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Get Bush Out In November!!

I mistakingly posted this thread in the Funny stuff forum. I got a lot of flak from American TAs, who in my opinion, missed the point completely. So, I'll once again, post it here, in the political forum, and hopefully, we can talk about this subject like mature people, and not like a bunch of kids.

Here's the link: www.georgebush.ca

This site is simply a national petition for Canadians to sign, simply expressing thier concern for the upcoming election in the US.
What the people who replied to my original post of this site didn't realize, is that not only is this election is very important (like all of them) but whoever they elect will always make a huge impact on the rest of the world, especially Canada. Just because Canadians don't live in the US, we definatly have a right to express who we think should be or not be thier presedent. It's up to the Americans to make the smart choice and choose a good leader. A leader who isn't poorly educated, and doesn't cheat to get elected.

The Americans, still being the superpower of the world, need to realize, that with thier bill of rights, comes huge responsibility. One of those responsibilities includes electing a presedent who isn't going to sever ties the US has with other Countries.

Basically, if anyone tells me that, "you're not even american, so STFU" or "this offends me, we shouldn't be told to clean out our trash" YOU'RE FUKKIN STUPID. It's like I said, IT DOES MATTER what WE THINK. Because since that idiot got elected down there, he's done nothing but fight wars and completely forget his own country and fuck us over in big ways. Don't get us wrong. Canadians don't hate you for it. We're actually rooting for you and cheering you on to make the right choice this November. This is actually far more serious than people realize.

And for posting this in the Funny forum a few days back, for that, I do apologize. I'm not sorry for what i posted or what i said, just for where I put it.

-Wrench

I think you're fighting a lost cause. The people most likely to vote for Bush are also those least likely to listen to the opinions of foreigners.

I am american, I had originally wrote out a rant, which consisted of me bitching basically and then I figured it was not worth it. I know where I stand. I think bush needs to get out and the war with Iraq is stupid to a degree. I am friends with an iraqi refugee who works with me. He was there the first time a Bush got in a war there and while he hated it and hates the war now, he hated Saddam more.

I am not saying oil is not the reason America is there along with hundreds of other reasons. I am just saying while the good reason for going is far out weighed by the positives, and to some is a mask for our greed. I would say its easy to sit on the side lines and insult the players for making bad deceisions.

From when this was post before:
Anyone who says "I hate americans" should be dragged in the streets and beat just like any other biggot in the world. There is no differences in your stereotype its just easier and more excepted by the rest of the world.

I hope bush gets voted out I hope green party wins and I hope to move the Europe before I am thirty ahha =). LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!!!!

Every election in our country impacts the rest of the world. So you're saying that just because the rest of the world doesn't like him, it is our duty to vote him out of office? Don't forget half of this country still likes the guy and it may be for reasons foreigners either don't care about or don't care to listen about.

Good Luck in Europe, you'll fit in just fine

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Originally posted by Wrench with thier bill of rights, comes huge responsibility. One of those responsibilities includes electing a presedent who isn't going to sever ties the US has with other Countries.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Every election in our country impacts the rest of the world. So you're saying that just because the rest of the world doesn't like him, it is our duty to vote him out of office? Don't forget half of this country still likes the guy and it may be for reasons foreigners either don't care about or don't care to listen about. Good Luck in Europe, you'll fit in just fine

Who are you talking to, cause if you are talking to me. I already edited my post cause I was just ranting and two. I never made mention of "because the rest of the world does not like him we should vote him out". I am saying I do not like him so I think we should vote him out.

so if you were not talking to me, I agree with your statement in a general sence. Its our country so its our choice. and Half the country likes how he keeps their gas prices low not how he marches over women and children of those who stand against us.

He is a religious zealot who uses his position as a podium to preach to the world about our Righteous mission of freedom. It�s a joke.

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Originally posted by Cobolt so if you were not talking to me, I agree with your statement in a general sence. Its our country so its our choice. and Half the country likes how he keeps their gas prices low not how he marches over women and children of those who stand against us.

actually i was responding to the initial post.

actually i am all for letting women and children die by their own countrymen than from us. north korea has been doing it for years. let em rot.

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We're actually rooting for you and cheering you on to make the right choice this November.

Thanks.

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and Half the country likes how he keeps their gas prices low not how he marches over women and children of those who stand against us.

Oh, brother.

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Originally posted by Renegade I think you're fighting a lost cause. The people most likely to vote for Bush are also those least likely to listen to the opinions of foreigners.

Exactly, they simply don't care what others think in America much less outside of America.

I signed it,and I hope more people will sign it as well.

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Bill Maher:"when we attack them we call it war,but when they attack us it is called terrorism"

There's a lethal dose of moral equivalence.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I signed it,and I hope more people will sign it as well.

Thanks dude.

Some may believe a rant like mine or a website like the one i posted is a lost cause. Well, to be honest, maybe it is. Who knows. The real point is, in our two free countries, we all like to have our say. And I simply stated what I believe, and posted the website along with it. I'm not a "religious zealot" Where in my post did I make it known that I'm religious at all? Whatever..big thing with this particular post, is that people are forgetting that this is a forum to voice your opinion and debate about it, not gang up on the Canadian guy and rip him up.

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Originally posted by Wrench Some may believe a rant like mine or a website like the one i posted is a lost cause. Well, to be honest, maybe it is. Who knows. The real point is, in our two free countries, we all like to have our say. And I simply stated what I believe, and posted the website along with it. I'm not a "religious zealot" Where in my post did I make it known that I'm religious at all? Whatever..big thing with this particular post, is that people are forgetting that this is a forum to voice your opinion and debate about it, not gang up on the Canadian guy and rip him up.

