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Why all the hate in music?

I was just noticing today how much people love what they love, but for the most part hate everything and everyone else. For example, people that like rock tend to hate anything electronic, people who like rap hate pretty much anything else, people who like trance hate house or DnB etc etc. Its tough to make such a broad generalization i know and yes i know some people like everything, but for the most part everyone is so very clingy. Has anyone else noticed this? From my perspective i can find something to like about any form of music, from classical to hip-hop, though my first love is and always will be trance. I just wonder why it is people dont realize music doesnt divide us, rather it connects us. From a more personal note for the most part i HATE rap, hate it hate it hate it. I love the beats, but i cant stand the vocals, nor the notion that self worth lies not in intelligence, integrity, family or anything really, but how much money you have and how well you flaunt it. That makes me sick. Its degrading society and i wish it would dissapear. Thats just my opinion of course And also for example people on this board are against sharing music? DId i get the right gist of it? Thats bullshit! WIthout file sharing i wouldnt know what any djs sound like! I would never have heard TE2000 and fallen in love with trance in the first place! We dont all live in holland, we cant all walk down the street and see tiesto, ive seen him 4 times by luck mostly, but again to the point without file sharing how many of us would have even been introduced to trance? Without it how would i have heard all the great live mixes ive heard over the years? ANd the artists benefit because people like me download a mix and then want to see them live. I dont get it.

barely nobody on here is against sharing music, but we are not allowed to talk fully open about it cause the RIAA would go after swamper's ass (swamper = the site admin)

i agree, there's too much hate in music. respect others' tastes, ffs

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Originally posted by paranoik0 barely nobody on here is against sharing music, but we are not allowed to talk fully open about it cause the RIAA would go after swamper's ass (swamper = the site admin) i agree, there's too much hate in music. respect others' tastes, ffs

Oh i get it. That makes sense at least haha.

Hey..Im Canadian.. its not illegal in Canada to share music.
Filesharing Deemed Legal In Canada

Why all the hate in music? Dont u mean why all the hate in the world?
Music, like all forms of art and media, only reflects the people and the values (or lack thereof) of society.

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Originally posted by Digital Aura Hey..Im Canadian.. its not illegal in Canada to share music. Filesharing Deemed Legal In Canada Why all the hate in music? Dont u mean why all the hate in the world? Music, like all forms of art and media, only reflects the people and the values (or lack thereof) of society.

count it.

Luckily rather few people are killed over music related racism. I'd start worrying about it after we fix hate related to race, religion, sexual preference...you know all that other stuff. (not that i see this possibly happening...ever.)

Oh personally, I don't mind listening to other genres of music.. I just don't.

I try to respect other peoples taste of music, but there's is stuff I just can't stand to hear. But, of course, it's not just about the music itself but also what you associate the music with. I, for example, really dislike metal, punk etc. Although I detest the music itself I find the culture unpleasant and weird, you know that typical clothing & make-up, right? I don't like it.

Then there's this unavoidable psychology aspect about uniformness: some people tend like and dislike certain types of music because "everyone else" does it.

It's a very interesting subject.

The elitism in music is there for the same reason secret societies still exist today. People want to feel superior to their peers, and if music is an important part of their life, then they'll take that avenue. It's really no different with any other subject matter...you get the same attitudes with people whose lives revolve around cars (company vs. company), coding (language vs. language), food (a rather large arena, but what comes first to mind is cooking with fat vs. no fat), etc....

It's a part of humanity, at least in today's society, and it's just something you're going to have to learn to put up with.

So true. You encounter that elitism behaviour all the time if various formes. Some people always try to present themselves as having the best and most unique taste, and are not shy about letting everyone else know about it.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 The elitism in music is there for the same reason secret societies still exist today. People want to feel superior to their peers, and if music is an important part of their life, then they'll take that avenue. It's really no different with any other subject matter...you get the same attitudes with people whose lives revolve around cars (company vs. company), coding (language vs. language), food (a rather large arena, but what comes first to mind is cooking with fat vs. no fat), etc.... It's a part of humanity, at least in today's society, and it's just something you're going to have to learn to put up with.

Absolutely. As shameful a lowmind mentality as it is -- like being the Queen or King of high school and later finding out the world is a MUCH bigger place and life doesn't revolve around the transient years of adolescence -- you quickly come to realize that there's an upside: there may be chinstroking snobs, but that doesn't stop you from expressing your own views as to what you enjoy. Take that empty wineglass from the elitist, fill it with your own personal brand of confidence, and splash it back in his face. Find out what you REALLY enjoy, not the hypocrisy that comes from someone who is supposedly "against the conformist mainstream" yet someone who tries to impose his tastes on you because of some deep-seated insecurity he won't be bold enough to admit.

It's been stated here numerous times, it's simple:

I like what I listen to what I like.

Speaking of, I see a lot of Emperor's New Clothes scenarios: people who were earlier critical of something who will jump on the bandwagon later, and a lot of digital wankery that "passes" (not even barely) for music criticism, but is instead an unbridled cauldron of vitriolic hate and blah-blah-blahs. I usually tend to stick to the positive side of things and wax on about records that I like. Music's such a luxury, and I'm keeping my ears open. If I revert to technosnob form like a vinyl-munching werewolf, feel free to whup me with a silver 12". Really, I'd prefer to spend time with a loved one, listening to music we enjoy.

