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The State of Bush vs the State of Law

The State of Bush vs the State of Law

"Where did the Bush regime go wrong?
Somewhere along the line, once, George W. Bush and his clique of elitist super-rich entrepreneurs who dictate White House policy, must have had political objectives, must have believed that they could do good for America and for the world. What has ensued is a systematic abuse of power, a systematic disregard for international law and a systematic outrage of human rights. Where did the Bush regime get it wrong?

The recent decision to deny the prisoners of Guantanamo access to lawyers while other inmates belonging to friendly nations such as the UK (partner in war crimes) are released, shows how far down the line the Bush regime has sunk in terms of total and wholesale disrespect for the fundamental principles of international law.

Where is the principle that a person is innocent until proven guilty? Where is the principle that a prisoner has the right to humane treatment? Where is the principle that a prisoner must be notified of his crimes and given a fair chance to defend himself?

The Bush regime has respected none of these in Guantanamo, which instead has been turned into a concentration camp, complete with the use of torture, which now appears as a mainstay in the conduction of policy. The Bush regime has disrespected every fibre of decency, every thread of the spirit of righteousness which forms the spine of American society, which is based on the principles of respect for freedom, respect for democracy and respect for fairness.

George W. Bush likes to speak about Freedom and Democracy but then again his words are merely sounds, phrases to use and abuse at will if the right and convenient political climate can be created by using them, even if they are said without an iota of substance and without a grain of truth. Indeed, the Bush regime has turned Washington into the Queen of Liars, the Bush regime has turned the United States of America into a state with pariah status in the international community, the Bush regime has for the first time created a government and governance which has zero credibility in the hearts and minds of world public opinion, which was alienated with the shock and awe tactics adopted by a regime of war criminals and mass murderers.

The Bush regime has flouted the UN Charter, the Geneva Convention, diplomatic norms in use for decades and has left a legacy of the murder of thousands of civilians, the destruction of civilian infrastructures, the handing out of rebuilding contracts without tender, the arbitrary execution and imprisonment of innocent people, systematic rape, the murder of children, deployment of WMD in civilian areas and widespread use of torture.

It is difficult to think of a worse case of wholesale disrespect for the law, for legal principles, for the basic norms which dictate the line between what is right and what is wrong. The Bush regime has not only violated world public opinion, it has violated the diplomatic community and even worse, has violated the fundamental bond of trust held by the people of
the United States of America in their government.

As it happened, at best, this regime, suspect from the beginning, turned out to be no more than a bunch of incompetent, arrogant, rich kids with no more respect for the fellow human citizen than it had an understanding of what it
was doing. At worst, this regime is manipulated by the gang headed by Dick Cheney, the scar-mouthed, hard-faced, thin-lipped, short-snouted influence behind the throne, the face of corporate America, the face of the oil and arms industries behind US foreign policy.

The result is what we see, the same result as would be expected from putting an obese and spoilt six-year-old in charge of a hamburger restaurant with unlimited access to burgers and fries

Time for regime change. George W. Bush stiffed the world"

--- Interesting editorial that sums up many of my grievances with the current U.S. administration and why it should be booted out of power come November. Makes for good reading, take the liberty of reading the entire article.

I think the author forgot to add:
"Bush is a big-fat poopy-head!... He's... He's a big meany! Waaaaahhhh "



p.s.
I take it your ashamed of the source?

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Originally posted by Yoepus I think the author forgot to add: "Bush is a big-fat poopy-head!... He's... He's a big meany! Waaaaahhhh "

You stole that "Poopy-head" line from me! You bastard!!

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Originally posted by Shakka You stole that "Poopy-head" line from me! You bastard!!

I'm sorry. All my insult material is on the lines of "tree-hugging frog-fukkers". I was just fresh out of ideas, what could I do?? What could I do??

i'm tired of these reports from extremists that people are copying and pasting in here... i certainly dont want to sit here read one report for half hour.

>JM<

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Originally posted by JM i'm tired of these reports from extremists that people are copying and pasting in here... i certainly dont want to sit here read one report for half hour. >JM<

And this being America you aren't forced to, I don't agree with everything in the article but if I'm going to post someone's work I will post the entire thing instead of only the parts I fancy. The article highlights many points but you guys choose to look at the name calling of the Bush administration to brand it as extremist. What about the point that prisoners from certain countries are returned to those governments while others are being held. The fact is that just like the Bush administration which engages in the strong use of rhetoric against others, it is with this passion that critics attack them and their policies. The Bush administration has done its fair share of name calling as we all are aware of and thereby not exempt from being referred to unkind names as well.

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Originally posted by JM i'm tired of these reports from extremists that people are copying and pasting in here... i certainly dont want to sit here read one report for half hour. >JM<

CRY ME A RIVER!




Anyways, I feel your pain. >_<
But then again we are on TA.....you know what that means.

Tons of people worldwide who hate Bush will post here.
Few conservatives roam here.

Funny, it was quite a long time ago i actually saw the conservative defend themself... at least the liberals do...

you must be out of arguments

no its pointless....

You guys want the US to treat the PRISONERS OF WAR as criminals. Well newsflash, they aren't.

And so long as they don't abide by the Geneva code, the US has a moral and legal obligation NOT to obey by Geneva.

Furthermore, none of the detainees are being abused or being treated against geneva, so there really should be no critisim of this.

Its not the right's problem that the left wants to 'criminalize' war. War an't a crime. Get used to it.

