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Toronto Bloodbath avoided

My biggest question here is whether or not he had registered these guns with the Liberal Gun Registry

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From today's Star: Shooting spree averted, police say Man's car packed with 6,000 rounds Wandering dog plays crucial role CHRISTIAN COTRONEO STAFF REPORTER A man drove from the Maritimes with a carload of guns and ammunition, vowing to kill as many people in Toronto as he could � before a last-minute encounter with a wandering dog inspired a change of heart. The New Brunswick man, in his 40s, surrendered to police yesterday afternoon in front of a supermarket at Leslie and Eastern Sts. He had a loaded gun in his pocket and a car crammed with more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition. "At that time, he decided he was going to shoot people in the area," said Detective Nick Ashley of 55 Division. "He attended a local park nearby and was preparing the weapons to do that." By chance, a dog approached the man and started playing with him in the Victoria Park Ave. and Queen St. E. park. "He happens to be a pet lover and decided that if there was such a nice dog in the area the people were too nice and he wasn't going to carry out his plan," Ashley said. His car, a red Subaru caked with mud, provided the testament. It was packed with doggie blankets, a big plastic dog dish still filled with dry kibble � and the biggest single arsenal Ashley had seen in his 17 years with the service. The car "was absolutely stuffed," he said. The man didn't have a dog in the car. Police said he had left his dog in New Brunswick. After visiting the park, the man, who police describe as mentally ill, drove around the city looking for a police officer. He found a young constable who has only been on the force for three years. Constable Fraser Douglas, 25, was responding to a shoplifting call in front of a Leslie St. supermarket on a sunny afternoon when a man drove up behind his cruiser and honked the horn. "He told me he was crazy and he needed to go to the hospital," the officer recalled. And, Douglas added, he had a loaded gun in his pocket. "He said, `I'm just going to drive around and kill people at random.'" Officers were tallying their cache last night at their Coxwell St. headquarters, counting carton after carton of bullets. The list included: a 12-gauge shotgun, a bolt action rifle with a telescopic lens, a 9-mm semiautomatic, a machete, throwing knife, camouflage ski mask, black leather gloves, and 6,296 rounds of ammunition. "He felt that if he shot enough people he would stay in custody permanently," Ashley said. "This could have been a very dangerous situation had his plan unfolded." "It's scary how close it could have been. We have a dog to thank somewhere." Investigators estimated the man would face at least six to eight "very serious" weapons charges. Because the guns were all legally registered to the suspect, the charges stem from transporting and storage.

This made me feel ill and relieved at the same time.

As you can see.. the registry is working well isnt it....

wow

Thank goodness for this outcome... I wonder if the dog was some kind of Divine intervention...

give the guy credit for at least turning himself in before actually doing anything though.

Gotta love dogs..

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Originally posted by Jayx1 As you can see.. the registry is working well isnt it....

Who the hell cares about the registry when you think of what almost happened?

Stop turning everything into a political issue.

i heard about this this morning. this is like 5 mins away from my house!!!

i wonder why he turned himself in tho, y not just go home

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Originally posted by Resnick i wonder why he turned himself in tho, y not just go home

Cause hes messed in the head. The dog took him back to reality.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 As you can see.. the registry is working well isnt it....

the registry is meant to REGISTER guns so that they can be tracked...not prevent instances like this from occuring...or are you advocating, instead of a registry, that all guns be banned in the country (and even that wouldn't necessarily prevent something like this from happening)? That things be left as is?

It's apparent you're anti-registry...so what's your stance on gun ownership "rights" and gun control? It's easy to sit back and be a critic...what's your solution?

for some quick background:

http://canadaonline.about.com/libra...s/bligunreg.htm

"The Canadian Police Association...says police officers use the database 2000 times a day and support the program."

That's pretty much enough for me to support SOME form of registry (albeit not this ridiculous money pit).

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Originally posted by Jayx1 give the guy credit for at least turning himself in before actually doing anything though.

Ummm, give him credit you say ? Yeah, ok...thanks fella, you done good for not going around killing random people...here's a cookie, now slip into this comfy jacket won't you, we have a room with padded walls all ready for you.

Sure i give him credit... at least he realized in time that he was sick and turned himself in. Im not taking away from the incident but come on! The alternatives would have been gruesome at best.

As for the gun registry, although i dont support firearms and i dont own one, its very true when they say that "criminals wont register guns". This fiasco is nothing but a waste of money.

"He happens to be a pet lover and decided that if there was such a nice dog in the area the people were too nice and he wasn't going to carry out his plan," Ashley said.

You're giving credit to this type of twisted logic then. The only reason the guy didn't begin his killing spree was because of the dog. Want to give credit, give it to the unknown forces that delivered
that dog to him... The guy is clearly insane, his actions are not credit worthy in my opinion. As a society we should either try to treat him, or put him in a safe place where he can't endanger us.

BTW. How come the Dogs name wasn't mentioned...fuggetabout the crazy dog lover, it's "Rover" who deserves the cookie for unknowingly averting a tragedy

I like dogs.

Its funny how the media is talking about the calming effect pets can have on people which altered his thinking but nobody is talking about whatever negative aspects may have altered his thinking to begin with. The latter is the most important if we are going to talk about this at all.

its very eerie...

I mean it is almost something out of a movie...Here's a guy armed to the teeth & along comes a lil doggie (awwwww) and starts playing with this guy...It almost seems like a divine intervention eh? ...I am also VERY relieved that he had "some" sense to come out of his dillusion & get help...

As for the gun registry...well it is a good idea but it was very badly managed obviously...It is a useful tool for the police in a sense that if you own a shotgun(s) for example and you store them properly in your house and then your house is broken into...And then they steal your gun(s) and use them in a crime in another part of the country then the police can locate where the gun came from & who owned them...Of course the weapon would have to be left behind at the crime scene though...ANyway if there is any way for the police to solve crimes where guns are used and the registry provides a clue to apprehending someone OR solving a crime then I think the gun registry should remain in place...

My 2 cents

Rob

The media is focusing on the positives from this incedent, which is a good thing in my opinion. I'm sure there will be people who examine his mental stability, and try to decipher the inner working that set him on the path it did. But is it really important for us to understand ? Focusing on him, is sensationalizing the story ( something I wouldn't be suprised to see US new media do ).

What reasons he might have had for going on a murderous rampage will probably surface in a few days under the guise of 'news' for all those who'd love to delve deeper into his twisted mind.

Personally, i'd rather read about the 'positive' effects animals have on us, then hear the thoughts of another deranged individual with a whole loada guns....

knowing that something like this can happen anytime, anywhere

we're all equally as unsafe as everyone else.. this corrupt world freaks me out

I couldnt agree more..

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Originally posted by Kytracid Personally, i'd rather read about the 'positive' effects animals have on us, then hear the thoughts of another deranged individual with a whole loada guns....

Amen to that

Man's best friend pulls thourgh again!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Its funny how the media is talking about the calming effect pets can have on people which altered his thinking but nobody is talking about whatever negative aspects may have altered his thinking to begin with. The latter is the most important if we are going to talk about this at all.

Quelle surprise...I disagree.
Any talk about what altered his thinking to begin with (you mean, to make him decide to drive to Toronto, right?) would be entirely speculation at this point. Kudos to the media for not indulging in speculation...so far.

He will be a good scientific textbook case thats for sure.

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