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Palestinians with guns?

Yesterday on the news, I saw some Palestinians protesters showing off their anger in response to some Israeli raid. It were the standard pictures with men shouting, wielding guns, with the camera placed just a couple of meters in front of them, and with impressed children at the periphery of the crowd.
Then I suddenly thought about the guns: Why do the protesters show off their guns with such passion, when they primarily use bombs as their striking weapons? Is it some kind of internal message to would-be collaborators? Or is it just something that extremist tradition prescribes?

I can understand why these people do nothing but stand in the street fighting all day,

They wake up in the morning to the sound of some lunatic singing his latest version of "I Love Allah" from some tower in the distance.
The wife is'nt putting out so they turn on the tv (It Has only one channel) to see some guy holding a piece of paper and roaring about western culture and death to everybody for any reason at all. And to top it all off, the cant even have a pint, or a "Wnk" without breaking one rule or another-- It's enough to drive anyone spare!
"Infidel"

I think guns are a show of power in any country. You see it in many marches of various countries armies. Also I believe I read that guns are cherished items in the middle east also including Pakistan and Iran where it is a sign of manhood. Also I'd say that a Kalashnikov (sp) rifle looks more fearsome on TV than a bag that holds some explosives.

The palestinians often use guns in raids in addition to their bombs but they have become less prevalent since security has been tightened. Recall the event a few months ago where they ambushed an Israeli pregnant woman and her children and shot them all 10+ times each in their car. They do quick raids on the settlements where they run in and run out.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Also I believe I read that guns are cherished items in the middle east also including Pakistan and Iran where it is a sign of manhood.

Hmmm... I don't know about that, where did you read this?

I will see if I can find it, was an article regarding Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and other countries in the middle east. I don't know if they mentioned palestine though, was only an attempt to explain the possible show of guns.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil I will see if I can find it, was an article regarding Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and other countries in the middle east. I don't know if they mentioned palestine though, was only an attempt to explain the possible show of guns.

And you did nicely - that's the second time you've tried to explain me something I've asked.

About this one, though:

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Also I'd say that a Kalashnikov (sp) rifle looks more fearsome on TV than a bag that holds some explosives.

To me they look ridiculous, just like when protesters stomp on burning flags, it reeks of the kind of intelligence which cannot outsmart the average border patrol.
But assume that you are right: What people who watch TV are they trying to scare? Are you as an American scared of them? Perhaps some Israeli on the board can tell if his scared?!? A non-violent Palestinian?

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Originally posted by trancaholic And you did nicely - that's the second time you've tried to explain me something I've asked.

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About this one, though: To me they look ridiculous, just like when protesters stomp on burning flags, it reeks of the kind of intelligence which cannot outsmart the average border patrol. But assume that you are right: What people who watch TV are they trying to scare? Are you as an American scared of them? Perhaps some Israeli on the board can tell if his scared?!? A non-violent Palestinian?

They look quite rediculous to me as well and putting a gun in a child's hand doesn't make me scared, it makes me feel sorry for the children there. I doubt American's are scared, most people I know find it amusing that they have to parade in the streets with bags over their heads with guns pretending to be an army and if they want to waste their food money on flags to burn thats fine with me

As for who's scared, well thats hard for me to tell since I don't live anywhere but here, but I'm assuming they are trying to scare the Israelis because they go on tv dressed like suicide bombers waving guns chanting death to Israel and proclaiming they will kill every infadel. I'd like to hear from an Israeli if they are scared as well, but I'm assuming they probably aren't. From what I've seen Israelis try to live a normal life as possible.

As for that article well i couldn't find it but I found one similar,
with a quote that goes "traditions in the Middle East associate
guns with positive values such as masculinity, pride, honour and manhood.".

Here is the link if you feel like a read.
http://www.iansa.org/documents/chd/..._feb2004_en.pdf

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil I will see if I can find it, was an article regarding Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and other countries in the middle east. I don't know if they mentioned palestine though, was only an attempt to explain the possible show of guns.

Just to clarify, only 1 of the countries you named is in the Middle East - Iran. And none of the countries you named are Arab.

However, your point still stands. Guns are symbols of power and manhood there as well as in many other places in the world(including USA) where violence is (relatively)common.

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Originally posted by Superstar Hmmm... I don't know about that, where did you read this?

I think he was confusing Iran and Pakistan with America!

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil As for that article well i couldn't find it but I found one similar, with a quote that goes "traditions in the Middle East associate guns with positive values such as masculinity, pride, honour and manhood.". Here is the link if you feel like a read. http://www.iansa.org/documents/chd/..._feb2004_en.pdf

It's interesting that they would say that, because I don't know a single Iranian who owns firearms, and I have never seen guns being fired at weddings. But I should also say that I'm talking about Tehran only, where people are well educated and have decent standards of living (compared to the rest of the country).

it's not a HARD concept to GRASP, that a gun is an extension of the penis no matter where your from.

BTW i own a couple med. caliber rifles.

