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Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 06:54:

CD's wearing out?

Hi

I have just though of listening to some of my older cd's and I put them on and they skip and jump and just generally sound like shit, I got rid of my old cd player since I thought it was doing it.

Now after about a year on my new cd player and on my cd rom the cd's are sounding like shit, it's definatly the cd's not the player since all my other cd's sound just fine.
I take extremely good care of my cd's, i've cleaned them , not one of them have a scratch, but they still do this... could they be worned out?

Posted by D Dubya on Jul-17-2004 15:37:

No matter how well you take care of them, CDs have a very finite lifespan. Recordable CDs are even worse. It's not the way you take care of them, they just seem to degrade over time.

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 16:37:

It's sad man... I can't even rip them, they come out totaly buggered
shit

Posted by beats and beeps on Jul-17-2004 16:37:

Cds have a short lifespan, thats why you have to force them to reincarnate. (cd-r) I'd really like to know about how old are the cd's that are doing this?

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 16:44:

I have 8 cds doing this, the oldest one 1997 and the newest one i bought 2002 (2 disk set both are doing it)
All 8 have had some llllooooooooooong sessions of playing though.

5 of them where doin this on my old player, thats why I got rid of it, on the new player they still do it but now 3 more have joined the club, but mind you I have not listened to them for like 2 years.
Strange what one finds when you want to listen to some of the old goodies.

none of them work on my cd rom either and thats not even 2 months old.

Posted by beats and beeps on Jul-17-2004 18:44:

I searched a bit for more info on the subject and i got a few things...
Apparantly its claimed that cdrs have a lifespan of approx. 100 years, and cdrws a lifespan of 30...(this is said by hewlette packard)

More realistic studies have shown that the normal silver (aluminum substrate) cds have a lifespan of about 10 years. Although gold substrate cds should last over 100 years, but dont ask me where you buy these gold cds...

As far as cdrs go, ones that used organic dyes have a greenish reading surface. These have a lifespan of 10-30 years. Gold substrate cdrs again last over 100, and again i have no clue where you get them. The newer and more common ones have a bluish tinged reading surface, and studies havnt been done on them, but they should be similar to the ones that used organic green dyes.

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 18:57:

Cool. Does the lazer degrade the cd, or does it break down with age , oxidization and such? I ask since I have some really really old cd's that work perfectly.

I have seen some cdrs that are gold, never any other cds though

Posted by beats and beeps on Jul-17-2004 19:22:

As far as i know not much of the process is due to the laser, i know that sunlight(direct) speeds up the process MUCH faster on cdrs, i wouldnt guess that things such as humidity, and other stuff like that might be a factor?
Heres a thread you might want to check out, (its where ive been getting most of this info.)
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a...g?msg_id=000rfo
I know its in regards to storing images on cds, but its still helpful.

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 19:37:

Thanks man

How do I get my busted ass cds to work again?

I didn't leave them in the sun
They not scratched
They not dusty
been kept prestine

Which brings me to another point.
WHy the hell do people work so thoughlessly with other peoples cds??

I once got a cd back from this one guy, he lost my jewel case, the thing was scratched to hell , and it even had a crack in it. And the best part of it, he dropped it off at my house when I wasn't there, never apologized or anything, then I phone him, and suddenly there was nothing wrong with it when he dropped it off... What the hell is wrong with people?
I have had people steel my cds also
And now the things just stop working all together...

I remember when things came on tapes... those where the days

Posted by beats and beeps on Jul-17-2004 19:52:

Oh god i hate tapes. I've owned 3 tapes in my life, the first i got when i was 6, and i loved it, i carefully stored it in its case in my drawer. Well one day i go to listen to it and its all screwed up, and my dad says its been erased...how? I had a magnet in the same drawer that i stored the tape in...stupid? yes, but i was 6 and they never taught us that magnets erased tapes in public school.

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 20:03:

hehe

The other crap with tapes is as soon as your tapedeck has had enough it politely tells you buy chewing up your best tape. When you take out your tape and it makes that wooooooooooor sound you know you gonna have to sit there for an hour to reel all that shit back in

Posted by Zombie0729 on Jul-17-2004 20:36:

cool little fact of the day. i read an article in Computer music that said if you allow sun light to hit hte back of your CD-R's they will last longer. I guess they were doing a study at stanford(and still are) and they proved that sunlight helped the reflective capabilties of the CD-R, which insures longer life.