I like trance, techno, noisecore, Avril Lavigne, etc.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 barely nobody on here is against sharing music, but we are not allowed to talk fully open about it cause the RIAA would go after swamper's ass (swamper = the site admin) i agree, there's too much hate in music. respect others' tastes, ffs

This site is so huge and powerful (in terms of fans and members) that I guarantee, if it wasn't for TA and us talking about and sharing music, record sales (at least in the electronica genre) would be lower than what they are today - so the RIAA can kiss my ass. And if they do decide to go after Swamper just because some us here want to simply talk about file-sharing - which is NOT illegal - I'll fully fund Swamper's defence and fight those guys to the end, as I'm sure many, many other loyal TA's would be willing to do (well, whatever they can anyway )

Ok that was off topic -back to you folks!

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Originally posted by Buddhistics This site is so huge and powerful (in terms of fans and members) that I guarantee, if it wasn't for TA and us talking about and sharing music, record sales (at least in the electronica genre) would be lower than what they are today - so the RIAA can kiss my ass. And if they do decide to go after Swamper just because some us here want to simply talk about file-sharing - which is NOT illegal - I'll fully fund Swamper's defence and fight those guys to the end, as I'm sure many, many other loyal TA's would be willing to do (well, whatever they can anyway ) Ok that was off topic -back to you folks!

file-sharing of copyrighted material is illegal in most countries.

we do talk about mp3s a bit if you notice, but we can't cross the line of posting download links or asking "WHERE DO I GET MP3ZZZZZ"

I have to say that I like almost any genre of music. Every genre has songs that I like, and songs that I don't - including trance! All this stuff about people that hate certain genres makes me think that those people are narrow minded - I bet most people that like rock and hate electronic have never even tried listening to electronica.
Myself, I like anything from trance, to rock, chill-out, pop (well some...), r&b, d&b, house, classical...

i respect all honest music. i don't want to attempt to explain to you what "honest music" means to me, but you can take a guess. music that is not honest warrants a word even as strong as "hate" for anyone passionate about music in general.
often people use hate just to differentiate what they like and everything that does not fit in. this i agree is mad!

by the way, i would never go so far as to hate a "genre" (even if i hate all at the acts i know of that genre )

with ONE exception: COUNTRY MUSIC

I listen to Stevie Wonder.. then i put on some Black Sabbath.. then I play some Deep Dish.. then i flip it to The Roots... then I play Led Zeppelin... then Sander K plays Sacred... after that I hear Kai Tracid.. and then Ray Charles... and then some Brother Ali....

and its like that every day....

Wow i def got some interesting view points! I think the guy who mentioned eliteism had it on the money-its simply mankinds superiority complex in effect. It makes me sick really, its one thing to say to each their own ill listen to what i want, but who hasnt sat in their car bumping trance and had some ghetto suv on stereotypical gigantic chrome rims pull up bumping some recycled crap about "mah bling bling" and ho's and 22's and all that shit, only to look at them and have them sneer? Like theyre better than us? I cant stand that. At least my music is intelligent! Hip-hop has been killed by greed, and im thankful trance is still more or less underground here in the states. Its been my experience music dies when its not made by passionate people, and when you can make millions by having one lousy song hit the mainstream, you no longer see genuine productions, in any genre. Ive noticed the eliteism here as well, people LOVE to bash tiesto. Why? Im sure people think they have reasos, but do they really? Ive always loved his music, and anytime i have people in my car who dont know trance, if i play diff dj's they always like tiesto best. Ive seen him live every chance i had, and ive loved his performances every damn time. So why is it so trendy to knock him? Does that make you part of the in crowd or something? And its those sorts of things i cant stand. Music should join us, bring us together. How can someoen who likes rap knock electronic music? What is rap? Are the beats live drums? Think not! Rap is as electronic as anything else. It sickening. Oh yeah the secret societies dont exist to make the members feel superior, theyre there because they know things we dont, and for the most part, cant. Just my opinions of course, as always Long live tiesto!!!!!!!

people tend to just hate on either what they dont know or dont like.

If you know what a real DJ is, Tiesto seems foolish to you.

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Originally posted by Radagast If you know what a real DJ is, Tiesto seems foolish to you.

Ok explain. There are enough people on here that seem to feel the same way that i really want to know why you would say that. What he cant mix? Cant pick good tracks? Isnt a good producer? Doesnt do good live shows? Please someone explain this to me. EVery time ive seen him he has been the only dj of the night to spin on only vinyl, ive not once seen him spin on a cd or laptop. So where are you coming from?

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Originally posted by knowname EVery time ive seen him he has been the only dj of the night to spin on only vinyl, ive not once seen him spin on a cd or laptop. So where are you coming from?

Are you insinuating that he's a better DJ because you've only seen him use vinyl?

i dont think using vinyl or cds makes the dj at all its the flow of the mix that makes a dj skillfulect. and i agree there is alot of hate in music but you cant all say you love all music cause i doubt u do, like me i dont like rap at all and i think metal is crap but everyone has there own views.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 Are you insinuating that he's a better DJ because you've only seen him use vinyl?

Erm no, but i give him props for it. All im saying is his mixes are awesome, his mixing is awesome, his live shows are great, so much energy, nearly flawless IMO. Why do so many people knock him? That said i do miss the old days, TE2000 and magic 6 live on in infamy. Cmon tijs, play like you used to!

I personally do not like Tiesto, he just doesn't flow for me. But then again, i don't lsiten to him much.

About the hate thing, people like to hate on different types of music simply because it makes them feel superior. Really it's all about social dynamics and such. The way i see it, each genre of music generally represents some form of sub-culture. When you're viewing one culture from the outside, you tend to think of yours as better. I forgot what the scientific term is, something like cultural bias I think, but it really is a proven fact among people and groups of people. Anyway, people have a need to feel better then other people because they are insecure. Music is just another arena for the fight.

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