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"Shove it" - Heniz-Kerry
I've actually heard from many pro-Kerry individuals that they believe Mrs. Heinz-Kerry could be a real pain in the butt for the Kerry election campaign. She's not a "people person," she doesn't speak well, she's reported to be a roaring bitch and to alienate herself further from the die-hard American population she has an accent and is not native born. Supposedly that is why we have seen so little of Mrs. Heinz-Kerry thus far in the election, they're afraid she could turn into a liability.
What do you think? How much weight can the first lady carry (both positive and negative) in an election?
The Story.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/...4353275,00.html
If Dick Cheney can tell a senator to "go fuck himself" without any significant repurcussions, then I don't believe this incident in itself will be an issue. As for Mrs Kerry in general, would you really think that the disposition of the candidate's wife could ever be a major issue? Has it ever been?
(I'm not being rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious.)
Warning: liberal-bias comin' out:
Is it always a thorn in the side for conservatives to have an outspoken, strong-willed wife of a liberal President (or Presidential candidate)?
Times have changed. Women don't always slide nicely and dutifully right up to their husbands the way that Laura Bush so eagerly does.
\liberal-bias rant
Truthfully, no I don't see a wife of a Presidential candidate to be much of an issue in the first place, but from what I've seen of Teresa Heinz-Kerry I like and respect. I'm not sure how she could be seen as a liability - the only people I've heard that from are the conservative radio/TV commentators and op-ed pieces.
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| Originally posted by Renegade As for Mrs Kerry in general, would you really think that the disposition of the candidate's wife could ever be a major issue? Has it ever been? (I'm not being rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious.) |
Politics aside, she's a bitch. I dare say she's got Kerry by the puppet strings. I saw an interview of the two of them right after Kerry picked Edwards for his running mate--they were asking Tereeeeza what she thought of Kerry's choice and she hesitated for a moment, kind of glanced at Kerry, and then replied with something to the effect of "If I had a serious problem with it, he'd know."
And I was left wondering exactly who was running for office, let alone who was wearing the pants in that family(as if it's not obvious!). She creeps me out.
I heard that Cheney got a hard on and was batting her puppy dog eyes after she told that reporter to shove it.
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| Originally posted by occrider I heard that Cheney got a hard on and was batting her puppy dog eyes after she told that reporter to shove it. |
There are different ways to say profanity, out of sarcasm, anger, arrogance, etc and I think cheny and her profanity came out differently.
She seems like a snobby bitch to me but it really doesn't matter in the end. This isn't a presidential wife campaign.
Mmmm I saw a totally different article, that actually praises Ms. Heniz compared to the current First Lady.. therefore, they fear Ms.Heinz...
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| Kerry's Wife Teresa: an Unusual Political Spouse BOSTON (Reuters) - Worth an estimated $500 million, born in Mozambique, fluent in five languages, outspoken and "sexy," Teresa Heinz Kerry is not your average political spouse. The wife of Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry also runs a $2 billion foundation named after her late husband, Republican Sen. John Heinz of Pennsylvania, and occasionally bakes her special brownies for the campaign press corps. She is known to close friends as "Momma T," only recently added Kerry's name to hers and changed her party affiliation to Democratic out of anger at the way Republicans treated Vietnam veteran Max Cleland during his unsuccessful re-election bid to a U.S. Senate seat from Georgia in 2002. "I'm cheeky; I'm sexy, whatever," she told CBS in a recent interview. "You know, I've got a lot of life inside." On the campaign trail, the 5-foot-5-inch Heinz Kerry introduces her lanky husband -- who stands almost a foot taller -- in a soft, accented voice. Often Kerry asks for the sound to be turned up. She alludes to her background, the daughter of a doctor raised under a repressive dictatorship in the Portuguese colony of Mozambique and schooled in racially segregated South Africa. "Places where I come from, people didn't vote," she said recently in Raleigh, North Carolina, campaigning with the newly named vice presidential candidate John Edwards and his wife Elizabeth, whom she helped "figure out what clothes you need." Heinz Kerry, 65, admits she is hardly the stereotypical political wife, but says if voters could not accept her, she would have heard about it by now. She can be outspoken, disclosing her Botox injections, the 20 pounds she says she has gained on the campaign trail, her prenuptial agreement with Kerry and the fact that he was in the shower when he got word of his early wins in the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. She is wealthy from her marriage to Heinz, the heir to the Pittsburgh ketchup empire who died in a plane crash and who, she said, was "kind enough to even introduce me to John (Kerry) the day before he was killed." MERGED FAMILIES When she and the senator from Massachusetts married at her multimillion dollar waterfront estate in Nantucket in 1995, two families were instantly melded. Heinz Kerry has three grown