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Should USA bomb Afghanistan?
Guys... i'd like to know what is the opinion of you about whether USA should declare war to afeganistan. Mostly, i'd like to hear about americans, from all over US, not only NY. Please read all this text.
I think new yorkers will mostly say US should bomb them. Well, i'm not quite sure what would be my reaction. I personally think people from outside this can evaluate things better coz they don't have their heads on fire, generally like NYers. I see palestinians killing israelis, and those also killing palestinians. And i see that for a long time. And that violence did not create peace. Plus i'm really worried since afeganistan have nuclear weapons.
And let me tell something to the americans... (btw; I DO NOT THINK WHAT WAS DONE WAS RIGHT!!!) PUT YOURSELVES IN THE PLACES OF the arabs, palestinians, afeganistan people. If i was STUPID, had NO education, if i was a FANATIC about religion, and if my mom got shot by a gun, plus if i was seeing violence everyday next to me, i would say "fuck you americans!!!". Really, it's not that they "hate" you, it's just that IGNORANT people can't think clearly. They think; oh well, they have cars, they have houses, they have food, they have a family, they have confort, AND LOOK WHAT I HAVE! I have nothing...! And when all this happens, it's easy when someone yells "US is the reason of why all you are in such conditions!!!", the ignorant people will believe him.
It's the kind of things that makes thiefs go rob banks and people. The "spread" of richness between people brings violence. That's what i see here in my country. And the more the ignorant the people are, the more dangerous this gets.
Afeganistan people HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE. Americans can build 100 building like WTC. I don't think that an attack from terrorists should affect all americans lives, and the whole world, even though i reckon the terrible attacks US has suffered.
btw, did you know that nostradamus predicted exactly THAT EVENT predicting the 3 world war? I don't know how to translate his words. Has this been publicized by the press?
Well... What do you think about this all?
I say no. The innocent people of afgan. are the ones that are ging to be paying for it... not the person/ people that caused this horrific destruction. I think that American should just go for the people resposible for this. Just going and bombing some country just because they think that they are the cause of this doesnt sound like the logical idea to me. Its only been 5 days after the event... what might they have found in that time such as evidence that was able to lead to afgan. being the cause of this. I think they should take serious thought and consideration before acting upon any country as a whole.
no
i think they proved in gulf war, even smart bombs kill innocent people
...& there have been enuff killings of innocent people...why should there be more, if even under the pretence of revenge or justice?
even in gulf war...they knew exactly who the enemy was...yet never managed to take out saddam & killed iraqi civilians...in ny...they still aren't 100% positive about osama yet, so there's even more chance the real threat will not be removed & they may evade the us strikes anyway 
please don't kill more people, no matter what the reason
all right...bomb - yes, but only the terrorist stuff, leave the civilians out of it, though many civilians will lose their lives as well.
>JM<
I say Yes.... there has to be something to be done...and Military action has to be done..... cuz if nothing if going to done from this tragady then more innocent people die in the long run......so i say go distroy this terrosists and the goverments that harbor them..... thats all i have to say..... and avoid killing innocent people which should be always done in any act of war..but the truth is that life isnt as pretty as we want them to be..... military action has to be done .... and innocent lives will be lost on both sides.... thats the fact of life..if there was a easier way to dealing with this ..then life would be easier ..but the fact is there isnt.... so i dont many innocent people dieing and i hope not many will. But like i said there has to some military action done to prevent deaths of innocent people from these terrosists ..... there might be innocent peopel dieing from these bombings but it will 100x as much innocent people dead if these terrorists do another act as they did...and they will if we dont stop them.
Without a doubt, yes. However, no one wants innocents to die.
I think you should at least learn to spell the name of the country that you intend to dump millions of dollars of bombs on.
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| Originally posted by Lilith I think you should at least learn to spell the name of the country that you intend to dump millions of dollars of bombs on. |
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| Originally posted by Lilith I think you should at least learn to spell the name of the country that you intend to dump millions of dollars of bombs on. |
No, usually its the aggression, sexism, intollerance and lack of intelligence from a lot of members that makes me post very little in the way of anything.
