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Posted by Ben_Diesel on Jul-01-2004 23:58:

If you don't believe in God.....

....if you're in court and you don't believe in God, do they ask you to swear on the bible? Or do they even do that anymore? And if they do and you lie, is it bad?...because you don't believe in God, remember?

Random side throughts to follow:

God and whatever form most people believe it to be is so widespread that you can't get away from it. It's on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance. Since church and state is supposed to be separate, why do Atheists have to deal with this? I mean...I'm cool with people who have faith. To each their own, right? But I don't force my views on them, so why are theirs forced on me?

Posted by TweeK on Jul-02-2004 00:00:

Re: If you don't believe in God.....

quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Diesel
....if you're in court and you don't believe in God, do they ask you to swear on the bible? Or do they even do that anymore? And if they do and you lie, is it bad?...because you don't believe in God, remember?

Random side throughts to follow:

God and whatever form most people believe it to be is so widespread that you can't get away from it. It's on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance. Since church and state is supposed to be separate, why do Atheists have to deal with this? I mean...I'm cool with people who have faith. To each their own, right? But I don't force my views on them, so why are theirs forced on me?

cause the catholic church is more powerfull that u are

Posted by DannyO on Jul-02-2004 00:08:

Re: If you don't believe in God.....

quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Diesel
....if you're in court and you don't believe in God, do they ask you to swear on the bible? Or do they even do that anymore? And if they do and you lie, is it bad?...because you don't believe in God, remember?

Random side throughts to follow:

God and whatever form most people believe it to be is so widespread that you can't get away from it. It's on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance. Since church and state is supposed to be separate, why do Atheists have to deal with this? I mean...I'm cool with people who have faith. To each their own, right? But I don't force my views on them, so why are theirs forced on me?

I hear ya man, I'm the same way, people can believe in whatever they want, but don't force it on me, put I look at it this way, if I was in court and they said "Do you swear to tell the truth, so help thee god" (or whatever it is), I would be like "sure", then lie out my ass about everything.

an fuk it, I need more beer.

Posted by enferno on Jul-02-2004 00:10:

Re: Re: If you don't believe in God.....

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Originally posted by TweeK
cause the catholic church is more powerfull that u are

then again . . the catholic church did not officially procalim the worl ws round until the late 1960's

how poweful can you be if you're that dumb?

Posted by TweeK on Jul-02-2004 00:13:

Re: Re: Re: If you don't believe in God.....

quote:
Originally posted by enferno
the catholic church did not officially procalim the worl ws round until the late 1960's

so who gives a fuck

Posted by Eis on Jul-02-2004 00:19:

Here in Finland you don't have to swear on the bible in court, if you are not a member of christian church, you just have to give your word that you're telling the truth ;9

Posted by butterfly on Jul-02-2004 00:20:

Re: Re: Re: If you don't believe in God.....

quote:
Originally posted by enferno
then again . . the catholic church did not officially procalim the worl ws round until the late 1960's

how poweful can you be if you're that dumb?

it's frightening, but by far not the only dumb entity in the world that has power over the way things are...

Posted by Zombie0915 on Jul-02-2004 00:23:

Well there really isn't any possible way not to force one's beliefs onto other people, if you make everyone romove all signs of religion from flags and money and stuff, people will think that athieism is being forced on them, and they would be right. There is no way to please everyone unfortunately. I dont really think that the word God written on someone forces anyone to beleive anything tho, just dont read/say it.

This is coming from an agnostic, so im kinda nutral in this argument, hehhee

Posted by jparknyc on Jul-02-2004 00:26:

if you wanna blame someone, blame Constantine the Great...after him, the world wasn't quite the same... and if you have no clue what i'm talking bout, please research before leaving some lame response... i'd do the same for all ya'll...

Posted by qwikk on Jul-02-2004 00:41:

well... I just testified the other day in court, and there was no bible, just raised my right hand and agreed to what the lawyer said. although she did end it with 'so help you God.

if you lie on the stand it's still illegal, so whether you get smitten or not doesn't matter.

meh.

Posted by Floorfiller on Jul-02-2004 00:56:

quote:
Originally posted by qwikk
well... I just testified the other day in court, and there was no bible, just raised my right hand and agreed to what the lawyer said. although she did end it with 'so help you God.

if you lie on the stand it's still illegal, so whether you get smitten or not doesn't matter.

meh.

did you do jury duty? i've always wanted to get selected for a trial...that'd be awesome. of course...they don't choose lawyers because they know too much about stuff and can influence the jury...

Posted by davinox on Jul-02-2004 01:06:

actually, atheists can swear under "penalty of law."

Posted by UWM on Jul-02-2004 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
did you do jury duty? i've always wanted to get selected for a trial...that'd be awesome. of course...they don't choose lawyers because they know too much about stuff and can influence the jury...

I don't really think you want to be selected for jury duty.

Posted by fitom tiel on Jul-02-2004 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by qwikk

if you lie on the stand it's still illegal, so whether you get smitten or not doesn't matter.

meh.

haha that's an interesting philosophy

Posted by 3xx3r7 on Jul-02-2004 02:44:

What if I am polytheistic? I would be offended by pledge and currency bills.