I gues deer rifles count, so I got a couple too and a shotgun. The palestinians must think they're manly men by showing off their guns to the world. The Israelis can point at the pics as more justification for their attacks. BTW the manly men just dug a tunnel under and Israeli checkpoint and starting shooting at first aid recovery teams afterwards. What a bunch of manly men.

what a stupid topic sorry...

those guns ARE used alot. you hear on your news only about big suicide attacks with high death rates.

You are not allowed to own guns in Pakistan except the Northern Tribal ruled area, which is hardly Pakistan; basically no Police or Army has ever had permission to enter there. And I suppose ridiculing someone faith makes you feel big. If you didn�t know saying I love �Allah� is the same thing as saying I love �God'... in Arabic. Do you find that disturbing? I didn�t read that link you pasted about firing of guns to represent manhood as you claim(bs), is that written by someone other than a Middle-Eastern person? It�s just to celebrate something nothing else not to scare you... why would you think that unless you are getting scared.lol

Radical Muslims are common fools. That's why they would behead people of their own faith which they're likely to do with the latest Pakistani and Marine captives. Most Muslims don't go around toting weapons and proclaiming "War in the Name of God" which is the normal abbreviation of their radical sects. Unfortunately there are enought of them that do so and attack their own kind and US personnel or Israelis in the case of palestine that we can't just ignore them. We normally have to kill them because normal society cannot tolerate their militaristic and barbaric beliefs.

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Originally posted by hausmusic You are not allowed to own guns in Pakistan except the Northern Tribal ruled area, which is hardly Pakistan; basically no Police or Army has ever had permission to enter there. And I suppose ridiculing someone faith makes you feel big. If you didn�t know saying I love �Allah� is the same thing as saying I love �God'... in Arabic. Do you find that disturbing? I didn�t read that link you pasted about firing of guns to represent manhood as you claim(bs), is that written by someone other than a Middle-Eastern person? It�s just to celebrate something nothing else not to scare you... why would you think that unless you are getting scared.lol

Here is why it's not a celebration its a show of force in the case of palestinians, why else would you dress a baby up as a terrorist bomber and put a plastic machine gun in his arms? Its to show the Israelis that there is a new wave of terrorists coming who are children now and to make them scared, not so the babies can celebrate. I'm sure they do celebrate by firing guns but those marches seen on tv are protests and hate marches against israelis, hardly celebrations.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Here is why it's not a celebration its a show of force in the case of palestinians, why else would you dress a baby up as a terrorist bomber and put a plastic machine gun in his arms? Its to show the Israelis that there is a new wave of terrorists coming who are children now and to make them scared, not so the babies can celebrate. I'm sure they do celebrate by firing guns but those marches seen on tv are protests and hate marches against israelis, hardly celebrations.

Agree and think it's pretty f*cking sorry they normally send women and teenagers to do their suicidal attacks. The militants are a sick group overall and need to be eradicated for society's sake, for peace sakes, and for the sake of women and children they brainwash to throw into the fray. F*cked up radicals toting guns around kids only spawn new generations of the same.

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Originally posted by Flotser what a stupid topic sorry...

Why is it stupid to seek clarification of things that you find strange? Is it as stupid as posting endless propaganda?

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Originally posted by Flotser those guns ARE used alot. you hear on your news only about big suicide attacks with high death rates.

Who are they shooting at? Civilians? Do you, as an Israeli, get scared when you see such protest marches?

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Originally posted by trancaholic Why is it stupid to seek clarification of things that you find strange? Is it as stupid as posting endless propaganda?

i'm sorry if what i said sounded bad :\
(but i gotta use that word again sorry)
i meant thats its stupid to think that the fact the palestinians show guns on protests is a strange fact. its not strange, bacause they use those guns alot.
and did you mean that my posts here are an endless propaganda?
(i hope not )

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Who are they shooting at? Civilians? Do you, as an Israeli, get scared when you see such protest marches?

yes they shoot at cevillians & at soldiers.
there were countless occations when palestinians were shooting on cevillian cars passing by. i guess you dont hear of those because its not considered "striking news" like suicide bombing attack.
also there were other tragic occasionts, in which for example a palestinian militant entered a settelent or an israeli village near the west bank border, entered a house and killed a whole family.

am i afraid when i see the protests?.... i am, i have some close friends friends who soon will spend most of their service inside the wesk bank & gaza. but what i'm afraid the most when i see those protests is not the guns, nor the bombs but rather - the hate and craziness in those people's eyes.

Radical Christians kill doctors in the name of religion. Radical jews & muslims kill each other wer all aware of that. Don't try to imply that all people carrying weapons in Palistine are extreamists. They dont have an Army what else are they going to do when someone comes and bulldoses their house down. You see Jews protest against this as well! You know something's not right when people of Isreal(including Jews) are protesting against their own!!! Talk about propaganada. If you want to give your opinion try and at least take a look at the opposition's view before you come down on Muslims. Its like your saying innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of Isreali and Palistinian gun battles dont have a right to be upset with the people who are comming on THEIR land and killing THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. I'm not saying it might not happen in Isreal as well i'm just saying its innocent loss of life is clearly in Larger numbers in Palistaine if you dont believe me look at EVERY SINGLE research ever done by a reputable World Wide Organasation (red cross, amnisty.. human rights groups .. etc etc..)

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