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Canadian Election Thread! Too close to call.
Well, for those who are interested in the Canadian elections, feel free to comment. It could be an interesting evening, as this is the first time in a while where the Conservatives have a shot at power. I mean, how could you not vote for the party of Belinda Stronach?
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'Exquisite ambiguity' in Canada poll 27 June 2004 By Daniel Lak BBC News After a bruising five-week campaign, Canadians will be voting in a general election on Monday with little or no certainty about their next government. Mr Martin called early elections just months after taking office The country's two major political parties, the left-of-centre Liberals, and the more right-wing Conservatives, are neck-and-neck in every major opinion poll. As veteran political columnist John Ibbitson wrote recently in the Globe and Mail newspaper: "The people of Canada will elect an exquisitely ambiguous parliament. No-one will know for sure who will be prime minister." Or - perhaps more accurately - which of two men will be the head of government. The choices are the incumbent Paul Martin, a Liberal, and Stephen Harper of the Conservative Party of Canada. Waiting in the wings as potential kingmakers in a hung parliament are Jack Layton of the left-wing New Democrats, and Gilles Duceppe whose Bloc Quebecois works for the eventual separation of Quebec from the Canadian federation. Whether a hung parliament would lead to a minority government or a coalition is again uncertain. |
EVERYONE GO VOTE!!!!
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| Originally posted by imokruok Well, for those who are interested in the Canadian elections, feel free to comment. It could be an interesting evening, as this is the first time in a while where the Conservatives have a shot at power. I mean, how could you not vote for the party of Belinda Stronach? |
Damn shes pretty hot for a politician.
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| Originally posted by BadBadNeil Damn shes pretty hot for a politician. |
Re: Canadian Election Thread! Too close to call.
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| Originally posted by imokruok Well, for those who are interested in the Canadian elections, feel free to comment. It could be an interesting evening, as this is the first time in a while where the Conservatives have a shot at power. I mean, how could you not vote for the party of Belinda Stronach? |
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| Originally posted by imokruok |
I'd hit it! MOre pics please.
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| Originally posted by TranceGiant Is she Frank Stronach's daughter?? |
Bottom right pic brought her into perspective. Waht a set of hips on the old gal. Might hit her for god and country anywhow.
FYI to anyone who's interested. C-SPAN in the USA is going to start covering the Canadian elections at 9:30pm EST tonight. It should be an interesting evening. The Liberals are, unfortunately, doing slightly better than expected right now, but that has the potential to change very quickly as we come upon Quebec and Ontario.
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| Originally posted by imokruok FYI to anyone who's interested. C-SPAN in the USA is going to start covering the Canadian elections at 9:30pm EST tonight. It should be an interesting evening. The Liberals are, unfortunately, doing slightly better than expected right now, but that has the potential to change very quickly as we come upon Quebec and Ontario. |
As per the BBC article - the Liberals aren't left of center (only NDP and Greens are left of centre, and I'm not sure about the Bloc).
Thanks for the tip though; I'll probably watch on cspan.
Damn. Conservatives did well, the Bloc really kicked ass, but the Liberals will have enough to form a minority government...so says the CBC.
yep, forecasts called for a tight race of conservatives and liberals, but it doesnt look like it.
About
135 seats liberal
88 seats conservatives
so for sure a minority, but not enough to make it 154 for a majority government.
oh btw, for the original topic 
Stronach lost her riding 
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| Originally posted by Dmatrox oh btw, for the original topic Stronach lost her riding |
Good job, Canada - 5 more years of monotony.
