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ok well i've been practicing on beatmatching. i figured out dat u put it on a set pitch on both sides. and when u want to beatmatch u move the pitch slider down abit. (btw i have dual cd players connected to a mixer). after i move the pitch slider down, it matches the beats.

(i listen by ear, i dont use any bpm counter)

So here's my question. After I move the slider and matches the beats, they beats get out of place again. is wat do i do to match them again or to keep them matched?

A good answer instead of flames/dumb comments would be nice. If you got any other ways of beatmatching please share.


Thanks in advance,

RJ

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Re: beatmatching

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Originally posted by R.j. So here's my question. After I move the slider and matches the beats, they beats get out of place again. is wat do i do to match them again or to keep them matched?

All right, first of all, you are not really beatmatching. Right now all you are doing is lining up the beats. Beatmatching takes a lot more than just that. When the beats are lined up, then move the pitch slider faster or slower.... If the incoming record is slower than the one playing, speed it up. If the incoming record is faster than the one playing, slow it down. Re-align the beats. Keep doing this until the beats are in sync for a continuous minute or so. After a while, you won't keep having to align the beats because you will know almost exactly where to put the slider right when you put on the incoming track. From then on out it will be little adjustments (which are in your case done using the pitch bend to "push" the cd faster or "slow" the cd down).

Hope that helps.

Re: Re: beatmatching

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Originally posted by Dirk W. All right, first of all, you are not really beatmatching. Right now all you are doing is lining up the beats. Beatmatching takes a lot more than just that. When the beats are lined up, then move the pitch slider faster or slower.... If the incoming record is slower than the one playing, speed it up. If the incoming record is faster than the one playing, slow it down. Re-align the beats. Keep doing this until the beats are in sync for a continuous minute or so. After a while, you won't keep having to align the beats because you will know almost exactly where to put the slider right when you put on the incoming track. From then on out it will be little adjustments (which are in your case done using the pitch bend to "push" the cd faster or "slow" the cd down). Hope that helps.

that my fellow ta's is an answer!

any more suggestions/tips would be nice

you have to understand how the tracks are made up. say you have a track like this:

kick....kick....kick....kick....

you have that playing. you want to mix another one on top of it. only the other track could be like this:

kick.....kick.....kick.....kick.....

or like this:

kick...kick...kick...kick...

now, you must use the pitch slider to make the track you want to mix go at the same speed as the one that is playing. in other words, you make it so there is the same amount of space, or time, if you will, between kicks. so in simplification, you should get the second track to be as the first:

kick....kick....kick....kick....

then, you line up the beats as you have been doing, and the tracks will be matched. trust me, it's not as easy as it sounds, but with practice you will be able to do it second nature. in theory it's very very simple, in practice, not as much.

the easiest way to learn is to pitch the records as close as you can by just listening, then line up the beats, while still monitoring, use your pitch bend to make corrections, and move your pitch slider accordingly, till both are in a position where no corrections are need.

ps. this won't apply to breakbeat tracks, since they don't just use kicks. for those, it's a bit different, but that's a whole other ballgame.

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Originally posted by Inertia kick....kick....kick....kick.... you have that playing. you want to mix another one on top of it. only the other track could be like this: kick.....kick.....kick.....kick..... or like this: kick...kick...kick...kick... now, you must use the pitch slider to make the track you want to mix go at the same speed as the one that is playing. in other words, you make it so there is the same amount of space, or time, if you will, between kicks. so in simplification, you should get the second track to be as the first: kick....kick....kick....kick....

hahaahaahah i love this post! a very creative way to use '...' to denote the speed of a track.

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Originally posted by razzi hahaahaahah i love this post! a very creative way to use '...' to denote the speed of a track.

i actually had a friend who printed something very similar to that out, and keeps it in the drawer of the table where his decks are on. whenever someone new goes to his place and wants to learn to spin he gives them the paper first, before saying anything

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Originally posted by razzi hahaahaahah i love this post! a very creative way to use '...' to denote the speed of a track.

^ agreed. very nice indeed!

small tip:

Try beatmatching with two tracks that sound very different and leave both channels wide open. You will know when they are matched and when not easily. Then after a few days or weeks go back to headset monitoring and it will be easier....

thank you every1

Hey wats up everyone i'm a newbie at mixing and i learned that with most tracks i find it easier to match the beats by cutting off the lows on the mixer and listen to the highs and mids...using the high hat and snare drum as my guide...by first matching with one ear in the phones and another out then listening to both channels together to ensure the match is complete.....

