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Posted by speedracer_mec on Aug-04-2004 14:57:

Moore used fake front page in '9/11

Just one more detail to go along with the rest of his farce

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...michael_moore_1

quote:
Newspaper Says Moore Film Used Fake Front

Fri Jul 30, 5:36 PM ET


BLOOMINGTON, Ill. - Filmmaker Michael Moore's Bush-basing documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" apparently has upset more than Republicans.


Reuters
Slideshow: Michael Moore




The (Bloomington) Pantagraph newspaper in central Illinois has sent a letter to Moore and his production company, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., asking Moore to apologize for using what the newspaper says was a doctored front page in the film, the paper reported Friday. It also is seeking compensatory damages of $1.


A scene early in the movie that shows newspaper headlines related to the legally contested presidential election of 2000 included a shot of The Pantagraph's Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline: "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election."


The paper says that headline never appeared on that day. It appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition, but the headline was not used on the front page. Instead, it was found in much smaller type above a letter to the editor, which the paper says reflects "only the opinions of the letter writer."


"If (Moore) wants to 'edit' The Pantagraph, he should apply for a copy-editing job," the paper said.


Lions Gate Entertainment did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Friday.






that page isn't "fake" though. it's just a manipulation of the truth.
i'll wait for the Moore follower(s) to come in and say why that isn't a fake page.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Aug-04-2004 15:20:

Re: Moore used fake front page in '9/11

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Just one more detail to go along with the rest of his farce

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...michael_moore_1



that page isn't "fake" though. it's just a manipulation of the truth.
i'll wait for the Moore follower(s) to come in and say why that isn't a fake page.


Oh....

my....

GOOOOD!!!!! Did he really do that?!?!?!? Holy shit!!! What a fucking lying son of a bitch!!!!

Why, this must mean, HIS WHOLE MOVIE IS A COMPLETE LIE!!!!!! What a bastard!!!

Wait, this...must...mean...THAT EVERYTHING ON HIS FACTS PAGE IS A COMPLETE LIE TOO!!!!!!!:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=16

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=17

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=18

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=19

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=20

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=21

I just can't believe it! I can't believe I bought into all that damned ultra-liberal propaganda!



Oh my God! Where's my flag?!? I gotta wrap myself up in it nice 'n tight right now!

Where's my guns?!? I gotta start shootin' from the hip at every single threat I see immediately!

Where's my Bible?!? I gotta start memorizing all verses that Bush uses in every speech!!!

My God, Coulter was right all along - WE DO NEED TO KILL ALL THEIR LEADERS AND CONVERT THEIR PEOPLE TO CHRISTIANITY!!!


Thank you Mr. Mec, thank you! I really don't know where I'd be without you setting me straight like this.


Posted by biznology on Aug-04-2004 15:20:

Bush wouldnt know the difference, since he doesnt read the news|


Posted by speedracer_mec on Aug-04-2004 15:32:

Re: Re: Moore used fake front page in '9/11

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Oh....

my....

GOOOOD!!!!! Did he really do that?!?!?!? Holy shit!!! What a fucking lying son of a bitch!!!!

Why, this must mean, HIS WHOLE MOVIE IS A COMPLETE LIE!!!!!! What a bastard!!!

Wait, this...must...mean...THAT EVERYTHING ON HIS FACTS PAGE IS A COMPLETE LIE TOO!!!!!!!:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=16

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=17

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=18

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=19

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=20

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom...index.php?id=21

I just can't believe it! I can't believe I bought into all that damned ultra-liberal propaganda!



Oh my God! Where's my flag?!? I gotta wrap myself up in it nice 'n tight right now!

Where's my guns?!? I gotta start shootin' from the hip at every single threat I see immediately!

Where's my Bible?!? I gotta start memorizing all verses that Bush uses in every speech!!!

My God, Coulter was right all along - WE DO NEED TO KILL ALL THEIR LEADERS AND CONVERT THEIR PEOPLE TO CHRISTIANITY!!!


Thank you Mr. Mec, thank you! I really don't know where I'd be without you setting me straight like this.


LOL

Facts taken from His own website??? Contradictory

PLSSSSS.......
I think i will copy and paste some garbage from elsewhere

I think i will take my chances with the actual news as shown on msnbc and cnn(clinton news network) and yahoo.com....than to go read garbage off his website and stuff it down the throat of people.