sons. Tall, dark and handsome, Chris, 31, was recently named one of People magazine's 50 hottest bachelors. The most politically active of the children, he quit a job at a New York equity firm to join his stepfather's campaign. Andre Heinz, 34, lives in Sweden, where he is an environmental consultant. He has made a few campaign appearances. John Heinz IV, 37, a blacksmith and teacher who lives in Pennsylvania, has shunned the limelight. Kerry has two daughters from his first marriage, which ended in divorce. Alexandra, 30, just graduated from film school in Los Angeles, and Vanessa, 27, is studying medicine at Harvard. Both are single and campaign frequently, both with their father and on their own. Heinz Kerry plans to keep working at the family's philanthropic network if her husband becomes president "because I am allowed to and I will. I would dry up if I didn't." "I don't want a public policy job," she told Reuters in an interview earlier this year. Nevertheless, she said she was "a sounding board" for her husband on his selection of Edwards, a former rival for the Democratic presidential nomination and a one-term senator from North Carolina, to fill out the Democratic ticket. "Her input is important on everything," Kerry told CNN's "Larry King Live." "First of all, she's smart as a whip. Secondly, she's got as much common sense ... (as) everybody that I've ever met." But the man who will face President Bush in the Nov. 2 election quickly disabused the audience of the notion that Heinz Kerry would be involved in policy matters. "She doesn't want to be a policy adviser," he said. "She wants to be my wife." 07/25/04 15:29 ET Copyright 2004 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. |
And Neophone, to answer to that "shove it " comment.. well, that conservative reporter was making up a false image of her by saying that she said something with "un-american" .. she then told him twice, " I did not Say that, I Did Not say that".. and then she came back to him, and told him to stop making up stuff, and to shove it..
Smart I would say, who wouldnt get mad to made up crap to destroy your image?
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| Updated: 11:43 AM EDT Heinz Kerry Tells Reporter to 'Shove It' By PETER JACKSON, AP BOSTON (July 26) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry doesn't have a problem with his wife telling an insistent journalist to ''shove it'' when urged to explain her plea for more civility in politics. Neither does Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. ''I think my wife speaks her mind appropriately,'' Kerry told reporters Monday when asked about the exchange between his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, and the editorial page editor of the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Asked about the response on CNN's ''American Morning,'' Clinton said Monday, ''A lot of Americans are going to say, 'Good for you, you go, girl,' and that's certainly how I feel about it.'' Heinz Kerry attended a Massachusetts Statehouse reception Sunday night for fellow Pennsylvanians, telling them, ''We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics.'' She criticized the tenor of modern political campaigns without being specific. Minutes later, the Tribune-Review's Colin McNickle questioned Heinz Kerry on what she meant by the term ''un-American,'' according to a tape of the encounter recorded by Pittsburgh television station WTAE. Heinz Kerry said ''I didn't say that'' several times to McNickle. She then turned to confer with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and others. When she faced McNickle again a short time later, he continued to question her, and she replied: ''You said something I didn't say. Now shove it.'' A spokeswoman for Heinz Kerry later said, ''This was sheer frustration aimed at a right-wing rag that has consistently and purposely misrepresented the facts in reporting on Mrs. Kerry and her family.'' Vice President Dick Cheney recently came under criticism for using a four-letter obscenity in an exchange with Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., on the Senate floor. He later was unapologetic about the remark, saying: ''I felt better after I said it." 07-26-04 1130EDT Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. |
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| Originally posted by LiquidX And Neophone, to answer to that "shove it " comment.. well, that conservative reporter was making up a false image of her by saying that she said something with "un-american" .. she then told him twice, " I did not Say that, I Did Not say that".. and then she came back to him, and told him to stop making up stuff, and to shove it.. Smart I would say, who wouldnt get mad to made up crap to destroy your image? |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono The thing is...she did say that. This is a direct quote of what she said preceeding the question. "We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics." |
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| Originally posted by LiquidX True, but my "guess" is that the reporter was making it seem in other way that she did not meant it to be.. ?? |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono The thing is...she did say that. This is a direct quote of what she said preceeding the question. "We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics." |
finally a woman with guts....lol
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| Originally posted by occrider I heard that Cheney got a hard on and was batting her puppy dog eyes after she told that reporter to shove it. |
the fact alone that she is foreign born can be very hazardous to his campaing.
