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Posted by malek on Jun-24-2004 22:01:

Question Penalty kicks in final tournaments

Who thinks the game should go on till a team wins by a goal difference. Like the new silver ball format of the game with no penalty kicks when there's a draw.


Posted by nettwerk on Jun-24-2004 22:08:

30 mins of extra time and penalties for me. No silver/golden goals, that's so sucky sucky.


Posted by chesco on Jun-24-2004 22:10:

I think it's a great end to any game. I was gutted in world cup 94, but it's the fairest way to end it.


Posted by mentalbarter on Jun-24-2004 22:31:

its the fairest way to do it
and theyre quite exciting too


Posted by dj_mdma on Jun-24-2004 22:42:

don't they have a different system in the US where its a 1 on 1 situation?

the outfield player has 20 seconds from the centre spot to take on the keeper one on one...

i think that would be farely interesting, and would give both players a chance to demonstrate their skill, after all penalties, from the keepers's point of view is mainly luck!


Posted by RenderedDream on Jun-24-2004 23:11:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_mdma
don't they have a different system in the US where its a 1 on 1 situation?

the outfield player has 20 seconds from the centre spot to take on the keeper one on one...

i think that would be farely interesting, and would give both players a chance to demonstrate their skill, after all penalties, from the keepers's point of view is mainly luck!


that's so cool! i've never seen that


Posted by nettwerk on Jun-24-2004 23:11:

US is gay


Posted by noikeee on Jun-24-2004 23:12:

after a victory in penalties i don't think it is the most appropriate time for me to praise the method

would like to see that US thing getting tested on a under-20 competition or so..


Posted by razmataz on Jun-25-2004 00:15:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_mdma
don't they have a different system in the US where its a 1 on 1 situation?

the outfield player has 20 seconds from the centre spot to take on the keeper one on one...

i think that would be farely interesting, and would give both players a chance to demonstrate their skill, after all penalties, from the keepers's point of view is mainly luck!


Yes I have seen that before, looks kind of weird since I am not used to it. There is a greater chance of missing I feel since its basically a 1 on 1. The conventional form favours the shooter.


Posted by malek on Jun-25-2004 02:27:

why not just let them play mini 15 minutes periods till there's a winner... aren't these athletes strong enough to do it?


Posted by Fundamental on Jun-25-2004 02:43:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
why not just let them play mini 15 minutes periods till there's a winner... aren't these athletes strong enough to do it?


But who knows how long that could go on! Matches need to be brought to an end for many a reason; penalties seem to be the ideal way.


Posted by malek on Jun-25-2004 02:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Fundamental
But who knows how long that could go on! Matches need to be brought to an end for many a reason; penalties seem to be the ideal way.


but why not!! its still more exciting that penalty kicks and people don't feel like getting screwed!!

They could remove 2 men per team to open up the game and make it more offensive, it wouldn't take long before a team wins over the other!


Posted by A.J. on Jun-25-2004 03:20:

Penalties are the fairest way....you win some, you lose some.

Take it from me. I support Italy and we have had our fair share of getting screwed by penalties.


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Jun-25-2004 09:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Vigilante
Penalties are the fairest way....you win some, you lose some.

Take it from me. I support Italy and we have had our fair share of getting screwed by penalties.


In England's case, you win one, lose four. In Holland's case...you always lose them. it's a crap way to finish a game. It's supposed to be a game of strategy, of play making and movement. To have it decided on spot kicks from 12 yards is just retarded. This is why I give props to the NHL, who just end a game in sudden death. It would probably be better to just REPLAY the game before deciding it on fucking penalties. But this isn't the first time somebody has bitched about stupid European rules, nor will it be the last. If any of you want football to survive, I suggest somebody shoot Sepp Blatter.


Posted by trewqy on Jun-25-2004 11:52:

Its tiring as hell to play 90 mins in an even game.Let alone 120 mins.

I play amateur footy(90mins) every saturday/sunday and it drains alot out of u.


Posted by sleepydragon on Jun-25-2004 11:59:

Theres prob not any better way of deciding it at the moment its alot better than the way it used to be decided they used to toss a coin in the middle of the pitch for the winner now thats stupid


Posted by sleepydragon on Jun-25-2004 12:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
In England's case, you win one, lose four. In Holland's case...you always lose them. it's a crap way to finish a game. It's supposed to be a game of strategy, of play making and movement. To have it decided on spot kicks from 12 yards is just retarded. This is why I give props to the NHL, who just end a game in sudden death. It would probably be better to just REPLAY the game before deciding it on fucking penalties. But this isn't the first time somebody has bitched about stupid European rules, nor will it be the last. If any of you want football to survive, I suggest somebody shoot Sepp Blatter.


yes but people keep saying penaltys r unfair but none of u can come up with a better solution so penaltys r here to stay


Posted by nettwerk on Jun-25-2004 12:05:

In the late 40's and 50's, playing until the winner was found was a common use, Benfica won a Latin Cup (don't ask) by that way, but it was needed 3 extra-times to score the goal, and some players couldn't run anymore. Now that wouldn't be possible, there's always the matter of TV's, and ��.


Posted by Hanki on Jun-25-2004 16:59:

Of course no!!! The penalty kicks are very interesting and exciting way of ending the game! Sometimes it's not fair, it's a big lottery, players must be well prepared mentally but it makes footbal much more entertaining!!! I remember the USA World Cup in 1994, final: Brazil - Italy and Baggio missing the shot: Brazil are champions. It's simply great, and You can see how much the one shot may change...


Posted by malek on Jun-26-2004 23:39:

after seeing the Holland-Sweden game, i think its necessary to end it thats why... worse, they should've skipped the game altogether and do penalty kicks... boredome at its best.


Posted by Tim81 on Jun-26-2004 23:44:

Haha, even Holland can beat its opponent by penalty's!! After losing in '92, '96, '98 and 2000 we have won by taking penalty's...

It wasn't a good game today, but that is not always important in a tournament like this!


Posted by Jantjeuh on Jun-26-2004 23:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Tim81
Haha, even Holland can beat its opponent by penalty's!! After losing in '92, '96, '98 and 2000 we have won by taking penalty's...


About f*cking time too

We finally got rid of our penalty-syndrome.. Playing better than the opponent the whole game but then losing by penalties


Posted by razmataz on Jun-26-2004 23:48:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
after seeing the Holland-Sweden game, i think its necessary to end it thats why... worse, they should've skipped the game altogether and do penalty kicks... boredome at its best.


What are you talking about? Did you watch the same game? 1st half was uneventful but the 2nd half and extra time was end to end stuff.

Anyways, penalties are the only way to do it. If you have ever played a 90 min game with 30 min extra time you will know why. And also, FIFA tried the sudden death overtime concept in 1995-1996 where the game would go on indefintiely until a team scored in numerous Asian club games. And well, it was a disaster. Some games lasted forever and players were dehydrated.


Posted by malek on Jun-26-2004 23:52:

quote:
Originally posted by razmataz
What are you talking about? Did you watch the same game? 1st half was uneventful but the 2nd half and extra time was end to end stuff.


of course there was some good shots here and there... but the overall play was broken and both teams had poor control over the ball with neither teams building and keeping pressure over the other team.

i'm not the only saying it was a boring game... agh.


Posted by noikeee on Jun-26-2004 23:54:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
of course there was some good shots here and there... but the overall play was broken and both teams had poor control over the ball with neither teams building and keeping pressure over the other team.

i'm not the only saying it was a boring game... agh.


i have to agree with you on this game, but the extra time was ok, exciting enough.


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