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cueing on allen-heath vs pioneer djm

i had seen someone wrote a post a couple weeks ago and mentioned he and a couple friends tried a 62 and djm 600 and they thought the cue on the 600 was alot easiar to hear the beats connect.....i had a Pioneer 3000 and now have a xone 92......i also think it was alot easiar to spin on the pioneer....

here is the post:

The Post



anyone have have any thoughts on this??? or experience the same thing?

I have neither a Xone 62 nor a DJM600, but I have the Xone32.

I think the Cue system is the same for the Xones, but Im not exactly sure.

My buddy has the Vestax PMC05-promk2 and I have a American DJ Q2422. I would use his at his house and mines at my house. I was more used to cueing useing a cue-fader(Vestax), as that is what I used when I used to do dj regularly and do shows. Transitioning from Vestax to American DJ was not that big a deal.

When I had transitioned to the Xone 32 and cue'd records up/beatmatched, I do remember that it was slightly more difficult to beat match. I was really used to hearing both channels in both earphones really loud.

It wasn't extremely difficult to make the transition to the new mixer, but an adjustment period of about 1 week did occur.

I am totally comfortable with the Xone 32 cue system now. When I go back to my friends house to mix on his rig, I try to emulate the volume and cueing conditions that my Xone 32 gives me in my earphones.

From adjusting to the cue system on the Xone 32 , my ears don't tire as fast and I can mix for a longer period of time.

On the Xone 32, I can hear EQ changes when my cue selector is set to the middle between CUE and MASTER. When I DJ, I pretty much keep the CUE selector set to the middle.

It used to be hard for me to use a mixer that has a different CUE system than the vestax, but ever since I learned the Xone 32, its far easier for me to adjust to mixers that I haven't used before.

see i know the post ur talking about, and im just about set on a xone 92, and i kinda dismissed the post cuz the guy was talkin about the 62 cuz its not quite the 92, but now ur saying practically the same thing... could a djm600 really be a better mixer than a xone 62 or 92? wats even weirder about that post pissin on the xone 62 compared to the djm600 is that theres no one defending the xone 62 in that post, and i know that guy dj jade who posts alot has one (i saw his set up pic, real nice)

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Originally posted by ESMdjm600 see i know the post ur talking about, and im just about set on a xone 92, and i kinda dismissed the post cuz the guy was talkin about the 62 cuz its not quite the 92, but now ur saying practically the same thing... could a djm600 really be a better mixer than a xone 62 or 92? wats even weirder about that post pissin on the xone 62 compared to the djm600 is that theres no one defending the xone 62 in that post, and i know that guy dj jade who posts alot has one (i saw his set up pic, real nice)

My friend is gonna be kind enough to lend me a 600 and i will tell u in a week what i come up with...as far as 92 vs 600.


he has also just got a 92 and he doesn't see any difference in the cueing.....but its been only one day....we'll see

i'm a mixer freak as it is....at this point i almost owned them all...except for the 600 so i have to try now....quite honestly i hink the 92 is overrated and i own one.(i had both the knob and the slide)

i love the djm600, but i was kinda lookin forward to havin somethin different like the 92.... ur post in a week or so mite be wat swings me

that was my original post. I've had my Pioneer 600 since the day after posting that, and I am 100% happy with it. Honestly, I think that a lot of people like to bandwagon when it comes to DJ equipment...eithet sweating the hell out of a mixer because of the name of it, or not buying a TT because its not made by Technics. I knew I wasn't going crazy about the headphone output quality because I had two friends come to the same conclusion about it...and obviously some of you guys have had similar experiences.
IDK, if you're thinking about buying a new mixer, I'd really search around and try mixers out before buying the one with the 'best' name. A lot of people seem to have issues with Pioneer mixers...I can't complain about mine in the slightest.

