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Kerry's acceptance speech

So his big speech is tonight...
Who's watching? What are your thoughts/expectations?

Conventions are interesting because the party focuses on their perceived (usually rightfully so) weaknesses. for example:

Republicans in 2000 - "Compassionate Conservativism". Who were they kidding? Conservatives aren't compassionate!

Democrats in 2004 - Talking about the need to unite, to not be divisive....talking about how Dems are strong on defense. I guess theyre hoping people forget that they've spent the last 4 years whipping half the country into hatred of George Bush (i.e. being divisive), and have been weak on national defense for over 30 years.

Republicans in 2004 (?) - I bet theyre gonna try to focus on how wonderfully things are going in Iraq, and also try to show how inclusive and accepting they are. See, social moderates like Arnold Schwarzeneggar are gonna speak?

Right, but what about all the "Party of God" people? Rick Santorum? Tom DeLay"?

In other words, the points the parties try to make at conventions are exactly what those parties are bad at (is my hypothesis).

kerry's first big spotlight, hope he doesn't mess it up. then again he's against W.

I believe the Republican Convention will focus on bashing and trashing the name Kerry and Edwards... something the DNC has not done actually. Is been a very positive and fresh campaign from their side.. which is rather nice, instead of seen all the negative campaign put out by The Bush administration.

I think Kerry will focus on defense, and will show his agenda.. so people.. all those that dont know where he stands, it'll be rather nice if you see him tonite.. that so, I dont have to see any other comment on " I dont know where Kerry stands" , that to get away from teh Right Wing propaganda for once.


Im very interested on who will be at the republican convention.. latinos? blacks? .. and who?!?!.. They said they got some Democratic senator from somewhere.. ( the comeback from Ronald Reagan speaking in favor of Democrats.. what a stab to the republicans that was eh ? )

Maybe Kerry will actually mention a word about HIS policy. So far hes pointed out a lot of wrong with no concrete ways to fix anything.

he will, although it won't be much different from the commander in chief's

this party line is so schizophrenic. it's sickening.

a crisis of identity.

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Originally posted by Q5echo he will, although it won't be much different from the commander in chief's this party line is so schizophrenic. it's sickening. a crisis of identity.

So what does that indicate? Despite partisan bickering in the Pol forum and throughout the US the political machine has flaws?

This is likely one of the main issues that concerns me, and isnt very likely to get much better. How do you convince the public that it isnt just a popularity contest when that is all it boils down to?

Repubs like Nader cause they think his being nominated fucks the Dems - Dems bitch on the same platform.

How about electing the parties for the issues - rather than the most expensive figurehead such that the character can change and flip flop ************|

it was a very vague statement. i'm just a little bored with it right now.

I thought it was an excellent speech..

I know why his speech sucked. He spent all of his time getting an enema at Cape Canaveral.

I like how he mentioned the middle class and helping them, because the middle class usually gets screwed. Poor people get help with financial problems and rich people usually have a lot of money to pay up, but the middle class get no financial aid and sometimes struggle to pay off things like college.

I also liked how he mentioned how he will stop the outsourcing problem. A lot of people, especially engineers in this country are unemployed and can't get jobs because big techy companies want to save money a get richer by hiring people across seas to do the same job for really cheap.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint I also liked how he mentioned how he will stop the outsourcing problem. A lot of people, especially engineers in this country are unemployed and can't get jobs because big techy companies want to save money a get richer by hiring people across seas to do the same job for really cheap.

There is no way to solve the outsourcing "problem." It's simple economics...if you know of a way (or Kerry for that matter), I'd love to hear it, because it would be genius if it worked.

Clearly, one of the best speeches I have ever heard. I didn't think anybody would surpass Obama's and Clinton's speech, But Kerry's speech completely made me forget about them. Before, I was like, anybody but Bush. But now I can proudly say that I will vote for Kerry.

below are some of my favourite lines from the speech:

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My friends, the high road may be harder, but it leads to a better place. And that's why Republicans and Democrats must make this election a contest of big ideas, not small-minded attacks. This is our time to reject the kind of politics calculated to divide race from race, group from group, region from region. Maybe some just see us divided into red states and blue states, but I see us as one America -- red, white and blue.

The delivery on the below lines was just astonishing.

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What if we find a breakthrough to cure Parkinson's, diabetes, Alzheimer's and AIDs? What if we have a president who believes in science, so we can unleash the wonders of discovery like stem cell research to treat illness and save millions of lives? What if we do what adults should do -- and make sure all our children are safe in the afternoons after school? And what if we have a leadership that's as good as the American dream -- so that bigotry and hatred never again steal the hope and future of any American?

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Originally posted by imokruok I know why his speech sucked. He spent all of his time getting an enema at Cape Canaveral.

Very smart post .. keep it up!

Yeah, I can't wait to see how long this "peaceful" campaigning goes. The second Kerry drops behind in the polls or sees his chances fading, watch out for flying mud.

And this stem cell research thing really disturbs me. I majored in biology during my undergrad years and I am now doing graduate studies in this very field. Here's the thing. You can do the exact same kind of "life saving" research with stem cells from umbilical cords. The only thing you can't do with umbilical stem cells is clone. That's it. The whole issue f-ing up research on stem cells is that scientists want to have access to fetal stem cells "just in case" (and I do quote), they wish to clone. It's a very sad deadlock at both a scientific and political level, and one the general population does not understand very well. Including Kerry, apparently.

Im sure the Rep Convention will be much more negative and a miracle will occur and they capture bin laden during it or something.
It's ok- i think the negative will backfire on them and just move the swing voters to Kerry.

They already captured a "top level" al queda member 3-4 days ago apparently and they just release it yesterday- how convenient.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Im sure the Rep Convention will be much more negative and a miracle will occur and they capture bin laden during it or something. It's ok- i think the negative will backfire on them and just move the swing voters to Kerry. They already captured a "top level" al queda member 3-4 days ago apparently and they just release it yesterday- how convenient.

My sentiments exactly, if people think the Republicans won't stoop to mudslinging just wait and see. New York will look like a mudslide before they are through. Its sadly all that they have left to engage in, they have no vision, positive message or clear strategy for America's future short of the corrupt path that they are now on. How can any decent American believe that what America's standing is today is somehow okay is besides me. No administration has caused so much harm to America' image in its history as this one has done and in today's world image is important to help overcome the terrrorists, unless we are willing to invade every nation

Four more years of Bush/Cheney will be four more years of negativism, the continued War on Terror(day after day after day) that we have to listen to, probably more huge tax cuts for the wealthy and as always the coursive arrogance of this adminstration in dealing with others at home and abroad. Where is our crediblity in dealing with North Korea and Iran and to a lesser extent Cuba. Few nations are willing to support our positions any longer because they have no trust in the Bush administration and its motives. Simply remember no man is an island unto himself indeed.

I'd like to say he did an ok job, but like Kerry typically does--he put me to sleep, so I missed a lot here and there. Like most political speeches it sounded like a lot of hooha and pie-crust promises. I've yet to hear him say how he actually plans to accomplish any of his goals. Just paint a pretty picture, get people excited, and pass the buck for another 4 years. He could've promised guv'ment cheese for everyone and the crowd still would've gone nuts.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

Nice photoshop, Imokurok!

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Originally posted by Shakka I'd like to say he did an ok job, but like Kerry typically does--he put me to sleep, so I missed a lot here and there.

I don't think I've heard one pundit say that they rate his speech as the best, which is sort of a bad thing. Obama, Clinton, and Edwards all had far more charisma, and it appeared to overshadow Kerry's moment in the sun. Now, of course everyone here's entitled to their own opinion on how good his speech was or wasn't, but Zogby's reporting today that polling during the convention shows no bounce whatsoever for the campaign. If Clinton didn't perk up the voters, monotone John didn't either.

What absolutely floors me is how people can say the convention did nothing but preach for unity among Americans. "Oh, they will bring us all together!" Apparently, those people missed John Edwards' speech, which was 1960's class warfare to the core. There's two Americas? Really? Sorry...it just so happens that the US has the world's wealthiest middle class, that's far better off than Edwards wanted it to appear. And if there really are two Americas, and they are trying to unify the country, what are they doing to secure the votes of both Americas? It was the most divisive address I've heard at a convention in my lifetime, except perhaps for Buchanan's in 1992, which I enjoyed, but was quite a bit too conservative for the entire country to digest.

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Nice photoshop, Imokurok!

Can't take credit for this one, but I love it.

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Originally posted by imokruok What absolutely floors me is how people can say the convention did nothing but preach for unity among Americans. "Oh, they will bring us all together!" Apparently, those people missed John Edwards' speech, which was 1960's class warfare to the core. There's two Americas? Really? Sorry...it just so happens that the US has the world's wealthiest middle class, that's far better off than Edwards wanted it to appear. And if there really are two Americas, and they are trying to unify the country, what are they doing to secure the votes of both Americas? It was the most divisive address I've heard at a convention in my lifetime, except perhaps for Buchanan's in 1992, which I enjoyed, but was quite a bit too conservative for the entire country to digest.

I find it rather ironic that you ask what the Democrats are doing to unify the "two Americas" can't the same question be asked of the Republicans, or do you believe that there is no such concept as two America's. Moreover the most divisive address, you cannot be serious. In the world's richest nation, with one of the best healthcare systems why is it that so many Americans are uninsured and have to go to emergency rooms just for a doctor visit, why are so many senior citizens having to order their prescriptions from Canada if they are able to do so, why is it that we are still discussing the issue of education when Bush said "No Child Left Behind" his philosophy should be "No Corportation Left Behind"

Whether you realize it or not these are core issues to many Americans and taken seriously, not just "War on Terror" I am still waiting for one Bush supporter to state his policies that have improved this country and brought us closer together, or is it a philosophy that is not to be too concerned with. How suited that would be for such a divisive administration. Its just a reflection of their overall attitude since coming to office in dealing with others.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan In the world's richest nation, with one of the best healthcare systems why is it that so many Americans are uninsured and have to go to emergency rooms just for a doctor visit, why are so many senior citizens having to order their prescriptions from Canada if they are able to do so...

Because they have been conditioned to believe that it is their implicit right to have these things and that it is their government's obligation to provide it for them at no cost.

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Originally posted by Shakka Because they have been conditioned to believe that it is their implicit right to have these things and that it is their government's obligation to provide it for them at no cost.

Well if they are the working poor, living on every paycheck, still pays their taxes should they not have decent healthcare in their own nation. You make it sound like its a bunch of welfare crackheads that are knocking at the doctors door for free healthcare. I'm sure you are smarter than that to realize that many Americans are hardworking and still cannot get a decent healthcare coverage through their jobs and certainly on what they make. I remember a few years ago my mom had surgery for fibrosis and they couldn't wait to kick her out of the hospital bed, the insurance company kept calling and inquiring when she was leaving. Never mind that she was covered through her job at St. Johns University as a custodian or that such a surgery was taxing on her. Thankfully she is okay but it just demonstrates where the priorities lie.

If you can't pay for it then rot for all we care is the impression that I am left with from your statement. Not every American is blessed with a high wage job and access to top notch healthcare. Frankly there are animals in America that get better healthcare than some tax paying citizens, what a shame. I think that most Americans can care less about socialism if that's what you are suggesting. The first thing you are asked when you step into the emergency room or see a doctor, What insurance do you have, they can care less what is wrong with you short of you dying. I guess its all wrong to expect decent care when you pay taxes, spoken like a true Bush fan.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Well if they are the working poor, living on every paycheck, still pays their taxes should they not have decent healthcare in their own nation. You make it sound like its a bunch of welfare crackheads that are knocking at the doctors door for free healthcare. I'm sure you are smarter than that to realize that many Americans are hardworking and still cannot get a decent healthcare coverage through their jobs and certainly on what they make. I remember a few years ago my mom had surgery for fibrosis and they couldn't wait to kick her out of the hospital bed, the insurance company kept calling and inquiring when she was leaving. Never mind that she was covered through her job at St. Johns University as a custodian or that such a surgery was taxing on her. Thankfully she is okay but it just demonstrates where the priorities lie. If you can't pay for it then rot for all we care is the impression that I am left with from your statement. Not every American is blessed with a high wage job and access to top notch healthcare. Frankly there are animals in America that get better healthcare than some tax paying citizens, what a shame. I think that most Americans can care less about socialism if that's what you are suggesting. The first thing you are asked when you step into the emergency room or see a doctor, What insurance do you have, they can care less what is wrong with you short of you dying. I guess its all wrong to expect decent care when you pay taxes, spoken like a true Bush fan.

You're making a lot of conclusions based on my comment. True or false: The typical mindset in this country now feels that free healthcare is a right? Somebody has to pay for these things--but is it the implicit obligation of the wealthy to be the babysitters for those less fortunate than them? Sure, it's nice if they voluntarily help, but you can't demand such things at the point of a gun--that's a violation of another person's freedom. Just because someone has more money than you doesn't give you the right to treat them as a punching bag.

And if a person is really sick, they can still go to a hospital and recieve some basic level of healthcare even if they don't have insurance. Doctors adhere to the Hippocratic Oath, which means that their primary duty is to help the sick, not worry about whether they are insured or not. I'm sure a lot of doctors would be more willing to help out for less if they knew they wouldn't have the John Edwards of the world hunting them down after they perform a life saving operation to collect a lottery verdict which in turn raises the cost to all for insurance. Last I checked my homeowners insurance wasn't paid for by the government, why should health insurance be so different?

Charity is fine. Charity at the point of a gun is not fine. I give lots of money to charity, but not because I'm told to, but because I want to. If someone tried to mandate charity, I'd laugh at them and swear to never give their organization money as long as I live.

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Originally posted by imokruok Really? Sorry...it just so happens that the US has the world's wealthiest middle class, that's far better off than Edwards wanted it to appear.

And yes, how proud we are to have the world's wealthiest waiters. How dare Edwards attack the integrity of our precious service-centered middleclass. The democrats speak of improving our foreign policies, yet they say they want to keep large corporations from giving good jobs to hard working Indians. When will this crazy doublespeak ever end?



Anybody know when the debates begin?

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Originally posted by Shakka You're making a lot of conclusions based on my comment. True or false: The typical mindset in this country now feels that free healthcare is a right? Somebody has to pay for these things--but is it the implicit obligation of the wealthy to be the babysitters for those less fortunate than them? Sure, it's nice if they voluntarily help, but you can't demand such things at the point of a gun--that's a violation of another person's freedom. Just because someone has more money than you doesn't give you the right to treat them as a punching bag. And if a person is really sick, they can still go to a hospital and recieve some basic level of healthcare even if they don't have insurance. Doctors adhere to the Hippocratic Oath, which means that their primary duty is to help the sick, not worry about whether they are insured or not. I'm sure a lot of doctors would be more willing to help out for less if they knew they wouldn't have the John Edwards of the world hunting them down after they perform a life saving operation to collect a lottery verdict which in turn raises the cost to all for insurance. Last I checked my homeowners insurance wasn't paid for by the government, why should health insurance be so different? Charity is fine. Charity at the point of a gun is not fine. I give lots of money to charity, but not because I'm told to, but because I want to. If someone tried to mandate charity, I'd laugh at them and swear to never give their organization money as long as I live.

Who made these people wealthy in the first place?
Probably people who couldnt afford health insurance and spent
the money instead on their goods or services.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan If you can't pay for it then rot for all we care is the impression that I am left with from your statement. Not every American is blessed with a high wage job and access to top notch healthcare. Frankly there are animals in America that get better healthcare than some tax paying citizens, what a shame. I think that most Americans can care less about socialism if that's what you are suggesting. The first thing you are asked when you step into the emergency room or see a doctor, What insurance do you have, they can care less what is wrong with you short of you dying. I guess its all wrong to expect decent care when you pay taxes, spoken like a true Bush fan.

Federal law requires emergency rooms to treat patients who come to their facilities. Furthermore, patients can demand to go to the hospital of their choice. Hospitals that offer specific services must accept the patients who need that specialized care. When it comes to non-emergency services, private hospitals have the right to refuse care, however, public hospitals are obliged to provide treatment. It's called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)if you're interested.

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