>JM<
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| Originally posted by JM the fact alone that she is foreign born can be very hazardous to his campaing. >JM< |
Oh for the day when we can simply answer reporters with a swift kick to the crotch.
you go girl.
I think that JFK would be better off single in this election than with Heinz. I think shes going to be the cause of a lot of his problems.
And about the incident, I guess that reporter has actually been after her on other topics for a while now, asking her personal questions and whatnot, and she just got fed up with him. Although, she really did say that and should have taken the higher road...
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| Originally posted by JM the fact alone that she is foreign born |
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| http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ar...4_07/004377.php The "reporter" in question was Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the Scaife-owned Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. If you want to know why Mrs. Kerry might have a beef with Mr. McNickle, you can read part of the answer here: the Tribune-Review editorial page has been on a disgusting and dishonest jihad against the Heinz Endowments for nearly a year. He's lucky that a fleeting tonguelashing is all he got. |
Some more stories and op-eds on Scaife. Quite the interesting sort of liar really:
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| The Scaife Strategy: Smother Teresa By Max Blumenthal, AlterNet Posted on July 29, 2004, Printed on July 29, 2004 http://www.alternet.org/story/19389/ Colin McNickle did not enter the Democratic Convention as an ordinary reporter. As the editorial page editor for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, a newspaper owned by eccentric rightist billionaire Richard Mellon-Scaife, McNickle came to Boston as an agent provocateur. "What happens when a conservative commentator infiltrates the Democratic National Convention?" the Tribune-Review asked in pre-convention promotion of McNickle's coverage. McNickle answered that question on Sunday, July 25 by provoking a spat with Teresa Heinz-Kerry. The dustup occurred after Heinz-Kerry gave a speech to the Pennsylvania delegation denouncing "some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics." McNickle approached her and asked what she meant by "un-American activities," in effect accusing her of McCarthyism. Heinz-Kerry denied using the phrase "un-American activities" and stormed off. Yet when Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell pointed out to her that McNickle was a reporter from the Tribune-Review, Heinz-Kerry returned to him with a rebuke. "You're from the Tribune Review?" she asked McNickle with a face tightened with rage. "That's understandable. You said something I didn't say. Now shove it." Most of the mainstream press characterized the incident as The New York Times' Jim Rutenberg did: another example of "Teresa being Teresa." For them, the dustup was a resounding confirmation that their hastily scrawled sketch of an incurable free spirit who was filling John Kerry's campaign coffers while draining his political fortunes was an accurate one. However, there is much more to it than that. McNickle's provocation of Heinz-Kerry represents the latest manifestation of a poisonous dirty tricks campaign Scaife has financed to undermine Heinz-Kerry, a fellow Western Pennsylvania philanthropist whom he considers his rival. And now that Heinz-Kerry has been thrust into the national spotlight by her husband's presidential candidacy, Scaife's smears are likely to intensify. "The dust-up between Teresa Heinz-Kerry and Colin McNickle has a long history behind it that goes back a good 15 years before McNickle even worked there," said Dennis Roddy, a columnist for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, who has covered Pennsylvania politics for over 30 years. "Scaife has had it in for [Heinz Kerry] because she's not sufficiently conservative, she's a moderate voice. She has always felt badly treated by the Tribune-Review and it doesn't surprise me that her grievances finally came out." The Tribune-Review routinely sniped at Teresa Heinz during her marriage to Pennsylvania's Republican former Senator John Heinz. When the senator died in 1991, and the Massachusetts Junior Senator John Kerry stole Teresa's heart, the paper's attacks grew increasingly slanderous. On December 28, 1997, the paper featured an anonymously penned cover story falsely insinuating that a woman named Sheila Lawrence had had affairs with both Bill Clinton and Kerry. "Far from giving all to Bill, there was still something left over for Sen. John Kerry," who had "a very private tete-a-tete" with "sexy Sheila," the columnist alleged. In another column, the Tribune-Review mocked John Kerry as "Mr. Teresa Heinz." Perhaps the most spurious of the Tribune-Review's attacks came in December, 2003, when it ran a piece accusing Heinz-Kerry of secretly "funneling cash" from her Heinz Endowment to the Tides Foundation, a group that "supports extreme left wing groups... anti-war