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Originally posted by Yoepus no its pointless.... You guys want the US to treat the PRISONERS OF WAR as criminals. Well newsflash, they aren't. And so long as they don't abide by the Geneva code, the US has a moral and legal obligation NOT to obey by Geneva. Furthermore, none of the detainees are being abused or being treated against geneva, so there really should be no critisim of this. Its not the right's problem that the left wants to 'criminalize' war. War an't a crime. Get used to it.

the problem is that they are neither POW or criminals, they are terrorists on non us soil which means you can do whatever to them, don't have to follow any international law. Which is wrong.they are should also have the right to a fair legal procedure, even if they are POW or whatever they are....

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Originally posted by St_Andrew the problem is that they are neither POW or criminals, they are terrorists on non us soil which means you can do whatever to them, don't have to follow any international law. Which is wrong.they are should also have the right to a fair legal procedure, even if they are POW or whatever they are....

nope they don't.

you want them too. But they don't have to anything.

Enemy combatants that do not follow Geneva captured on the battlefield are at the whim of their capture.

As far as law is concerned, they could just as easily be executed as being held as prisoner. They are fortunate the US has decided to instate the benifits of Geneva amoungst its captured.

Yes, the US can do whatever it wants to them, but it doesn't. And that should be applauded. Lesser nations could not meet that granduer.


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legal prodceedings are reserved for criminal offenses (i.e. someone who broke a law). Since the terrorist break no law (they do not abide by Geneva) there is nothing to try them against, and hence there is no need for legal proceedings. A soldier captured on a battlefield is a soldier, not a criminal. You don't need a warrant to shot or arrest him.

Re: The State of Bush vs the State of Law

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan The State of Bush vs the State of Law "Where did the Bush regime go wrong? Somewhere along the line, once, George W. Bush and his clique of elitist super-rich entrepreneurs who dictate White House policy, must have had political objectives, must have believed that they could do good for America and for the world. What has ensued is a systematic abuse of power, a systematic disregard for international law and a systematic outrage of human rights. Where did the Bush regime get it wrong? The recent decision to deny the prisoners of Guantanamo access to lawyers while other inmates belonging to friendly nations such as the UK (partner in war crimes) are released, shows how far down the line the Bush regime has sunk in terms of total and wholesale disrespect for the fundamental principles of international law. Where is the principle that a person is innocent until proven guilty? Where is the principle that a prisoner has the right to humane treatment? Where is the principle that a prisoner must be notified of his crimes and given a fair chance to defend himself? The Bush regime has respected none of these in Guantanamo, which instead has been turned into a concentration camp, complete with the use of torture, which now appears as a mainstay in the conduction of policy. The Bush regime has disrespected every fibre of decency, every thread of the spirit of righteousness which forms the spine of American society, which is based on the principles of respect for freedom, respect for democracy and respect for fairness. George W. Bush likes to speak about Freedom and Democracy but then again his words are merely sounds, phrases to use and abuse at will if the right and convenient political climate can be created by using them, even if they are said without an iota of substance and without a grain of truth. Indeed, the Bush regime has turned Washington into the Queen of Liars, the Bush regime has turned the United States of America into a state with pariah status in the international community, the Bush regime has for the first time created a government and governance which has zero credibility in the hearts and minds of world public opinion, which was alienated with the shock and awe tactics adopted by a regime of war criminals and mass murderers. The Bush regime has flouted the UN Charter, the Geneva Convention, diplomatic norms in use for decades and has left a legacy of the murder of thousands of civilians, the destruction of civilian infrastructures, the handing out of rebuilding contracts without tender, the arbitrary execution and imprisonment of innocent people, systematic rape, the murder of children, deployment of WMD in civilian areas and widespread use of torture. It is difficult to think of a worse case of wholesale disrespect for the law, for legal principles, for the basic norms which dictate the line between what is right and what is wrong. The Bush regime has not only violated world public opinion, it has violated the diplomatic community and even worse, has violated the fundamental bond of trust held by the people of the United States of America in their government. As it happened, at best, this regime, suspect from the beginning, turned out to be no more than a bunch of incompetent, arrogant, rich kids with no more respect for the fellow human citizen than it had an understanding of what it was doing. At worst, this regime is manipulated by the gang headed by Dick Cheney, the scar-mouthed, hard-faced, thin-lipped, short-snouted influence behind the throne, the face of corporate America, the face of the oil and arms industries behind US foreign policy. The result is what we see, the same result as would be expected from putting an obese and spoilt six-year-old in charge of a hamburger restaurant with unlimited access to burgers and fries Time for regime change. George W. Bush stiffed the world" --- Interesting editorial that sums up many of my grievances with the current U.S. administration and why it should be booted out of power come November. Makes for good reading, take the liberty of reading the entire article.

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22...13748_Bush.html


The Russkies have opinions too, huh? It's sad that the world is so quickly growing to hate America, but we've done it to ourselves.

Let's face it, most politicians are rich business people that want influence. Canada's PM is worth 32 million bucks, a lady in the opposition's cabinet is worth nearly a Billion bucks. Usually the rich run countries, money talks, it is sad, most heads of state are trying to help the people and big business. Go back to the mid 50's with the USA presidents, most were rich to begin with and had tons of influence and they have always tried to help businesses spur on the economy because it gets you re-elected.

did you just mispost in the wrong thread?

I'm utterly confused

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