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Who here makes IDM?

Not really sure whether I have got the genre right but i'm talking 'bout Aphex Twin type stuff.

I make a fair bit... and just wanted to see if there's any other TA's who have found themselves better at making IDM than anything else.

cool,

cya's



P.S

correct me if i'm wrong about the genre

nobody then?

IDM = ?

= Independent Dane Music
= Intelligence Dance Music

..?

Inteligent Dance Music

Goes out of the common patterns of productions and aims at innovating using diferent and complex sounds and effects.

Have you heard of freeland?(Adam Freeland) Is that the sort of stuff?

I try to listen to IDM at times (Aphex Twin, Autechre etc.), but I must admit it seems to complex for me to compose. I have a friend though who has been into IDM for many, many years, and who is also composing it for his own joy for over five years or so.

I would love to get some know-how on that myself, it seems really great to broaden your horizons on makin sounds.
I guess the main thing is make yourself free from the common patterns and try to do some diferent samples that sounds good on the ears, and arrange them on a musicaly pleasant way. Easier said than done though.

It's called "intelligent dance music" because in fact, those who make it are more intelligent than trance scum!

The more you know!

Knowin more dun means they are more inteligent or not.
Inteligence and knowledge arent linked. Though one calls for the other, they dun need to depend on each other.

No doubt that ppl who can make it are inteligent since it requires a lot of study and creativity, but that doesnt means a trance producer dun hav the potential to learn what is needed for IDM (as long as he likes the genre). besides, not every trance producer that is limited to a single kind of sound does so for lack of knowledge/inteligence, but for money, since IDM isnt music for the masses.

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Originally posted by NicklessGuy Knowin more dun means they are more inteligent or not. Inteligence and knowledge arent linked. Though one calls for the other, they dun need to depend on each other. No doubt that ppl who can make it are inteligent since it requires a lot of study and creativity, but that doesnt means a trance producer dun hav the potential to learn what is needed for IDM (as long as he likes the genre). besides, not every trance producer that is limited to a single kind of sound does so for lack of knowledge/inteligence, but for money, since IDM isnt music for the masses.

That's a load of bull you've written there. Nobody said anything about knowledge. What kind of language are you writing there? Are the five key strokes you save really worth the moron image that comes with "Knowin more dun means..."?

Experimental music does not require more study or creativity than any other kind, in fact I sometimes think it requires significantly less musical abilities. Much of it is inability masked as avantgarde. It's not harder to make than trance, it's not of higher quality, it's not something you need intelligence for. It's simply another musical style.

The name alone, "IDM", exudes so much condescendance and contempt for all the "lesser styles" that it makes me sick.

I'm also fed up with morons who say that if the wrong people, or too many people like what you do, you're selling out and you're not genuine, fuck that. I make the music I do because I love to hear it, and it is an insult to insinuate that the popularity of my favourite genre makes me somehow fake, or less of an artist. Especially when it comes from someone who doesn't even have enough respect to try and make an effort to write good English.

Respect is the real issue here.

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Originally posted by wayfinder That's a load of bull you've written there. Nobody said anything about knowledge. What kind of language are you writing there? Are the five key strokes you save really worth the moron image that comes with "Knowin more dun means..."?

I type as i want, does it gets on your nerves? Sry, your prob, not mine

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Experimental music does not require more study or creativity than any other kind, in fact I sometimes think it requires significantly less musical abilities. Much of it is inability masked as avantgarde. It's not harder to make than trance, it's not of higher quality, it's not something you need intelligence for. It's simply another musical style.

Yes it does require more knowledge. Trance is popular, u can get into a forum like this one and find tutorial about how to build a trance pad, how to make usual trance basslines, and these process are pretty much similar for most productions, changing mainly the song feeling and soul that the creativity of the musician puts on it.
While u cant find these kind of info for IDM, simply cuz its not a style that follows certain patterns, u need to mess with really diferent and complex-to-make sounds. I dun think theres any insult on it to any ppl that (like me) lovs and makes trance, its just a diff style.
If u felt ofended by this statment, i repeat, u hav a probelm, not me.

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I'm also fed up with morons who say that if the wrong people, or too many people like what you do, you're selling out and you're not genuine, fuck that. I make the music I do because I love to hear it, and it is an insult to insinuate that the popularity of my favourite genre makes me somehow fake, or less of an artist. Especially when it comes from someone who doesn't even have enough respect to try and make an effort to write good English. Respect is the real issue here.

Really?
State where i said u r a fake artist for makin trance? Dun get your paranoias and talk like they came from me.
Which cave u came from, btw m8?
I hav been on this forum for some years and almost never saw ppl fighting here, with very few exceptions, maybe cuz most here are mature ppl that wants to share info and debate ideias. Now comes u and attacks and insults me becuz u dun agree with my points? Is that what your ideia of respect? If so, u should go back to school and learn how to debate things educately, cuz u sounds lika an uga-buga caveman that cant wait to thow a rock on any1 that looks at u.