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| Originally posted by imokruok Now there's absolutely no reason to be interested in Canadian politics. Good job, Canada - 5 more years of monotony. |
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| Originally posted by imokruok Now there's absolutely no reason to be interested in Canadian politics. Good job, Canada - 5 more years of monotony. |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/28/o...print&position= June 28, 2004 OP-ED COLUMNIST A Second Opinion By BOB HERBERT In an article a few years ago in The Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine took a look at the overall health of the American people, and compared conditions here to those in other industrialized countries. What she found was disturbing. "The fact is that the U.S. population does not have anywhere near the best health in the world," she wrote. "Of 13 countries in a recent comparison, the United States ranks an average of 12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators." She said the U.S. came in 13th, dead last, in terms of low birth weight percentages; 13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality over all; 13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes); 11th for life expectancy at the age of 1 for females and 12th for males; and 10th for life expectancy at the age of 15 for females and 12th for males. She noted in the article that more than 40 million Americans lacked health insurance (the figure is about 43 million now) and she described the state of Americans' health as "relatively poor." "U.S. children are particularly disadvantaged," she said, adding, "But even the relatively advantaged position of elderly persons in the United States is slipping. The U.S. relative position for life expectancy in the oldest age group was better in the 1980's than in the 1990's." The article was published in the summer of 2000. At the time Japan ranked highest among developed countries in terms of health, and the United States ranked among the lowest. Last week I talked with Dr. Starfield, an internationally respected physician, professor and researcher, and asked whether the situation had improved over the last four years. "It's getting worse," she said, noting, "We've done a lot more studies in terms of the international comparisons. We've done them a million different ways. The findings are so robust that I think they're probably incontrovertible." The U.S. has the most expensive health care system on the planet, but millions of Americans without access to care die from illnesses that could have been successfully treated if diagnosed in time. Poor people line up at emergency rooms for care that should be provided in a doctor's office or clinic. Each year tens of thousands of men, women and children die from medical errors and many more are maimed. But when you look for leadership on these issues, you find yourself staring into the void. If you want to get physicians' representatives excited, ask them about tort reform, not patient care. Elected officials give lip service to health care issues, but at the end of the campaign day their allegiance goes to the highest bidders, and they are never the people who put patients first. To get a sense of just how backward we're becoming on these matters, consider that in places like Texas, Florida and Mississippi the politicians are dreaming up new ways to remove the protective cloak of health coverage from children, the elderly and the poor. Texas and Florida have been pulling the plug on coverage for low-income kids. And Mississippi recently approved the deepest cut in Medicaid eligibility for senior citizens and the disabled that has ever been approved anywhere in the U.S. Even the affluent are finding it more difficult to obtain access to care. For patients with insurance the route to treatment is often a confusing maze of gatekeepers and maddening regulations. The costs of insurance are shifting from employers to employees, and important health decisions are increasingly being made by bureaucrats and pitchmen interested solely in profits. In the maddening din that passes for a national conversation in this country, distinguished voices like Dr. Starfield's are not easily heard. Echoing so many other patient advocates, she continues to call for movement on two crucial needs: coverage for the many millions who currently do not have access to care, and the development of a first-rate primary care system, which would bring a sense of coherence to a health care environment that is both chaotic and wildly expensive. "We don't have any national health policy at all in this country," said Dr. Starfield. And there is no sign of that changing anytime soon. |
Good news - looks like Stronach has pulled ahead and will win the riding.
As to healthcare, check out the poll on canada.com's front page.
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With the nation gearing up for Canada Day, what uniquely 'Canadian' aspect do you think is most worthy of celebration? 0.8% Universal healthcare 1.1% Cultural diversity 92.2% Hockey 5.6% Beer 0.3% Poutine |
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| Originally posted by imokruok Good news - looks like Stronach has pulled ahead and will win the riding. |
Well, this could be interesting. The Liberals and the NDP are one vote short of being able to form a government. They need to get the support of the one Independent (who is an ex-Conservative), or they need to bring the entire Bloc on board.
Talk about one man having all of the power...
Wouldn't the Greens support the Liberals and the NDP in forming a government?
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| Originally posted by imokruok Now there's absolutely no reason to be interested in Canadian politics. Good job, Canada - 5 more years of monotony. |
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| Originally posted by arctic Wouldn't the Greens support the Liberals and the NDP in forming a government? |
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See how easy it is to make silly generalizations? |
I suggested 5 more years monotony, because that's what they've had!
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| Originally posted by imokruok But my generalization wasn't silly. I suggested 5 more years monotony, because that's what they've had! |
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| Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew And its prononced Zed, no Z, ZED. |
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan You were making some very good points my friend about Canada up until this last statement which seemed pretty foolhardy, when you were talking such nice things about Canadians. Zee, Zed what difference does it make. Just felt the need to respond to that, all the other comments about Canada spot on, no complaints South of the border from me |
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