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I know djdawn posted a message about modifying your tech's for more pitch control. Being new at this I've noticed that you don't have a whole lot of pitch control -/+ 8 .. I have some tracks already that I can't match up. Close but not quite. They sound ok at the speed I'd like (listening to on on the computer at higher speeds and matched with other music it sounds great). Is this just something you have to get use to and know which records you can put in a mix together because they originally are too slow? Would you suggest I modify my tables to increase the pitch control? For example, Delerium - Innocente (Tiesto Mix), I love this track, but it's terribly slow for my liking, I like it sped up. at 33 it's too slow and 45 it's too fast. On my computer I can speed it upto 143bpm (or so) and it sounds great but with the vinyl and tables. I can't get that speed. What is it people do or how do they handle things like this?
You can remove the platter and adjust the pitch control, my friends do this b/c they spin hard house and they like it excessively fast. Unfortunately sometimes you just have to play a set at a speed thats acceptable to all your songs. I have a breaks track that I can just squeeze into my set @ about +7.8
Its all about tempo bro!
Peace.
yeah, you already found my post. I had the same problem you have. This is the only reason why I put bpm on every one of my records. Say I'm spinning at a club, one record has "137" written on it and is already at +7.5%. Now I KNOW that I don't have to take out a record that has "136" on it, try to match it, see it won't go fast enough, put it back and take out another one. This really saves me time.
As for modifying your techs, I would only do this if you feel confident about adjusting the pitch with a pitch slide that is more sensitive than it is now. As I said in the other post, if you move it an inch, it won't change 1 percent but almost 2.
It's your decision...
Altho my numarks have +-10% i still run in to the same problem time to time, especially when i spin a fast hardhouse set and want to play a housey but slow track. But when i notice it's too slow i just very GENTLY slow down the fast record (if you do it slow it's not really noticable) until it's "slow" enough for me to mix in the new slow track at like +9%.
Works for me!
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| Originally posted by djdawn yeah, you already found my post. I had the same problem you have. This is the only reason why I put bpm on every one of my records. Say I'm spinning at a club, one record has "137" written on it and is already at +7.5%. Now I KNOW that I don't have to take out a record that has "136" on it, try to match it, see it won't go fast enough, put it back and take out another one. This really saves me time. As for modifying your techs, I would only do this if you feel confident about adjusting the pitch with a pitch slide that is more sensitive than it is now. As I said in the other post, if you move it an inch, it won't change 1 percent but almost 2. It's your decision... |
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I reckon it's a pretty dangerous thing to do, changing the sensitivity. It's OK if you are DJing as a hobby, but if you want to spin in clubs, and you are used to your Techs at home with +/- 15% or whatever, you're going to be in all kinds of trouble when you get to the club and theirs only go to +/- 8%. It's got to be pretty difficult to switch between the two, if their sensitivity is so different.
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| Originally posted by DJTJ I reckon it's a pretty dangerous thing to do, changing the sensitivity. It's OK if you are DJing as a hobby, but if you want to spin in clubs, and you are used to your Techs at home with +/- 15% or whatever, you're going to be in all kinds of trouble when you get to the club and theirs only go to +/- 8%. It's got to be pretty difficult to switch between the two, if their sensitivity is so different. |
Going back to Delerium - Innocente (Tiesto Mix). It's roughly around 125bpm. Pretty damn slow, yet it sounds so great at like 140bpm, it sounds like it's being played to slow at it's normal BPM. Anyway, Tiesto plays this half way through his set at the 2nd Anniversay Club EAU. His set was at 140bpm, I'd like to know how he got Innocente to 140BPM? 33rpm +8% does not take it to 140, and 45rpm -8% is far above 140bpm. I'm assuming he was spinning on 1200's. Any possibilities you can think of as to how that was done?
He was probably using 3 decks.
Probably modified one beforehand or something?
Maybe he burnt himself a copy of the record speeded up or something, haha who knows.
sorry , been away for a while. Here's my thoughts.
First, I used a BPM counter program for counting the beats
Got it at www.download.com or something.
Your second question, I learned to mix on the adjusted Techs.
BUT, I really had to get used to the "normal" Techs when spinning somewhere else...but it is a lot easier to go from the very sensitive ones to the normal ones than the other way...
As for Tiesto spinning the track at 140. I'd say he probably used a CD, and either recorded it at higher speed or used a CD player with pitch >8%
Hello
This changing the pitch on the turntables sounds a bit dangerous to me...Can you change it back to your originla configeration? i mean how do you actually know that when you put it back that it is the original configuration? I don't think i will be modfying my dex when i get em...Well not at this point anyhow...Can't you guys just find records which get faster progressivly then you can match the faster ones with other faster ones....Or that just probably sounds dumb...Anyhow AnsweR AbovE...
Dangerous
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Nahhhh.
Sure you can always put it back. There is a knob that you turn to make the pitch go higher. Turn it back to where it was and you got the original configuration. Maybe your Techs will go to +8.1 then, but that shouldn't be a problem, cause they never run exactly the same at +8, even if you never touch the knob.
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| Originally posted by VoiDeT Hello TCan't you guys just find records which get faster progressivly then you can match the faster ones with other faster ones.... |
The words "wrong", "end" and "stick" come to mind, separated nicely by "of the".
He doesn't mean one song that gets faster as it progresses, he means play songs that have a faster tempo when they are set to pitch 0%, and gradually increase the BPM by increasing the pitch of the song while it is playing (then betmatching after you have done this, obviously).
Hey,
I don't know what you were thinking Pjotr G, you must of read my reply too fast...I mean't graduly play songs which are getting faster, like one record to another with faster bpms, i am glad DTDJ got me...
ow!!! heh
/me dumbass
yeah ya can speed up yer set that way of course
hehe it's cool man
when you get your dex new, is the pitch set at dead 0% and dead 8% and +8%, ????? ohh and when you tweak the pitch control, by changing it, when you get it to null percent is that dead 0??
In my black Technics SL-1210MK2 I turned the inside 'general' pitch control up to the limit turning clockwise. Then it acts from -6% up to +16%, more or less, one of them runs a bit quicker
The sensibility changes but if you're used to this one, I can't see why having -+8% would be difficult, the difficult is with the changed one
The pitch then is not linear, it acts as a exponential function, the pitch on the high speeds is much more sensible than on the lower ones.
Also, a new zero appears near the -1%, but the middle one still remains (the green light). So there are few speeds that the turntable can't reach, but that's no problem, 'cos U can speed up or down a bit the other table.
I know many clubs here in Catalonia which have their pitch changed (Scorpia, Xqu�, Chasis, ...) they all play what we call 'Makineta' it's a bit like hard-trance, that stuff on Tunnel Trance Force, and also a bit of Trance, although many people here call it 'Progressive' to everything 
With the correct screwdriver it's 30 seconds or less to change the general pitch, so I thinks it's possible that some dj's do it in the middle of a set if the tables are 'virgin'
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