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Posted by d!abolic on Aug-12-2004 21:27:

[POLL] Are you a leader or a follower?

WHEN IT COMES TO WORK, are you a leader or a follower? And i mean this literally: in other words, a manager wouldn't be considered a leader since he's following the owner. He could however, be considered an aspiring leader. You get the picture. Now stop being lazy and vote

Also, the 'leader, used to be follower' option doesn't apply to summer jobs and the like. So if you graduated and went on to open a law practice, but worked in McDonalds during the summers while studying, select the 'leader, always have been' option.


Posted by St_Andrew on Aug-12-2004 22:24:

"Leader, has always been"

hate to "take orders" too much...

Freeeeeedom!


Posted by Vivid Boy on Aug-12-2004 22:58:

neither i do my own thing


Posted by d!abolic on Aug-12-2004 23:46:

So out of 11 people who voted so far, 7 claim to run businesses and only 4 work for others? This doesn't add up, i smell bullshit


Posted by Vivid Boy on Aug-12-2004 23:55:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
So out of 11 people who voted so far, 7 claim to run businesses and only 4 work for others? This doesn't add up, i smell bullshit


i have my oen business and only 1 employee..and its me im CEO, sales, manufacturing and shipping haha..and ill never need any more people then myself unless i decide to open a firm but im not into it enough to do that


Posted by DigiNut on Aug-13-2004 01:53:

I'm self-employed and do contracts as of now, which is more of a "drifter" than a "leader" or "follower".


Posted by d!abolic on Aug-13-2004 02:04:

Vivid/Digi, what do you guys do anyway?


Posted by Vivid Boy on Aug-13-2004 02:23:

i do calculations and design air systems..part time however..full time i work construction..well dont work actual construction i prefab material..alot of drafting..


Posted by d!abolic on Aug-13-2004 03:10:

Air system? What like HVAC? And what kinda material do you prefab?


Posted by rabbitjoker on Aug-13-2004 03:13:

The leader in me says "you don't have to post [POLL] when you make a poll".


Posted by malek on Aug-13-2004 03:43:

there's many kinds of leaderships...

your poll sucks


Posted by rabbitjoker on Aug-13-2004 04:04:

Time to be serious for a second here (yeah I know, it sucks...):

On the path of life mastery and maturation � one realizes (IMO) that there are right times to be a leader and right times to be a follower.

So � your poll in that respect is flawed � as it forces one to choose between one or the other � when true self-leadership is knowing when to be either, or.

Just my $0.02.


Posted by malek on Aug-13-2004 04:30:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Time to be serious for a second here (yeah I know, it sucks...):

On the path of life mastery and maturation � one realizes (IMO) that there are right times to be a leader and right times to be a follower.

So � your poll in that respect is flawed � as it forces one to choose between one or the other � when true self-leadership is knowing when to be either, or.

Just my $0.02.


exactly, you can't lead all the time in every situation or you'll be seen as a stubborn prick


Posted by Durafei on Aug-13-2004 13:40:

Hm... Right now out of 25 people who voted, 48% say they are leaders.

Well, sorry to dissapoint you guys but percentage of real good leaders is much lower than that. So either you are a shit leader, or you happen to of the few good leaders. Statistically though, it is more likely that you are a shit leader.

So, what I recommend is, try to evaluate how good of a leader you really are, and if you realize that you aren't that good - become a follower. Life will be so much simpler.

Oh. As for me.. I'm a follower, always was, always will be.


Posted by DigiNut on Aug-13-2004 14:43:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
Vivid/Digi, what do you guys do anyway?

A lot of things. Mostly automation systems in the "big picture", started out in software and moving more into hardware and electronics now that I have my degree. I've done other types of work though.

You'd be amazed at how much some companies can piss away on needless labour costs.

Personally I've never really liked the leader/follower division. Even CEOs often follow their advisors or the examples of other successful companies. It's more of a whole spectrum than a black-and-white question.


Posted by Durafei on Aug-13-2004 14:50:

quote:
Personally I've never really liked the leader/follower division. Even CEOs often follow their advisors or the examples of other successful companies. It's more of a whole spectrum than a black-and-white question.


Well, following advice and following "orders" are two slightly different things.


Posted by Skipper on Aug-13-2004 16:18:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
So out of 11 people who voted so far, 7 claim to run businesses and only 4 work for others? This doesn't add up, i smell bullshit


You can have leadership skills and wualities without owning your own business.

leadership makes itself apparent in many more situations than the workplace.

This poll doesn't make sense - the demographic you're asking is way too young to own their own business, for the most part.


Posted by d!abolic on Aug-13-2004 18:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
You can have leadership skills and wualities without owning your own business.

leadership makes itself apparent in many more situations than the workplace.

This poll doesn't make sense - the demographic you're asking is way too young to own their own business, for the most part.
It makes perfect sense if you read the original post carefully. I'm not asking about their SKILLS, i'm asking about their POSITION.


Posted by Skipper on Aug-13-2004 20:36:

Re: [POLL] Are you a leader or a follower?

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
WHEN IT COMES TO WORK, are you a leader or a follower? And i mean this literally: in other words, a manager wouldn't be considered a leader since he's following the owner. He could however, be considered an aspiring leader. You get the picture. Now stop being lazy and vote

Also, the 'leader, used to be follower' option doesn't apply to summer jobs and the like. So if you graduated and went on to open a law practice, but worked in McDonalds during the summers while studying, select the 'leader, always have been' option.


This is retarded - you assume that only managers are leaders in an organization. If no one else was a leader, only the manager, then the manager would have to micromanage everything. Leadership is not about micromanagement, it is enlisting employees with independent responsibilities of their own and giving them freedom to take initiative on their own.

Leadership is apparent at ALL levels of an organization. In my job, yes, I am a leader. I am responsible for projects, process improvements, department education initiatives - all of which require leadership. Am I a manager? No.


Posted by Skipper on Aug-13-2004 20:37:

and further to that - if by following you definition of leader = manager, how can anyone answer "leader - always has been"?

No one is born into a managerial role.


Posted by d!abolic on Aug-13-2004 23:15:

Re: [POLL] Are you a leader or a follower?

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
a manager wouldn't be considered a leader


quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
you assume that only managers are leaders





Anyway (your lack of reading comprehension aside ), what i was trying to clarify by saying that is that in this thread, the world "leader" will be used to describe a "top-level leader" ONLY. That way, Wendys managers wouldn't end up in the same group as corporate CEOs. Obviously, very few people understood this very crucial concept. Either that or 2/3 of TOTAs are business owners



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