Posted by Zenchowdah on Jul-02-2004 03:42:

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7
What if I am polytheistic? I would be offended by pledge and currency bills.

please, you would be offended by being asked to coexist with em? chances are, if you're of a religion that doesnt support peaceful coexistence, then its not all that reputable religion to start with, and the government and powers that be will have your number in a while anyways. I dont remember where, but it says somewhere in the bible, "obey your earthly masters". This came into effect during the days of Martin Luther, and the peasant uprisings. It's ok to go for change, but not at the cost of chaos and death.

Posted by djshan on Jul-02-2004 14:22:

to begin with, im an athiest.. so therefore i believe its stupid to make them swear on the bible when in court... suppose you lie, will you be caught? hell no!

p.s. no offence to anyone

Posted by badK4rm4 on Jul-02-2004 15:56:

Some interesting thoughts about forcing views...
Consider this, for instanace. I attended two catholic schools during the last 5 years. I am an atheist. It was an unforgettable experience, especially religion classes. Comical, ironic, amusing as hell. I recommend it to anyone who is suffering from lack of adventures in school.

Posted by Orbax on Jul-02-2004 16:24:

Believe in God or not, youre going to get hit under perjury laws if yah lie

Posted by Eric Siefer on Jul-02-2004 19:15:

Heres my viewpoint.
I dont beleive in the one "God" as most do. I was raised catholic and dont really have a problem with organized religion except for the fact that they all think they are right.
How the hell, can you all be right, almost every religion is based on something that happened thousands of years ago.
Anyone remember the "telephone" game you'd play in kindergarten?
After a while the message gets distorted and people change it to what they want others to hear.

They(religions in general) have the right idea, respect yourself and others.

My belief is that, there is no one god because that is impossible.
All living things have magnetic fields, or atleast they give off energy. Therefore in my eyes, those who chose to acknowledge it, are part of the collective conscious. Thats why sometimes you'll finish a friends sentence, or think of something the same time as someone else. Thats why pyramids were built all over the world in varying styles, yet none of the builders saw the others.
If i'm not mistaken calculus was invented by 2 people at the same time in different parts of the world as well.

Its not being psychic, its knowing. Its very hard to explain, especially on a forum, but I know theres others who believe as I do, and they know what I'm trying to say.

Because studies show that humans are using a small % of their brain, just reinforces my theory (atleast to me it does).
Start learning to use that other 95%

Posted by davinox on Jul-02-2004 20:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Eric Siefer
Heres my viewpoint.
I dont beleive in the one "God" as most do. I was raised catholic and dont really have a problem with organized religion except for the fact that they all think they are right.
How the hell, can you all be right, almost every religion is based on something that happened thousands of years ago.
Anyone remember the "telephone" game you'd play in kindergarten?
After a while the message gets distorted and people change it to what they want others to hear.

They(religions in general) have the right idea, respect yourself and others.

My belief is that, there is no one god because that is impossible.
All living things have magnetic fields, or atleast they give off energy. Therefore in my eyes, those who chose to acknowledge it, are part of the collective conscious. Thats why sometimes you'll finish a friends sentence, or think of something the same time as someone else. Thats why pyramids were built all over the world in varying styles, yet none of the builders saw the others.
If i'm not mistaken calculus was invented by 2 people at the same time in different parts of the world as well.

Its not being psychic, its knowing. Its very hard to explain, especially on a forum, but I know theres others who believe as I do, and they know what I'm trying to say.

Because studies show that humans are using a small % of their brain, just reinforces my theory (atleast to me it does).
Start learning to use that other 95%

lol, how unfounded. assume less and everything will make more sense.

Posted by NinetyNinety on Jul-02-2004 20:57:

quote:
Originally posted by davinox
lol, how unfounded. assume less and everything will make more sense.

Hahaha, true. Anyway, for all you atheists and agnostics, I really recommend you read this book:

Patrick Glynn - GOD: THE EVIDENCE

It's not the book you think it is, it only gives you a bigger perspective on things, and everything is based on true facts, unlike the "big bang theory" and so on. To tell you a little bit of what it talks about : Cientists have proved all around the world that there are specific measures and constants (gravity, electromagnetism, general physics, etc.) which only end is to make life on earth possible. But what is this all for? or better yet, who made this possible?

Posted by qwikk on Jul-02-2004 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
did you do jury duty? i've always wanted to get selected for a trial...that'd be awesome. of course...they don't choose lawyers because they know too much about stuff and can influence the jury...

I don't think jurors testify, I just had to go as a witness to an accident.

Posted by Orbax on Jul-02-2004 21:20:

quote:
Originally posted by NinetyNinety
Hahaha, true. Anyway, for all you atheists and agnostics, I really recommend you read this book:

Patrick Glynn - GOD: THE EVIDENCE

It's not the book you think it is, it only gives you a bigger perspective on things, and everything is based on true facts, unlike the "big bang theory" and so on. To tell you a little bit of what it talks about : Cientists have proved all around the world that there are specific measures and constants (gravity, electromagnetism, general physics, etc.) which only end is to make life on earth possible. But what is this all for? or better yet, who made this possible?

Even though I semi-agree with you there are some rather large holes in the reasoning there.

Posted by NinetyNinety on Jul-02-2004 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
Even though I semi-agree with you there are some rather large holes in the reasoning there.

I mean, I'm not Patrick Glynn, I can't answer all your questions, and he can't also, but read his book, it really explains things without all the "rather large holes in the reasoning"...

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