I can't take you seriously when you write crap like that. You obviously understand about as much about music as you understand about grammar, expression and spelling.

U really need a hobby.
So u would stop coming and tossing flames on ppl that are seriously debating their ideias.
Go punch some sand-bags so u dun release your agression on other ppl.

I already have a hobby, namely making music. I was seriously debating my ideas, too. Go get a spell checker at least.

I only saw u calling me a lot of diferent names, attacking all my points in agressive way, makin fun of the way i like to type with an arrogant attitude, and pissed for being called "fake artist" when i naver said that, especially cuz i would be one too since i make trance too.
If u call that debating your ideias, get a dictionary and read the meaning of that word.

Lets get it straight, i dun want to keep arguing.
I wont change the way i think cuz u yelled on me and called me names, and i dun expect or need u to be civilized with the way u talk to me about your points.
As a matter of respect for the other members, especially the one who started the thread and could still be waiting for more info on usefull posts about what he asked, forget that u dun like my opinion, live with that, and i forget the load of insults u gave me, and we save the forum from a lot of useless posts.

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Originally posted by wayfinder I already have a hobby, namely making music.

Maybe you should spend more time on that hobby and less time on Tranceaddict, at least until you learn how to express yourself without insults and lame attacks at spelling and grammer

There's really not much point in you having an opinion, as nobody is going to listen to it if you keep the attitude

My point, from the beginning, was that "IDM" is not a good genre name because it attached an intellectual value to music where there is none. My point is that making good "IDM" is not harder than doing any other style well, as opposed to what has been written in the thread before, and opposed to what is insinuated by the name.

It is a sign of respect for your fellow posters to try and write correctly. Mistakes happen, but he chooses to write like an elementary school dropout. That's not helping his arguments at all.

Ok, since u r still on it...

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Originally posted by wayfinder My point, from the beginning, was that "IDM" is not a good genre name because it attached an intellectual value to music where there is none. My point is that making good "IDM" is not harder than doing any other style well, as opposed to what has been written in the thread before, and opposed to what is insinuated by the name.

If u did read my post payin attention to the ideia, and not only to your own paranoia about it, maybe u would see that what i said was exactly that IDM producers dun need to be exactly more inteligent than trance producers. They only hav more knowledge about synthesis than most trance producers (and yes, they does, aphex twins makes their sound for many years, and im sure that they can program some wickedly complex sounds that a lot here, myself included, cant).

Now look at what u wrote:

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It's called "intelligent dance music" because in fact, those who make it are more intelligent than trance scum!

Judging from that, it was u in the 1st place who said that IDM producers are more inteligent than trance producers, and even used an agressive name for it, so i tried to defend the trance producers stating that those ppl hav more knowledge on synthesis and not exactly more inteligence.
And now u get all cocky sayin that it was me who said u are a "fake artist" for makin trance, lmao! Decide yourself cuz u r all confused there.

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It is a sign of respect for your fellow posters to try and write correctly. Mistakes happen, but he chooses to write like an elementary school dropout. That's not helping his arguments at all.

It shouldnt, the way i type absolutely has no link with my ideias, thats what counts on a forum post. If u get annoyed by it, u r a prick and thats your problem, not mine.
Besides, i think its much more of a signal of respect to fellow posters not to turn their threads into stupid flamewars by cursing and calling ppl names like u did. cuz my typin dun bothers the flow of the thread, but your flames does.

Errr, who cares?
Close the thread. Wayfinder - stop taking yourself so seriously in general n who gives a fuck about gramar. Nicklessguy - its shit when somebody starts slagging you off for no reason but fuck him, as if you really care what he thinks.


CLOSE PLEASE

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Originally posted by wayfinder My point, from the beginning, was that "IDM" is not a good genre name because it attached an intellectual value to music where there is none. My point is that making good "IDM" is not harder than doing any other style well, as opposed to what has been written in the thread before, and opposed to what is insinuated by the name.

well, i don't think anyone here is responsible for that name, and nobody said they liked it.

i neither understand your attitude at all. it's obvious that nickless didn't get the sarcasm in your first post and posted counter-arguments that actually kinda supported your opinion... why in hell did you completely lost reality and became so rude from then on?

I'm sorry, I got carried away. Too many bad experiences with IDM assholes.

Its ok, nvm

What are a few good IDM tracks?

somehow I knew that when I saw twenty-something replies it wouldnt have been people replying to me. just children fighting.

so anyway who HERE makes IDM?

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