Its not that I dont want too.
But its not like you care anyway.
But I figure people can at least afford the time to spell a country correctly and re-read what the write before posting, poor spelling is not an indication of intelligence but it wont get a point across very well.
Back to the question at hand, a war isnt going to be won by airpower alone, they will eventually have to send in troops and that going to mean lots of dead people from both sides. Optimistically it will remove the Taliban eventually as a political force.
Realisticaly if history is to be learnt by, they wont get all of them and they'll just sit up in their hills emerging to wreck things, terrorise and cause mischeif for how many generations it takes before they dont care anymore.
Killing Bin Laden wont end terrorism, at best it will be a form of bloodletting for all the americans that died, I suppose I can see a point to it all because it will help them get back their pride and a place to vent their anger.
As an effective way of combatting further attacks? I dont think so, terrorists have very little in the way to lose when it comes to bombing them, you might squish the odd one and blow up a $5 tent but its like trying to kill ants with a sledgehammer. Ultimately they'll just rack off to their hole in the ground and wait until you go away, they are too dispersed to effectively corner and I dont think the magnitude of the problem has yet to sink in to most people.
Ive traveled though places like this, places like Iraq and Iran in the mid eighties before they went to hell and other worse places like Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia that have had massive civil disturbances and I was unfortunate enough to be forcibly evicted from Zimbabwe 2 years ago. My family lost a house, 2 cars, $75000 and consider myself lucky compared to some.
I find it very narrow minded that people can sit back in the comfort of their room and make judgements on the problems going on in other people's backyard. Most of you havent seen, smelled and looked on human suffering with your own senses, you get the politically correct and desensitised version on the TV and newspaper.
You see large numbers, never faces and our governments call them 'problems', they dont call them lives. They are people just like all of you that are caught up in the middle and I think its unfortunate that the general consensus of the rest of the world is that a 'few eggs are going to be broken'.
And those lives are going to be broken as a result of bombings.
There has to be some action to remove the taliban and get rid of Bin Laden, but I dont think it should be done with big armies and bombs.
2 cents from a refugee.
after what i have heard today:
osama bin laden has threatened nuclear warfare, i think its about time serious action was taken and not just using daisy-cutter bombs, but actually achiving what is necessary, and the allies occupying one city is a start. look back at ww2, if u have seen the band of brothers or saving private ryan or anything like that, this cost of lives has been minimal and nothing compared to say like the battle of the somme in ww1.
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| Originally posted by Lilith No, usually its the aggression, sexism, intollerance and lack of intelligence from a lot of members that makes me post very little in the way of anything. Its not that I dont want too. But its not like you care anyway. But I figure people can at least afford the time to spell a country correctly and re-read what the write before posting, poor spelling is not an indication of intelligence but it wont get a point across very well. Back to the question at hand, a war isnt going to be won by airpower alone, they will eventually have to send in troops and that going to mean lots of dead people from both sides. Optimistically it will remove the Taliban eventually as a political force. Realisticaly if history is to be learnt by, they wont get all of them and they'll just sit up in their hills emerging to wreck things, terrorise and cause mischeif for how many generations it takes before they dont care anymore. Killing Bin Laden wont end terrorism, at best it will be a form of bloodletting for all the americans that died, I suppose I can see a point to it all because it will help them get back their pride and a place to vent their anger. As an effective way of combatting further attacks? I dont think so, terrorists have very little in the way to lose when it comes to bombing them, you might squish the odd one and blow up a $5 tent but its like trying to kill ants with a sledgehammer. Ultimately they'll just rack off to their hole in the ground and wait until you go away, they are too dispersed to effectively corner and I dont think the magnitude of the problem has yet to sink in to most people. Ive traveled though places like this, places like Iraq and Iran in the mid eighties before they went to hell and other worse places like Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia that have had massive civil disturbances and I was unfortunate enough to be forcibly evicted from Zimbabwe 2 years ago. My family lost a house, 2 cars, $75000 and consider myself lucky compared to some. I find it very narrow minded that people can sit back in the comfort of their room and make judgements on the problems going on in other people's backyard. Most of you havent seen, smelled and looked on human suffering with your own senses, you get the politically correct and desensitised version on the TV and newspaper. You see large numbers, never faces and our governments call them 'problems', they dont call them lives. They are people just like all of you that are caught up in the middle and I think its unfortunate that the general consensus of the rest of the world is that a 'few eggs are going to be broken'. And those lives are going to be broken as a result of bombings. There has to be some action to remove the taliban and get rid of Bin Laden, but I dont think it should be done with big armies and bombs. 2 cents from a refugee. |
I think it is too early to tell. If this war caries on for as long as the russians were in (10 years) then it could mean many deaths. But if it done quickly and with as little civilian deaths as possible it needs to be done.