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Originally posted by djtrinity ....quite honestly i hink the 92 is overrated and i own one.(i had both the knob and the slide)

lol, glad to hear. j/k

do u think the problems with hearing u had on the cueing was cuz of how the eq knobs only go up to +6? Oh and trinity i was lookin around and i saw u talking in a post about how u got rid of a djm 3000 after a couple of weeks and im pretty sure thats the same as the 600 only with certain differences here and there.... As for zizack I deffinitely agree with ur whole bandwagon theory.... maybe i should go empath after all

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Originally posted by ESMdjm600 do u think the problems with hearing u had on the cueing was cuz of how the eq knobs only go up to +6? Oh and trinity i was lookin around and i saw u talking in a post about how u got rid of a djm 3000 after a couple of weeks and im pretty sure thats the same as the 600 only with certain differences here and there.... As for zizack I deffinitely agree with ur whole bandwagon theory.... maybe i should go empath after all

i think the cueing issue is , just my opinion, that the addition low mid eq may make the kick a lil 'muddled' thus less clear to hear...just my theory....

yeah i had a 3000....i heard the 600 has better sound quality and may be built a lil better..who knows thou..what i have learned over the years is u have to try it for your self....i'll try it then i'll know

yea i noticed a lot of people love the idea of that 2nd mid, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.... lol im really surprised at how uve tried all these different mixers including a urei and uve never used a djm600

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Originally posted by ESMdjm600 yea i noticed a lot of people love the idea of that 2nd mid, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.... lol im really surprised at how uve tried all these different mixers including a urei and uve never used a djm600

my own narrow mindedness!!!

Which mixer has been your favorite so far Trinity?

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Originally posted by Psiweaver Which mixer has been your favorite so far Trinity?

hmmmm....i used the vestax pmc 46 mk2 for a loooooooooong time....i would buy mixers sell them and go back to the 46......the urei really sounds incredible.....but it was hard for me to play on...

right know the best value for the money is the vestax pmc 46 mk2 they go for about 649 USD brand new...very solid build, sound quality is ok..mad amount of inputs and output great aux/sends returns....i might just have to go back 2 it.....

but i keep thinking there could be something better for me.....i'm not finding it thou

hey just wondering trinity why you go through so many mixers???

I could see that you have gotten your hands on some great mixers, including what many ppl call perhaps the greatest sounding mixer ever.. the Urei. Also surprised that you werent too impressed with the Xone that you had/have.

What quality in the mixer are you looking for... sound quality? features? or combination?

I use a Rane Mojo mm8z mixer and i can say it feels comfortable to mix with. I mean.. nothing flashy in terms of the setup.. no fx built in. But the knobs and faders feel smooth, accurate, and the sound quality is warm, accurate and flat. Cue sys on it is ok i guess, but i main use one ear monitoring when i use it. It doesnt have split cue on it and i can hear all eq changes through cue or when i rotate it to master. 4 inputs 4 phono, total of three output, including a loop TSR out for hooking up FX unit, which i use sometimes. Also, has two mic outs w eq. Overall solid mixer imo.

I guess when you are used the mixer, you dont appreciate it much. Though when i use other setups or mixers, then im like man "this feels cheap". Usually happens with mixers such as Stanton, Numark, even a vestax once. They just feel too flimsey
Ive always wanted to get my hands on Urei though... heard many great things about it.

My thing with mixers is more sound quality, besides obviously the feel of it. I hate mixers that color up the sound with frequencies that arent there, if you know what i mean.


Rick

I'll second the Vestax PMC 46MK2

Quality mixer... the knobs have just the right amount of resistance, the analog meters are pimp.

Didn't care for the lack of midrange EQ adjustment, though it is possible to boost it by cutting the bass & treble then raising the gain, and lowering it the opposite way - a bit too much fiddling for my likes. And well... I'm a sucker for aesthetics, and it's just a bit too flashy for me in that gold/champagne.

I think DJ Tranz had said something about having problems finding replacement parts, etc.

I like it though... I'd also love to spend a few hours on a PMC-37.

