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Posted by DJ_Ampz on Jul-01-2004 21:01:

Fliers

Anyone what to Design a Flier for my 200th show? Ill be handing out at WEMF

Or if now, where can I go for the best deal. Looking of like 1000 or so.

Ampz

Posted by DJ_Elyot on Jul-01-2004 21:16:

For printing... try www.kinkos.com or various other places... there's lots of places that will do it for you and you can specify various things (ex you could make 2 per page and ask for cutting, etc)

PM me if you want me to photoshop a flier for you.

Posted by LKD on Jul-01-2004 22:38:

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
For printing... try www.kinkos.com or various other places... there's lots of places that will do it for you and you can specify various things (ex you could make 2 per page and ask for cutting, etc)

PM me if you want me to photoshop a flier for you.

hahahaha kinkos...ahahhahahahahahha

there are special fyer printing stores in TO that will do it for a decent price..but of course TO is too far from wher eu at...so i dunno

Posted by LKD on Jul-01-2004 22:40:

oh and u may want to look for fine print on flyers of events that u may have picked up for contacts of printers...

i picked up this one system flyer just now and i see.. www.kmgdigital.com...

Posted by DJ_Elyot on Jul-02-2004 01:42:

Well kinko's is the only place I can think of in KW area... it's in University plaza just east of U of W... you just bring ur file on disk or CD and print it right there.

Posted by Izra on Jul-02-2004 14:04:

AHHHHH photoshop is for photos !!!! Adobe illustrator is for flyers.....

Posted by DJ_Elyot on Jul-02-2004 18:19:

meh... 1/2 of the shit is the same in both programs. what makes illustrator so much better for flyers?

Posted by Izra on Jul-02-2004 19:21:

A poster designed in photoshop is a bitmap graphic. A bitmap graphic is made up of pixels, or dots, that make up the image. It is fine for printing the document in its original size, but if you want to make it larger, bitmapping will occur, which looks like this :

A poster made in illustrator is a vector graphic, which is made up of lines. You can alter its size and the poster will look exactly the same no matter how large or small you make it. Illustrators tools also are much easier for making posters/flyers...

Basically a vector graphic file gives you more versitilty then bitmap graphic file. You can do more with it. A posted done in vector format will be high quality when printed as well.

You can get sneaky in photoshop and turn a bitmap grahpic into a vector graphic, this will occur:

I tried to explain it in the simplest terms as possible ! Hopefully you get what I am trying to say....

Posted by rabbitjoker on Jul-02-2004 19:25:

quote:
Originally posted by PartEgurl
I tried to explain it in the simplest terms as possible ! Hopefully you get what I am trying to say....

I have no idea what you're talking about...

huh? wha?

ok.

Posted by Izra on Jul-02-2004 19:28:

My sarcastic meter is broken at the moment, do u get it or what?? Hehe your a smartie pants RJ, just read 'er again....

Posted by exergo on Jul-02-2004 20:55:

you know your shit^

illustrator is soooo much easier to do text with...and much better when working in cmyk. it is also a layout tool, so perfect for flyers.

thats what i use for all of my designs
http://www.81flavours.com/GRAPHICS/HTML/main.htm

obviously you can use photoshop to make backgrounds, addjust dj images, add outer glows, etc, but when ya do the actual design, it should be done in a vector program such as illustrator.

if you were to print 4pt text in photoshop, it would be fuzzy and not legible, but in vector art it would be clear and crisp...

but honestly, for a rave flyer, it doesn't really matter, and designers are probably to only ones that can tell the differnce, plus it takes some expertise to be able to properly set up vector files for printing..whatever

Posted by DJ_Ampz on Jul-02-2004 20:56:

now now children, no fighting. Anywhere in TO you suggest I drop in? Im wondering all day tomorrow

Ampz

Posted by DJ_Ampz on Jul-02-2004 20:59:

exergo: Wow, your stuff looks mint!

Ampz

Posted by Izra on Jul-02-2004 21:22:

Very nice work exergo !! I really dig your designs.....

I agree, you can get by with photoshop, but just the switch from photoshop to illustrator can make a big difference in the capabilities of the designer....

It is probably the graphic designer in me talking, in school we had it driven into our heads about the bitmap/vector rules... and I was only in the program for a year !! lol

Posted by DJ_Elyot on Jul-03-2004 03:29:

That was actually a very nice explanation...

I've always found vector graphics programs a pain in the ass to work with compared to photoshop but that's probably just personal taste.

Usually when I design a flyer/poster/other design in photoshop, I just make the resolution as large as the DPI of whatever printer it's coming out on. Then there's no guesswork and the text is as crisp as possible. Probably a massive waste of hard disk space, but meh, who cares...

I am taking a graphic design course next year... 6 months from now, I'll actually know what I'm talking about!

Posted by DJ_Elyot on Jul-03-2004 03:34:

One other comment... aren't objects/text/shapes stored as vector graphics until you rasterize them? Maybe I'm just a n00b.