Blame Canada!!!



But seriously, folks...

I don't think anybody cares if you're Canadian. Besides, there are plenty of other Canadians on this board I'd rather flame than you!

Muuahahahahaa!!

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Originally posted by Wrench Thanks dude.

Hey man anything the helps get Bush out of office I will do

Iam gonna email this to all my friends as well so they could show their support.

canadians....



>JM<

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Originally posted by JM canadians.... >JM<

americans....

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Originally posted by Wrench Basically, if anyone tells me that, "you're not even american, so STFU" or "this offends me, we shouldn't be told to clean out our trash" YOU'RE FUKKIN STUPID. It's like I said, IT DOES MATTER what WE THINK. Because since that idiot got elected down there, he's done nothing but fight wars and completely forget his own country and fuck us over in big ways. Don't get us wrong. Canadians don't hate you for it. We're actually rooting for you and cheering you on to make the right choice this November. This is actually far more serious than people realize.

I can't believe you still don't understand that it was a joke. You said this:

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Originally posted by Wrench To Americans: Please don't be offended, this is merely an opinionated website and hey, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...enjoy

After saying that, I felt obligated to be the first one to say I was offended, so I said this:

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Originally posted by Tranc3 I'm an American and I'm offended by this site. The mere suggestion that we would need help taking out the trash is insulting.

I figured you'd probably figure it out, especially since the criticism you were expecting to take would come from Bush lovers.


You need to chill out.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 I can't believe you still don't understand that it was a joke. You said this: After saying that, I felt obligated to be the first one to say I was offended, so I said this: I figured you'd probably figure it out, especially since the criticism you were expecting to take would come from Bush lovers. You need to chill out.

Well, if you were kidding, i didn't see it. It's just hard to see sarcasm on the net, especially when a lot of people really are so politically critical. And don't worry 'bout me. I'm not a crazy anti-american guy that some may think I am. All i wanted to just have an interesting debate about the subject. Sometimes people can detect something like critisism or sarcasm and other times they can't.

thats why there are [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags

If you don't pay taxes in my country then you have no right to vote in it. I don't care what Canadians think. I pay my taxes and I should be able to elect a representative to handle where and how my taxes are spent.

If you don't live under the law in my country then you have no right to vote in it. I don't care what Canadians think. I live under the laws governing this nation and I should be able to fairly elect who represents me to make those laws and abolish them.

If you don't like how American's foreign policy effects your country then YOU need to elect a government in your country that is capable of negotiating changes with the American government and if that still doesn't make the change you desire then YOUR government needs to spend YOUR tax money on an army to try and force change upon my country (haha good luck).

Also, Bush was fairly elected according to the electorial college system. Saying otherwise is just ignorance.

This thread is so funny, you Canadians are so confused.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen If you don't pay taxes in my country then you have no right to vote in it. I don't care what Canadians think. I pay my taxes and I should be able to elect a representative to handle where and how my taxes are spent. If you don't live under the law in my country then you have no right to vote in it. I don't care what Canadians think. I live under the laws governing this nation and I should be able to fairly elect who represents me to make those laws and abolish them. If you don't like how American's foreign policy effects your country then YOU need to elect a government in your country that is capable of negotiating changes with the American government and if that still doesn't make the change you desire then YOUR government needs to spend YOUR tax money on an army to try and force change upon my country (haha good luck). Also, Bush was fairly elected according to the electorial college system. Saying otherwise is just ignorance. This thread is so funny, you Canadians are so confused.

You are not paying Iraqi taxes and are not under Iraqi law, yet you support your government in going to war replacing another government becuase they think its right to do so and INSTALL thier own puppet government officials.

How come its not okay for canadians to have a say in your government when you can have a say in other nation's governments?

Hypocrite.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King You are not paying Iraqi taxes and are not under Iraqi law, yet you support your government in going to war replacing another government becuase they think its right to do so and INSTALL thier own puppet government officials. How come its not okay for canadians to have a say in your government when you can have a say in other nation's governments? Hypocrite.

While I actually agree with you on the hypocricy statement I'd like to defend what you are referring to as "Puppet government officials." I'd say the U.S. has been rather eager and aggressive to give as much control back to Iraqis as quickly as possible. The Interim Governing Council was obviously a U.S. created body, but the new one, while still closely allied with U.S., is much more independent than the previous one. And I'd say that if history is any indicator thus far(Sovereignty handed over a day early), the Iraqis will be holding independent elections in the coming months. That's not a puppet government, Cyrus.

To which I'll add another compliment to the current administration. Dubya said that direct elections in Iraq would be in place before the end of 2004. To me that indicates that whether he is elected or not, he means to get the job done.

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Also, Bush was fairly elected according to the electorial college system. Saying otherwise is just ignorance.

This is true but what is also true is that the Electoral College should have been abolished many many years ago. It was set up to protect citizens from their own illiteracy and lack of education. While some may argue that lack of education is still an issue but I would strongly disagree with that statement. Those that vote have the right to their decision and there should not be any governing body in the way to filter or second-guess that choice.

Bush should not be in office according to what the people wanted. That was proven from the polls taken in Florida after the election was over. The hanging Chad. Does anyone remember that?

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Originally posted by Cobolt This is true

That is fact.

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but what is also true is that the Electoral College should have been abolished many many years ago.

That is opinion.

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It was set up to protect citizens from their own illiteracy and lack of education. While some may argue that lack of education is still an issue but I would strongly disagree with that statement.

I'm pretty sure that's opinion, but in any event, it would sound like a good idea considering the amount of hooha we all experienced to to general votor incompetence in the 2000 election in Florida. Bottom line: Self-defeating argument.


Get over it, already.

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