protests... unlimited abortion rights, gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender advocacy, as well as and [sic] environmental extremism." The piece was based on research conducted by the right-wing think tank Capital Research Center, yet failed to mention that Scaife granted the center $240,000 in 2002 or that he was connected to it in any way. The article also omitted the fact that the Heinz Foundation's grants were all strictly earmarked for mainstream Western Pennsylvania environmental charities, an inexcusable omission that could have been avoided if the paper had bothered to call either the Heinz Foundation or the Tides Foundation to confirm its wild claims. Despite the article's shoddy research, its accusations became a favorite tune on the right's Mighty Wurlitzer. FrontPageMagazine plugged it in a piece called, "Teresa Heinz-Kerry: Bag Lady of the Radical Left;" The New York Post followed with the headline, "Teresa Heinz's Cash Connection;" Rush Limbaugh promoted the claims; the Weekly Standard picked the story up. By the time FOX's Brit Hume reported the accusations, they had been brushed clean of Scaife's fingerprints. For the past 10 years, the point man in Scaife's anti-Heinz attack campaign has been Colin McNickle, a brash ideologue who has shaped the Tribune-Review's editorial page into a forum for some of the most fanatical currents of right-wing thought. Characteristic examples of McNickle's work include the anonymous obituary he commissioned of Catherine Graham which implied she murdered her husband, Philip Graham, in order to seize control of The Washington Post; his endorsement of the anti-immigrant border-patrolling Arizona militia leader, Chris Simcox; his routine references to Gov. Ed Rendell as a "socialist;" his penchant for quoting the Austrian aristocrat and conservative intellectual pioneer, Friedrich Von Hayek (perhaps Hayek's ideas were the "un-American traits" Heinz-Kerry referred to in her speech on Sunday). And there is also the fact that the Tribune-Review is the only newspaper in America which publishes columns by White nationalist author Sam Francis, a self-avowed "racialist" whose views are so extreme he was fired by the Washington Times. McNickle has also displayed a disregard for journalistic ethics throughout his career. His chronic carelessness was most apparent in his July, 2000, column, "Thus (Mis)Speaketh Al," a collection of imbecilic quotes by then-presidential candidate Al Gore. Though the article was laugh-out-loud funny, there was one small problem: the statements McNickle attributed to Gore were actually quotes by former Vice President Dan Quayle. Yet even after his mistake was exposed, McNickle refused to give an inch. "I'll stand by where we got the information from," McNickle told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Despite McNickle's dubious background, since his dustup with Heinz-Kerry he has managed to convince the networks and mainstream press that he is a humble, workaday reporter victimized by "an arrogant, contentious billionaire," in the words of CNN's Bob Novak. In an interview on CNN on July 26, Anderson Cooper allowed McNickle to describe the Tribune-Review as "a very objective, middle-of-the-road paper" without a challenge. Later that evening on MSNBC, The New York Daily News' ever-credulous gossip columnist Lloyd Grove described McNickle as "just a reporter who's toiled in the past for the newswires UPI and AP." The following day McNickle innocently told Grove, "I'm a little uncomfortable with all the attention I'm getting. I'm here to report the news, not make it." If Grove had only done a quick search for McNickle's clips, he may have discovered what an absurd statement that was. Scaife's dirty tricks campaign against Teresa Heinz-Kerry is not without precedent. Indeed, it bears ominous echoes to the Arkansas Project, the $2.4 million dollar dirty tricks campaign Scaife financed during the 1990's to paint Bill and Hillary Clinton as drug dealers, thieves and murderers which included paying "sources" for information that turned out to be false. Then as now, the spurious accusations germinated in Scaife's smear factory are eagerly broadcast by the right-wing punditocracy and naively entertained by a gossip-starved mainstream press terrified of appearing to affect any liberal bias. And just as Hillary was initially derided by the press for claiming she was the victim of "a vast right-wing conspiracy," Heinz-Kerry is ridiculed for standing up to one of Scaife's hatchet men. Nevertheless, Teresa Heinz Kerry's dustup with Colin McNickle is an encouraging sign. Because like Hillary, Teresa Heinz Kerry has a keen awareness of who her enemies are and by telling them to "shove it," she has demonstrated the courage to stand up to them. � 2004 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved. View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/19389/ |