Posted by Izra on Jul-03-2004 09:13:

What school are you going to for Graphic Design? In my program they barely showed us how to use illustrator and expected us to do wonders with it in a short period of time. The god damn pen tool !! You'll know what I mean in six months...lol. My advice is to become familiar with it, and after you do, you will realize how great it is compared to photoshop for making graphics/posters etc. You will also get in big trouble from your teachers if you use photoshop for assignments that don't involve photos.

For the dpi do u make it anymore then 300/600? If you do, that is pointless, because there is a 98% chance that any printer you are printing on is not higher then 300/600dpi. If you make it higher, you are just wasting pixels, and space on your computer. When you print a 4000dpi document on a 300dpi printer, your computer just automatically takes away an extra pixel here and there and reduces it to 300dpi.

As soon as you type a letter, or draw a line in photoshop, its a bitmap graphic. Zoom in to the max on a letter in illustrator, then zoom in on a letter in photoshop. That will help you to understand how it works.

Posted by Izra on Jul-03-2004 09:22:

Hey Serge, did you know that we know eachother?? Haha I just caught on to that now....

Posted by crazedcanuck on Jul-03-2004 09:44:

I thought this was going to be a thread complaining about flier ppl...

**sheepish grin**

Posted by DJ_Elyot on Jul-04-2004 03:38:

quote:
What school are you going to for Graphic Design? In my program they barely showed us how to use illustrator and expected us to do wonders with it in a short period of time. The god damn pen tool !! You'll know what I mean in six months...lol. My advice is to become familiar with it, and after you do, you will realize how great it is compared to photoshop for making graphics/posters etc. You will also get in big trouble from your teachers if you use photoshop for assignments that don't involve photos.

Actually I'm just taking a high school graphic design course as an elective... but it's advanced graphic design (they told me to skip the basic one because it would be too easy for me.) Should be fun.

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For the dpi do u make it anymore then 300/600? If you do, that is pointless, because there is a 98% chance that any printer you are printing on is not higher then 300/600dpi. If you make it higher, you are just wasting pixels, and space on your computer. When you print a 4000dpi document on a 300dpi printer, your computer just automatically takes away an extra pixel here and there and reduces it to 300dpi.

I use 360 by 360 dpi (which is the resolution of my printer) for images in photoshop. I've never had a problem printing graphics, text, etc. Always comes out nice and clean and crisp. I'm guessing that with Illustrator, the computer just converts your image to a bitmap image before it sends it to the printer anyway, but there shouldn't be too much of a difference in quality. The fidelity lost when applying certain filters to a bitmap image is the only concern I can think of... ex: if you start with a 360x360 dpi image and apply glass or ripples or other distortion to it, parts of it can get blocky if they get zoomed in too much. Most of the more common effects that I use (blur, lighting, glows and such) make up for the lost fidelity of the bitmap image with the averaging used by the algorithm in the effect. Blurring or putting glows around a bitmap image doesn't amplify the blockiness, whereas stretching, distorting, or zooming can.

quote:

As soon as you type a letter, or draw a line in photoshop, its a bitmap graphic. Zoom in to the max on a letter in illustrator, then zoom in on a letter in photoshop. That will help you to understand how it works.

From the photoshop help file:
"You cannot use the painting tools or filters on layers that contain vector data (such as type layers, shape layers, and vector masks) and generated data (such as fill layers). However, you can rasterize these layers to convert their contents into a flat, raster image."

So basically, text, shapes, etc is vector data, but on the screen, photoshop displays the bitmapped approximation that will be created once the layer is rasterized. For example, if you create an ellipse in photoshop, it will be pixelly if zoomed in, but will display the perfect resolution at 100%, and retain this resolution when rasterized. If you stretch the ellipse, you don't amplify the blockiness because it hasn't been rasterized yet. However, if you rasterize the ellipse and THEN stretch it, you create a pixelly mess.

I never thought I'd be discussing photoshop on tranceaddict. What a great community we've got goin on here! LOL

Posted by Izra on Jul-04-2004 12:50:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
From the photoshop help file:
"You cannot use the painting tools or filters on layers that contain vector data (such as type layers, shape layers, and vector masks) and generated data (such as fill layers). However, you can rasterize these layers to convert their contents into a flat, raster image."

So basically, text, shapes, etc is vector data, but on the screen, photoshop displays the bitmapped approximation that will be created once the layer is rasterized. For example, if you create an ellipse in photoshop, it will be pixelly if zoomed in, but will display the perfect resolution at 100%, and retain this resolution when rasterized. If you stretch the ellipse, you don't amplify the blockiness because it hasn't been rasterized yet. However, if you rasterize the ellipse and THEN stretch it, you create a pixelly mess.
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hmmm good to know. I havn't done text or used the paint tool in photoshop in a coons age, beacuse it sucks for text soooo much.

Posted by Izra on Jul-04-2004 12:50: