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Kerry the Dolphin Part 2
Well let me start another thread on this potential new leader that will take over presidency.
We are talking about the guy who never mentioned his senate duty in his speech. Yes the guy who blew by decades from his time in vietnam and jumped straight to today. Why didnt he mention his senate accomplishments? Because the contradict with what he stands for today. We all know what is going on so i wont dwell on that (see war votes)
What i plan to argue is about vietnam veterans. I was listening to a radioshow and then I saw an interview on msnbc about Vietnam war veterans. All came to a conclusion that purple hearts mean shit especially in the vietnam war. We are talking about a man who was in the war for a mere 4months and applied for purple hearts to push his own ambition.
Most veterans do not want to go through the hardship and time consuming efforts to apply for the purple heart.
I quote an individual, "Purple hearts are basically being at the wrong place at the wrong time"
We are talking about John Kerry the man who went into Vietnam with a camcorder and filmed his duties for future political use(in case he ran for office). As well he also went back to battle scenes with his camera and re-enacted the battle scenes to further push his own ambitions for the future in case he ran for political office.
Not to mention that he was a war hero who abandoned his war comrades and came back to the USA to protest the war.
This man doesnt even know who he is, He has even jumped from marriages back and forth.
I mean i understand how Bush signed up for the Coast Guard, but i myself would feel much more proud of a man who decided to do this than a man who went to war for a short time, came back since he recieved what he wanted (purple hearts), and then protested the war. Not to mention all his other flip flops.
I mean Look at Bush, of course he has had his issues but for fuck sake look at his wife, he is married to a librarian. Kerry divorced his first wife for political reasons.
So without further arguments lets loook at :
Kerry's 'Swift Boat' Officers Not Pleased With Use of Photo
This photograph of John Kerry and 19 other Coastal Division 11 Swift boat officers was taken at Ton Sun Nuht Air Base on January 22, 1969, immediately following a meeting with General Abrams and Admiral Zumwalt.
The Kerry campaign featured the photograph in an advertisement released in May titled Lifetime. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth contacted surviving members of this group to find out how many actually support John Kerry, and discovered that of 19 Swift boat skippers pictured other than Kerry, 11 consider him unfit, 4 are neutral, two have died, and 2 are working with the Kerry campaign. Four other officers were not present for the photo session; all oppose Kerry.
Only 2 of John Kerry's 23 fellow Swift boat commanders from Coastal Division 11 support his candidacy today.
Those other officers were never in his group.
Lets also look at his war record in more detail.
Heres a nice Article straight from his war record.
Link
Let me pull out some nice quotes.
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| Mr. Kerry was assigned to Swiftboat 44 on December 1, 1968. Within 24 hours, he had his first Purple Heart. Mr. Kerry accumulated three Purple Hearts in four months with not even a day of duty lost from wounds, according to his training officer. It's a pity one cannot read his Purple Heart medical treatment reports which have been withheld from the public. The only person preventing their release is Mr. Kerry. |
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| By his own admission during those four months, Mr. Kerry continually kept ramming his Swiftboat onto an enemy-held shore on assorted occasions alone and with a few men, killing civilians and even a wounded enemy soldier. One can begin to appreciate Zumwalt's problem with Mr. Kerry as commander of an unarmored craft dependent upon speed of maneuver to keep it and its crew from being shot to pieces. |
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| Mr. Kerry has already confessed his complicity in killing civilians as "accidents of war. "However, he has offered a classic Nuremberg defense that this was not only a commonplace occurrence throughout the Vietnam War, but he was carrying out a policy "with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." |
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| Kerry broadcasts his receiving a "purple heart" medal for three wounds, getting him honorably discharged. In addition he got a gallantry medal for being gunboat captain on the Mekong Delta. Democrats like to underline that Kerry is more commendable than Mr. Bush, the latter copping out of overseas duty by joining the Guard. That obviously says what the Democrats think of those who sign up and serve well in the National Guard. May the Guardsmen and women remember that when it comes to November. |
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| It is the after that phase, which you failed to write about, ending the war. You slandered your own men, Me personally, and every other soldier that wore the uniform . The lives you cost are sickening. Yes John, you have blood on your hands, they are on "The Wall" untold hundreds, 2 MIllion South Vietnamese civilians after we left, 750,000 South Vietnamese to re-education camps and mine clearing, 2 million dead Cambodians in the Killing Fields. CW2 Richard Worthington and others is in a hell hole in Laos or North Vietnam because of your "End The War, and Screw the troops attitudes and politics". You put Money in front of lives, Lies in front of truth, and to me you are a traitor and belong on the same page as Ramsey Clark, MacNamarra, Jane Fonda and others. |
Here's something else to add to this thread. As of today, the #2 seller on Amazon.com is a book by John O'Neill and other swift boat veterans entitled "Unfit For Command."
There are 97 days to the election. How long before people realize the Kerry campaign is a Potemkin village? Will they understand in time, or will it take 4 years and 97 days?
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| Originally posted by imokruok Here's something else to add to this thread. As of today, the #2 seller on Amazon.com is a book by John O'Neill and other swift boat veterans entitled "Unfit For Command." There are 97 days to the election. How long before people realize the Kerry campaign is a Potemkin village? Will they understand in time, or will it take 4 years and 97 days? |
YaY here we go! 
.. keep them coming! 
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AS of flip flop.. Who was the guy Opposed to the 9/11 commission?!?! Bush?!?!.. how, her PRAISES it now.. What?!?! Flip Flop?? WHO?
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| Originally posted by LiquidX YaY here we go! .. keep them coming! .AS of flip flop.. Who was the guy Opposed to the 9/11 commission?!?! Bush?!?!.. how, her PRAISES it now.. What?!?! Flip Flop?? WHO? |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec LOL? why dont you defend Kerry for who he is? |
Oh yeah that's right that little war in Iraq given the ultimate go ahead by our Commander in Cheif(I use the term lightly) hasn't killed any civilians though. He just gave the orders for war right. 
but wait he didn't did he.
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Now that we know Bush is a steadfast, one trick mule, what road is that leading America down, and its nice to see how revered and respected our nation is for our current actions. Wow, oh no civilians were killed by U.S. Soldiers, such a shocking revelation. I simply cannot believe it Oh yeah that's right that little war in Iraq given the ultimate go ahead by our Commander in Cheif(I use the term lightly) hasn't killed any civilians though. He just gave the orders for war right. P.S. How many men who served in Vietnam have criticized the War after coming back home and being reputiated by the public. Ultimately the U.S. ran out of Vietnam because it was a lost cause wether you can admit it or not. Maybe if Bush had fought in Vietnam he might have thought twice as well but wait he didn't did he. |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec LOL? why dont you defend Kerry for who he is? |
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| Originally posted by LiquidX heh.. and I do. Thing is, I have talked and given my poing about Bush and such so many times.. interesting read, but like always, theres always the other side. I heavent read the book, and I heavent seen anything about this.. so I'll get back to you once I know more about this.. Other then that.. Is this the counter-attack tours Kerry?!?! Didnt know you guys feared him so much heh. Like I said, I rather see a Dolphin then that Monkey, arrogant, ignorant, dumb, controled puppy.. someone who I can be proud on calling "President". |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec 2MINUTES AFTER I REPLIED TO YOUR POST and you read 10pages worth of material. sigh. Read the material before you spill your dribble with arguments being stated over and over...over several threads. Most of them bashing BUSH which is a way to defend Kerry's credibility as a soldier who re-enacted battle scenes with a camera?! I guess people dont want to know who kerry really is |
.. looks like you guys dont, even with all the evidence and real facts that many like to defend so strongly and blindly, diverting the real truth..
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec 2MINUTES AFTER I REPLIED TO YOUR POST and you read 10pages worth of material. sigh. Read the material before you spill your dribble with arguments being stated over and over...over several threads. Most of them bashing BUSH which is a way to defend Kerry's credibility as a soldier who re-enacted battle scenes with a camera?! I guess people dont want to know who kerry really is |
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| Originally posted by LiquidX you people do know who Bush is?!?!?! .. looks like you guys dont, even with all the evidence and real facts that many like to defend so strongly and blindly, diverting the real truth.. |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec AHH BUT WAIT BUSH MAY LOOK LIKE, A MONKEY Kerry may act like a flipper But when it comes to looks, Kerry looks like Frankenstein |
of Bush.
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| Originally posted by LiquidX So? Frankenstein is a good guy afterall.. not like the of Bush. You missed something, he looks like a monkey, with a brain that looks like a coconut.. cause I know you aint calling Bush smart right? |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec Remember the movie frankenstein. The director was gay and so was the monster. Also he was a flip flopper Didnt know whether to be good or bad. lol |
Don't you love it when Kerry talks about learning his first "cuss" words sitting on the back of a tractor at age 12?
And how he refers to the "good ol' US of A"?
Of course, we know he learned his first cuss words in french when he attended a swiss boarding school at age 11...
But I Digress. I present to you John Kerry, man of the people:
http://kerry-04.com/about/homes.php
No one has yet to defend Kerry on his so called accomplishments
This goes back to the argument of :
how some people cant talk about one thing and can only talk about the other side..
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec No one has yet to defend Kerry on his so called accomplishments This goes back to the argument of : how some people cant talk about one thing and can only talk about the other side.. |
Stones are being thrown at glass houses indeed.
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Kerry is a flip flopper in your book and two threads have been started on it, when you could have resumed from the first one Stones are being thrown at glass houses indeed. |
Could you please lay out on what issues is he a Flip Flopper please?.
And dont say him voting for war, and then saying he is against it is a flip flop.. hopefully I have to save time and energy on that because is just obvious on the why...
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec Wow creative way to avoid the topic of the thread. In my book you say? Ok then, How is he not a flip flopper then? |
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Well if that is the manner in which you will discuss political statements, let me indulge you, better to be a flip-flopping dolphin one of the most intelligent creatures, than an arrogant, bad vocabulary monkey that can't see past his own ideologies. |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Wait! This could be a good duel. I always thought that while Dolphins are certainly "smart", monkeys were much smarter. I mean, sure--they've trained dolphins to swim in the water with cameras on their heads in search of mines, but they've also trained monkeys to fly airplanes(remember Project X?) This is getting spicy! |
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| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan "creative way to avoid the topic thread" c'mon you're insulting me here. Kerry fought in Vietnam, he didn't agree with the war after he left. I fail to see why he didn't have that right. Anyone who served in combat in Vietnam earned the right to criticize the conflict. They were there, they fought in the battles, they saw the true ground situation with their own eyes and they cannot question the war |
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