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 20:49:

I guess i'll go sundry these crapped out cd's tommoro... not that'll do any good I think.

Seems to me the old CD best thing that ever happpend thing, no more lost data, no more skipping needles, no more rewinding of old tapes ... was actually a load of crap.

Posted by Luke Terry on Jul-17-2004 20:54:

get eac, i have some cds that are totally buggered thru age and ive borrowed and ripped a few cds of mates who play them time + time again, and others that just dont take care of them. eac will get them all pretty much spot on perfect when it rips em if u do it on all the very best settings, may take a couple hours on an old machine but its defo worth it

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-17-2004 20:59:

I've actually managed to rip quite a few tunes, the ones I want though.

Posted by whitesmoke on Jul-19-2004 14:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0729
cool little fact of the day. i read an article in Computer music that said if you allow sun light to hit hte back of your CD-R's they will last longer. I guess they were doing a study at stanford(and still are) and they proved that sunlight helped the reflective capabilties of the CD-R, which insures longer life.

is the article on the web by any chance?

Posted by tu_face on Jul-20-2004 08:40:

its the same with DVD's too :/ my mate found an old PC mag dvd from a couple of years ago, all the files are corrupted and there is no scratches or marks on the DVD..

strange. you would have thought they would have sorted this a bit with DVD's especially. people back up lots of important shit on DVD's and CD's, they need to be more reliable.... not that i have 1st hand experience of degrading discs

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-20-2004 09:02:

This actually does piss me off abit, I think the whole cd thing is just one big false advertising... no one ever said CD's didn't last long, as a matter of fact they claimed that cd's would keep basically forever. I have tapes that still work absolutely fine and they are much older than any cd that I have, and those things have been abused over the years(I just tested them to see if they still work).

Posted by el.maestro on Jul-21-2004 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Gunyouken
Thanks man

How do I get my busted ass cds to work again?

I didn't leave them in the sun
They not scratched
They not dusty
been kept prestine

Which brings me to another point.
WHy the hell do people work so thoughlessly with other peoples cds??

I once got a cd back from this one guy, he lost my jewel case, the thing was scratched to hell , and it even had a crack in it. And the best part of it, he dropped it off at my house when I wasn't there, never apologized or anything, then I phone him, and suddenly there was nothing wrong with it when he dropped it off... What the hell is wrong with people?
I have had people steel my cds also
And now the things just stop working all together...

I remember when things came on tapes... those where the days

1. Don't lend out CDs. Ask for blanks and make them copies. You have to be an asshole about this if you're serious about your music colleciton.

2. If you have the cash, get Creative Labs Nomad Zen Xtra. I'll bet your whole collection will fit on one of these. This is the best thing since sliced bread. I can't download music fast enough.

3. Tapes. Are you serious?! Tapes are the least reliable media. I hope you're refering to Cassettes and not 8-Tracks.

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-21-2004 22:41:

Cassettes

I have a tape here that isn't even in a box and it's very old I remember this thing when I was like 5 so it prob dates back to 1980 something I can't even read any of the writting on it , it works great! I think i'm gonna keep this baby, one day when i'm like 80 I'll try it again, I'll keep you guys posted then... (If any of you are still alive )

Posted by Zeiter on Jul-22-2004 04:25:

man,

about your cds..if you're talking about cd-rs, i went to the computer shop the other day and the guy was telling me, not to try to sell me anything but because he's a friend of a girl i know, that cheap cd-r's are very bad quality so anything like humidity or just ....dirt will make them go wrong..dont ask me how it works..i have no clue but he said to buy good cd-rs..like..the ones u have 5 for 20 bucks...its especially for music, then it uses the same quality as normal "bought" cds...

hope this help...btw..sorry if my english is crap as hell

Posted by Gunyouken on Jul-22-2004 07:01:

All of them are good o'l music CDs. PArt my EDM collection from 1996 1997. They have things on like BBE 7days one week and Ayla and lemon 8 and binary finary etc etc good old good old.