What other ways were there to bring these sick terrorists to justice
i still think war is not the proper solution
let's say they kill all the terrorists and that the allied force win this war , don't u think it's gonna add more hate and stuff toward america and uk ?
Well we wont no soon, or maybe not even in the next 10 years, i just hope i never see another september they 11th or nuclear war like they said. On the news it said they could just have a pipe with 2 uranium atoms and slam them together. Obviously a bit more complicated than that, but it would b enough to destroy a large city, it would b as big as the ones seen in the second world war.
But i dont feel i know enough to say. The future will tell all
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| Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 i still think war is not the proper solution let's say they kill all the terrorists and that the allied force win this war , don't u think it's gonna add more hate and stuff toward america and uk ? |
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| Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 i have to say it is the best analysis i've seen on this boards , i totally agree with you Lilith |
We should of BOMBED Afghanistan the same way we bombed the Japanese after Pearl Harbor......my opinion and can back it up 100%
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No...we should NOT bomb them.
Just like we should have never stopped Hitler, and shouldn't have retalliated from Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.
*hint the sarcasm*
Of course we aren't gonna nuke the whole country, but come on!!!! The U.S. bombing is MORE THAN REASONABLE. In fact, we are being generous. Millions of innocents died in WW2, and that had to be done! Look at the Afghan casualties, what, like 150 or something like that? Shit, the tailban kills that many in their soccer stadiums every week.
And remember, why should the U.S. give a shit about Afghanistan in the first place? All we've done is sit here and take attacks from terrorists, and had to put up with their shit. 9-11 wasn't the first attack! Zero retaliation is ridiculous, and is totally against every part of history on this planet since civilization. wars happen, deal with it.
oh yeah, by the way, a comment i must reply too.
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| let's say they kill all the terrorists and that the allied force win this war , don't u think it's gonna add more hate and stuff toward america and uk ? |
damn blow the mofos to hell- i dont care weather its citizens or what.. I agree they think US is weak.. they only respond to and understand force, and I'm glad its time that we got balls and did somthing about it -west cost speakin
Yes they killed Thousands of people not only from U.S. If terriosm is no dealt with now they will kill thousands more. Plus the Afegans
had their country stolen from them and there people cant do what we are doing now voiceing their opinion. They can't even listen to Trance. It's like a death sentence if your caught. So I think we would doing them a favor. Plus the U.S. has bombs that you can put threw a window from miles a way. So there would be minimal damage to innocent lives. Unlik those idiots did to us.
Every now and then a 120 people who dont have anything to do with the Taliban get hit with a rouge bomb. Thats a city blocks worth of family's at least, mum, dad, 2.5kids, yes thats 26 houses full of people and Im still failing to see this as a "justifiable homicide" for Sept 11.
So where is the line in the sand for accidentally dead civilians in the name of revenge? Come on, wheres your limit before it starts to bother your conscience, assuming you have one at all?