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| Scaife's hired hack deserved Teresa's ire Joe Conason - The New York Observer 07.28.04 - BOSTON -- For an intelligent, outspoken woman in politics who finds herself buffeted by the whims and moods of the national press corps, there is always a choice of descriptive phrases. When she chooses her words with caution, she may be "perfectly poised" but risks being dismissed as "overly scripted." If she speaks her mind, she could be praised as "refreshingly candid," but will more likely be denounced as "out of control." This is a rigged journalistic game, played most ferociously by reporters and pundits who are adhering studiously to their own predetermined narratives. In the case of Teresa Heinz Kerry, many in the media determined that she was trouble long before they even had a glimpse of her. Smart and dedicated, wealthy and opinionated, globally conscious and foreign-born, Ms. Heinz Kerry isn't the typical political spouse our parochial press is accustomed to covering. So they were waiting for her to say something like what she said on July 25, after a reception for Democratic delegates from her home state of Pennsylvania. That was when she told an editorial writer for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review to "shove it." Now the use of such direct language by a politician's wife is no doubt shocking to the sensibilities of most journalists, especially the older male contingent. It's one thing for the Republican Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates to berate a reporter as an "asshole" when they think nobody is listening, as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney did four years ago, or for the Vice President to growl "Go fuck yourself" on the Senate floor, as Mr. Cheney did a few weeks ago. Boys will be boys, even into late middle age, but girls must ever remain passive and demure. "Who's in charge of keeping her on message?" demanded David Broder of The Washington Post. Surely that's a fair question for a campaign that doesn't want the spouse creating distractions for the candidate. But it is also fair to ask why she rounded on the man from the Tribune-Review. The innocuously-named newspaper has long served as the weapon of Richard Mellon Scaife, its founder and publisher. His name is now synonymous with the campaign of hate and calumny focused on the Clintons during the 1990's, but to Ms. Heinz Kerry, his methods were familiar long before he achieved any national notoriety. During the decades of her marriage to the late Senator H. John Heinz III, she knew Mr. Scaife as part of the rarefied circle of very rich local families whose names adorn museum galleries and university buildings. Although both men were Republicans, Heinz tended to be moderate and occasionally even liberal, while Mr. Scaife was increasingly conservative, attracted to conspiracy theories and aggressive extremism. Years before her first husband's death in 1991, Teresa Heinz came to feel that Mr. Scaife had misused his newspaper to punish her and her husband for dissenting from right-wing Republican orthodoxy. Since her marriage to John Kerry in 1995, the hostility of the Scaife press and the outfits funded by Scaife foundations toward her has been nothing short of vicious. A few days after the Massachusetts Senator and his wife celebrated their second Christmas together, the Tribune-Review ran a column suggesting that Mr. Kerry had been enjoying a "very private" relationship with another woman. There was no byline on the story and no evidence to support the salacious insinuation. There was nothing to it, in fact, except pure malice. When fresh accusations about her husband's fidelity erupted earlier this year in the right-wing press, Ms. Heinz Kerry could scarcely have been surprised that the smear's most eager purveyors included Internet sites financed by Mr. Scaife and his family foundations. Those "news sources" have also impugned Mr. Kerry's patriotism, maligned his military service and distorted his voting record. They happen to be operated by the same discredited scribblers who once tried to convince America that Bill and Hillary Clinton were murderers and drug smugglers. Meanwhile, Ms. Kerry herself is hardly exempt from the angry fantasies emanating from Mr. Scaife's strange universe. Last spring, a Scaife-funded "research group" sent out a study that accused her of covertly financing violent radicals of various kinds, including Islamists, through the straitlaced Heinz foundations that she controls. There was absolutely no basis for that tale -- as the right-wing sleuths could have learned by making a single phone call. The Heinz money they had "traced" through a San Francisco group had actually gone in its entirety to support anti-pollution projects in Pennsylvania. Those are only a few brief examples among dozens. The Scaife disinformation conglomerate has churned out nastiness about Ms. Heinz Kerry by the carload for years, and finally she talked back. The guy she scorched last Sunday was meant to take that message back to his boss in Pittsburgh -- a man who has deserved the brunt of such refreshing candor for a long, long time. COPYRIGHT (c) 2004 THE NEW YORK OBSERVER URL: http://www.workingforchange.com/art...fm?itemid=17376 |
Right wing extremists.. the scariest of them all
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