Facts and His website dont go hand and hand buddy.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Aug-04-2004 16:02:

Re: Re: Re: Moore used fake front page in '9/11

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
LOL

Facts taken from His own website??? Contradictory

PLSSSSS.......
I think i will copy and paste some garbage from elsewhere

I think i will take my chances with the actual news as shown on msnbc and cnn(clinton news network) and yahoo.com....than to go read garbage off his website and stuff it down the throat of people.

Facts and His website dont go hand and hand buddy.


What are you saying?!?! I FINALLY agree with you buddy! How many times do you want me to thank you?!?!?!

Be grateful that you've converted me, my fellow crazy right-winger!


Posted by Shakka on Aug-04-2004 16:08:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Moore used fake front page in '9/11

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
What are you saying?!?! I FINALLY agree with you buddy! How many times do you want me to thank you?!?!?!

Be grateful that you've converted me, my fellow crazy right-winger!


Well Christ, it took you long enough to see the light!


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Aug-04-2004 16:13:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moore used fake front page in '9/11

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Well Christ, it took you long enough to see the light!


Light, oncoming train, what's the difference?


Posted by xKaoSx on Aug-04-2004 16:34:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Moore used fake front page in '9/11

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
What are you saying?!?! I FINALLY agree with you buddy! How many times do you want me to thank you?!?!?!

Be grateful that you've converted me, my fellow crazy right-winger!


I DO believe he is mocking you.


Posted by tupsox on Aug-04-2004 16:43:

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fif...renheit-911.htm

Read it and weep: conclusive proof that Michael Moore is a lying scumbag. You will not convince me otherwise unless you respond to each and every of the 59 points, only 1 of which did Moore have a good response to.


Posted by tupsox on Aug-04-2004 16:52:

The Dave Kopel piece responds to every one of the lame defenses brought up on Moore's pages. If you bother to read through it, maybe you'll be convinced.

Kopel is no member of the VRWC....he's a Naderite. He just goes about his politics honestly, unlike Moore and his supporters.

Dislike Bush or not, but don't assosciate and defend such a dishonest, dispicable person. It merely discredits your cause.


Posted by xKaoSx on Aug-04-2004 16:54:

quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fif...renheit-911.htm

Read it and weep: conclusive proof that Michael Moore is a lying scumbag. You will not convince me otherwise unless you respond to each and every of the 59 points, only 1 of which did Moore have a good response to.


Should I quote your own source in saying that sure he was deceitful- now you're calling him a liar?


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Aug-04-2004 17:17:

quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
The Dave Kopel piece responds to every one of the lame defenses brought up on Moore's pages. If you bother to read through it, maybe you'll be convinced.

Kopel is no member of the VRWC....he's a Naderite. He just goes about his politics honestly, unlike Moore and his supporters.

Dislike Bush or not, but don't assosciate and defend such a dishonest, dispicable person. It merely discredits your cause.


Oh my God!!! I just can't stop weeping!!! My once favorite ultra left winger, shot down by this ultra fanatical "loaded-guns-are-good-for-children" right winger! What am I to do?!?!?!

Well, I guess I could just throw back another website in child-like fashion, refuting Kopel's cute little tit-for-tat points:

http://www.thudfactor.com/mambo/content/view/844/

Ain't it fun to trade websites and not talk about content?


Posted by tupsox on Aug-04-2004 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
Should I quote your own source in saying that sure he was deceitful- now you're calling him a liar?


Read through it. While it consists mostly of blatant deceits, Moore indeed lies outright on multiple occasions.

Additionally, the difference between deceit and lying is spurious in this instance, as Moore intends for his audience to come away with an impression that is clearly counter to fact. By intentionally hoping to give his audience a false impression, he is -effectively- lying, even if each individual clause in each sentence can somehow be construed as true.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Aug-04-2004 17:21:

quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
Read through it. While it consists mostly of blatant deceits, Moore indeed lies outright on multiple occasions.

Additionally, the difference between deceit and lying is spurious in this instance, as Moore intends for his audience to come away with an impression that is clearly counter to fact. By intentionally hoping to give his audience a false impression, he is -effectively- lying, even if each individual clause in each sentence can somehow be construed as true.