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Originally posted by bachatu hey just wondering trinity why you go through so many mixers??? I could see that you have gotten your hands on some great mixers, including what many ppl call perhaps the greatest sounding mixer ever.. the Urei. Also surprised that you werent too impressed with the Xone that you had/have. What quality in the mixer are you looking for... sound quality? features? or combination? I use a Rane Mojo mm8z mixer and i can say it feels comfortable to mix with. I mean.. nothing flashy in terms of the setup.. no fx built in. But the knobs and faders feel smooth, accurate, and the sound quality is warm, accurate and flat. Cue sys on it is ok i guess, but i main use one ear monitoring when i use it. It doesnt have split cue on it and i can hear all eq changes through cue or when i rotate it to master. 4 inputs 4 phono, total of three output, including a loop TSR out for hooking up FX unit, which i use sometimes. Also, has two mic outs w eq. Overall solid mixer imo. I guess when you are used the mixer, you dont appreciate it much. Though when i use other setups or mixers, then im like man "this feels cheap". Usually happens with mixers such as Stanton, Numark, even a vestax once. They just feel too flimsey Ive always wanted to get my hands on Urei though... heard many great things about it. My thing with mixers is more sound quality, besides obviously the feel of it. I hate mixers that color up the sound with frequencies that arent there, if you know what i mean. Rick

what i'm looking for is the best mixer for the money.....i don't mind pay'n top dollar if it worth it....the xone 92 i paid 1400.....is it worth it to me????????not really......the only rane i ever owned was the 2016 with eq mod and it was made well i just wasn't happy with the sound outta it....IMO it was very punchy sounding....it lacked low end or 'balls'....like i said it was constucted well...solid....i sorta judged rane after that so i didn't want to try anything else from them but i think maybe i should.....i like there builds....
so does rane make a 4 channnel,adjustable crossfader mixer some can reccomend?

hi djtrinity

im not sure about cueing
but i started to mix and it wasn't so hard to pick up?

both mixers was ok.

btw: i also like the post EQ use it all the time. its good that thing.

happy with the xone 92.

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Originally posted by djtrinity what i'm looking for is the best mixer for the money.....i don't mind pay'n top dollar if it worth it....the xone 92 i paid 1400.....is it worth it to me????????not really......the only rane i ever owned was the 2016 with eq mod and it was made well i just wasn't happy with the sound outta it....IMO it was very punchy sounding....it lacked low end or 'balls'....like i said it was constucted well...solid....i sorta judged rane after that so i didn't want to try anything else from them but i think maybe i should.....i like there builds.... so does rane make a 4 channnel,adjustable crossfader mixer some can reccomend?

ON the rane... yeah man,, that 2016 is prob their best sounding mixer out there right now. If you thought that one lacks balls, you prob wont be satisfied with the others. Yeah, rane mixers have very solid built and tend to feel like tanks ... which is a good thing in my book. Though mixers like the 2016 sound quality are mostly noticed in a big sound systems.

Well... i like my Mojo MM8z.. you can pick one of those up for like $700.. certainly worth the money. 4 channel, eq on each channel and curve on crossfader. My only gripes wtih the thing to be completely honest is that the eq only has -/+15db for bass & trebel and -/+8db for mids, no kills switches
The empath is a three channel...
The Rane MP44 looks to be right up there with the 2016, but without the rotary knobs. Actually, its an older mixer then the 2016, so it may indeed sound different. This is actually their true flagship model.... When i was buying my mixer i spoke to a guy that happened to be trading in some gear and restocking on new mixers. He owned his own mobile DJ business. ANd he was telling me to get the MP44...He was saying that he used that for years and he had used other models, but that he preferred the MP44 for feature quality, built, reliability and sound quality. Though it was more than what i wanted to spend, otherwise i may have picked it up.
That one does offer complete kill frequency for each channel eq (which is my only gripes with the mm8z) plus many other features. Price runs about 1400

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