I don't know if its easier, but it is definitely more fine tuned.

Practice...pratice...practice....


Did I mention practice???

If you do it enough times, you will be able to differentiate two basslines audibly and differentiate their bpms. Which will help you to adjust the bassline of an incoming track.

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Originally posted by S1Spawn Hey wats up everyone i'm a newbie at mixing and i learned that with most tracks i find it easier to match the beats by cutting off the lows on the mixer and listen to the highs and mids...using the high hat and snare drum as my guide...by first matching with one ear in the phones and another out then listening to both channels together to ensure the match is complete.....

i find this does sometimes help. i find it does vary from track to track though..

unfortunatly i was forced to do it like that with my old mixer for over 6 months (gah, beatmatching some of my techno records was very hard) as the cue signal fucked up and cut out all the bass :/

re: 3xx3r7's post, i would never, ever ever, ever consider beatmatching with a bassline. if what you meant was the kick, then yeah fair enough, but using any synth line (the word bassline refers to the bass notes in a tune) to beatmatch is plain idiocy when there is something with a much easier structured tempo going on under it, i.e. a beat.

but yeah, beatmatching is all down to practise

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Originally posted by tu_face i find this does sometimes help. i find it does vary from track to track though.. unfortunatly i was forced to do it like that with my old mixer for over 6 months (gah, beatmatching some of my techno records was very hard) as the cue signal fucked up and cut out all the bass :/ re: 3xx3r7's post, i would never, ever ever, ever consider beatmatching with a bassline. if what you meant was the kick, then yeah fair enough, but using any synth line (the word bassline refers to the bass notes in a tune) to beatmatch is plain idiocy when there is something with a much easier structured tempo going on under it, i.e. a beat. but yeah, beatmatching is all down to practise

I totaly agree u can't do that with all tracks.......and your right ....practice...practice...practice.....Its always important to listen to the song as u mix it not hear it...u have to concentrate...

I remember when I first started, I wanted to throw my equipment out of the window!
If anything, sounds silly but concentrate and focus on the kicks first, imagine the kicks in your head. Your mind will know the beat even though you think you don't. If anything else fail use the Force!

i've been practicing since january on and off. the most i'f had without practice has been a week at most, but im getting to the point where beatmixing is almost second nature. it really hard and confusing at first bbut you'll get used to it. i still have trouble fine tuning the records cause some have to be pitched 100% accuracy and i have trouble with those. not i gotta work on not touching the record while changing pitch.

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Originally posted by tu_face i find this does sometimes help. i find it does vary from track to track though.. unfortunatly i was forced to do it like that with my old mixer for over 6 months (gah, beatmatching some of my techno records was very hard) as the cue signal fucked up and cut out all the bass :/ re: 3xx3r7's post, i would never, ever ever, ever consider beatmatching with a bassline. if what you meant was the kick, then yeah fair enough, but using any synth line (the word bassline refers to the bass notes in a tune) to beatmatch is plain idiocy when there is something with a much easier structured tempo going on under it, i.e. a beat. but yeah, beatmatching is all down to practise

Sorry I meant kicks. I am not good with terminology.

You could also try getting 2 of the same vinyl and playing both at the same time. Start with both at 0 pitch and get the beats aligned and you will hear what it sounds like when the beats are beatmatched.

Re: Re: beatmatching

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Originally posted by Dirk W. All right, first of all, you are not really beatmatching. Right now all you are doing is lining up the beats. Beatmatching takes a lot more than just that. When the beats are lined up, then move the pitch slider faster or slower.... If the incoming record is slower than the one playing, speed it up. If the incoming record is faster than the one playing, slow it down. Re-align the beats. Keep doing this until the beats are in sync for a continuous minute or so. After a while, you won't keep having to align the beats because you will know almost exactly where to put the slider right when you put on the incoming track. From then on out it will be little adjustments (which are in your case done using the pitch bend to "push" the cd faster or "slow" the cd down). Hope that helps.

been practicing with this answer, and it works for only practicing for about a month, i can do 'so-so' beat matching, thnx!

theirs a good book out their that teaches you everything about beatmatchin and harmonics, i think its called "how to dj properly" 4get who its by but theirs also a version of it out printed by point blank which is a condensed version of it but still gives you the basics

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