Damnit! Don't cha just hate it when the adversary lies or distorts things?:

http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF&b=45294


Posted by tupsox on Aug-04-2004 18:10:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Damnit! Don't cha just hate it when the adversary lies or distorts things?:

http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF&b=45294


What does that have to do with Michael Moore's lies, deceits, and distortions? Looks like you're trying to change the subject. Remember, Kopel is not part of the VRWC, so he's probably not featured in that database you linked to.


Posted by tupsox on Aug-04-2004 18:17:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Damnit! Don't cha just hate it when the adversary lies or distorts things?:

http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF&b=45294


I'm browsing through this database. Some worthwhile material. However, alot of the "Fact" refutations of supposed "Distortions", particularly regarding quotes by administrations officials on Iraq, rely on the power of hindsight, which is disingenuous to say the least. At least the source is open about its anti-conservative bias, but i think disingenuous does summarize a good deal of the records in the database. However, rather than respond to this, I'd rather you respond to the fact that Michael Moore is a lying scumbag


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Aug-04-2004 18:27:

quote:
Originally posted by tupsox

What does that have to do with Michael Moore's lies, deceits, and distortions? Looks like you're trying to change the subject. Remember, Kopel is not part of the VRWC, so he's probably not featured in that database you linked to.


Not really, just pointing out how both sides tend to distort a tad bit for their own personal agendas. The difference, of course, is Michael Moore is a loudmouth and is not a politician with no political power to create laws or enact policies, vs. our Administration who can and has decisively done just that.

Oh, and I do believe I answered your Kopel criticism with a blog website that refutes Kopel's claims in a fairly concise manner. It was at the end of Page 1 on this thread.


quote:
I'm browsing through this database. Some worthwhile material. However, alot of the "Fact" refutations of supposed "Distortions", particularly regarding quotes by administrations officials on Iraq, rely on the power of hindsight, which is disingenuous to say the least. At least the source is open about its anti-conservative bias, but i think disingenuous does summarize a good deal of the records in the database. However, rather than respond to this, I'd rather you respond to the fact that Michael Moore is a lying scumbag


"Lying scumbag"?

Sorry, can't go that far. A biased guy with an agenda who's a little quick with the facts and tends to distort to fit his personal views, just like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly? Absolutely.

Your point?


Posted by Cyrus King on Aug-04-2004 19:09:

Thanks MisterOpus for shutting up the fools


Posted by St_Andrew on Aug-04-2004 19:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Thanks MisterOpus for shutting up the fools


hehe yeah keep up the good work


Posted by speedracer_mec on Aug-04-2004 20:39:

Good job my fellow conservatives in this post

Good job defacing this truth distorting liberal hypocrite.


Posted by xKaoSx on Aug-04-2004 20:41:

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Good job my fellow conservatives in this post

Good job defacing this truth distorting liberal hypocrite.


Good Job? Sorry- all the other posts were pretty much like what you just said- worthless.


Posted by speedracer_mec on Aug-04-2004 20:53:

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
Good Job? Sorry- all the other posts were pretty much like what you just said- worthless.

Im sorry Im not a liberal and I pissed you off because I didnt "praise" misteropus.


GET a life.
Also:
We each have different opinions, and feel differently; so if you dont like me i really could care less.


Yeah i have over 2000 worthless posts

t.t


Posted by xKaoSx on Aug-04-2004 20:55:

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Im sorry Im not a liberal and I pissed you off because I didnt "praise" misteropus.


GET a life.
Also:
We each have different opinions, and feel differently; so if you dont like me i really could care less.


Yeah i have over 2000 worthless posts

t.t


Well if you want to brag about how many worthless posts you have, go right ahead.

Who said I was only talking to you?


Posted by speedracer_mec on Aug-04-2004 20:57:

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
Good Job? Sorry- all the other posts were pretty much like what you just said- worthless.


Also worthless post?""

quote:
I DO believe he is mocking you.


that was your only post in this thread.
I find that hardly productive.
Read my other conservative posts elsewhere, Im sure I will tick you off some more.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Aug-04-2004 21:03:

Oh the love in the room from both sides is just so thick, it's like an all encompassing fog.

Or it could be just a lotta hot steam from everyone. Can't really tell at this point, but it sure is relaxing.....


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