Its too late, Bin Laden has flown to coop so to speak and isnt there anymore.
For the last 20 years the US has been playing middle eastern peacekeeper/arms merchant to these 'people' and a lot of people in the US government have finally decided to say 'we sort of had this coming'.
It didnt have to keep coming, but still the CIA and whoever else gave fanatics and warlords guns to kill the other side which was funded by the USSR to maintain some 'balance' in the region. So it happened, it took awile but it happened, the US gave the Mujahadeen Stinger Missiles to make the Soviets go away and it worked eventually. Then, when all the shootings died down there is no assistance from the US to help them build up infrastructure or put in place a democratic government. So what do the people do?
The warlords keep doing what theyre doing and fanaticism runs literally riot through the area, but they still have those weapons that they where given...
Sad isnt it?
Theres no hope for the world with all the revenge, greed and selfishness.
I'm sorry but I have a problem with some of these people who made post here who think we shouldn't be bombing. I know it is your opinion and I do respect that. But I think you need to face the facts, 1000's of innocent lives were lost during the Sept. 11 attack. They weren't just us citizens they came from all lands. There are going to be children with out parents. There was a major hit on the World's economy. We took a hit on our everyday freedoms. All because of terroism. If you now anything about terriosm their attacks get bigger and bigger. Which means 1000's more live if there not stopped.
I understand there will be innocent Afgan people lost and that sucks. I guess we will never really know by attacking terroism how many lives that will be saved. Not to mention It will be given back Afgans back their country, who knows maybe they will get into trance. Also for all the women who have made post against bombing, I don't get it. Afgan women in the taliban goverment are the egual to the food i feed my dog with. Imagine be shot in the head because your bare leg shows.Your not allowed to go to school. All your used for is to have kids and clean. So I think we are not only doing the world a favor we are doing the Afgan people an even bigger one giving their lives back.
The continued bombing at this stage is totally ridiculous ... a quick bunch of fuckin nukes around about September 12th might have sorted the problem, but it's a bit late now 
Seriously, from a strategic point of view, the mountainous layout of Afghanistan is totally unsuited to bombing, and the truth is that the Russians hammered the place flat with air power for 20 years before anyone even heard of the Taliban. As a result, the former Mujahideen (and now Taliban) fighters are highly mobile, and totally skilled in the art of dodging detection from the air - there are virtually no strategic targets above ground of any consequence (basically these 'terrorist training camps' are a bunch of $5 tents as Lilith said), and there are dozens of caves and underground complexes for the bad guys to hide in.
What we should be doing is going in there with a serious ground force, and flushing the fuckin terrorists out of the holes they're hiding in. However, the inevitable consequence of ground war is large numbers of body bags coming back home to the 'states and that is a political price that most Americans (and certainly American politicians) are not willing to pay, even though the soldiers themselves certainly are 
The incredible military success of the Gulf War created this myth in America, that air power can resolve any conflict, and now it's always the fighter and bomber drivers that get the first phone calls, and are totally expected to work miracles. They're a godsend to politicians because they're skilled at dropping explosives on people's heads, and legging it back to base still alive ... and it looks so cool on the news with all those rows of airplanes taking off ... but I fail to understand how they were ever supposed to bring bin Laden in alive? They would have nailed him months ago if the US government had only had the balls to properly seal the Afghanistan borders, go in there with soldiers on the ground right from the start and start knocking door to door looking for the guy.
Now it's totally fucked up, Osama is long gone and it's kind of pointless to continue. He's gonna be like the arab Elvis now, sightings and rumours everywhere for the next 50 years but never actually able to be found.
Well done George W., you are in charge of the greatest military force history has ever seen and yet you totally bottled it when it mattered - now you've got another basket case third world country on your hands that you're going to have to spend billions of tax dollars on rebuilding, you still ain't caught the bad guys and you probably never will, until they piss off somewhere else and raise a new force of terrorists and do it all again in two or three years
A bit late reply, but I think it's a good thing they did it!!
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