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Specifically the 580, 590 and the 600. It mentions on the site that they are best for classical music enthusiasts, does this make them shit for trance?? Im only interested in listening, no monitoring

Seen the 580s for �80 on sale, is this a good price??

Thx

Crusader

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I have the HD 600 if you need them for mixing, dont buy them.
but if you need them only for listening and music creation then they are very very good the sound is amazing.

A very natural sound, excellent for listening.

So the bass is good, and how much sound escapes from having open hps??

Thx

Crusader

Crusader/Cru5ad3r,

Those open Sennheiser HD-### series leak about as much sound as the cheap headphones that are bundled with personal portable stereo equipment, when both those Senns and those cheapies are playing at the same volume loudness on the inside of the phones. Some brands of open-air headphones (Grados, for instance) leak even more sound to the outside than those Senns.

Well. let's see.....

The HD580 and 600 are great, if you are listening to music, even trance, in a quiet environment, alone, with a fairly strong amount of power going to the headphones, or if you are creating music, even trance, in a quiet studio, alone, with some amplification on the headphone jack.

However, if you are not gonna be using them in a quiet place, and your headphone jacks are underpowered, don't get these.

Consider the Sennheiser HD25, instead. Or, if you have a good-powered headphone jack, the Beyerdynamic DT-831, or some other Beyer headphones (I don't know much about their professional line). Still, if you are looking at THIS level to MIX with, you have a *lot* of options, which will increase what you can do with your tools, IMMENSLY. Especially if you have powerful headphone jacks on your equipment...

Only interested in LISTENING? As in, for pleasure, not for accuracy, at the price level of the Sennheiser HD600's?

Well, depending on the type of sound you like, you have a lot of options:

HD600 (pretty hard to drive WELL [ie, so they have enough bass, but when you do, they have it], but, if you like that open, airy, all around you sound [which can help a LOT with trance], these would be great)
GRADO SR-325 (easy to drive, very open, leak and let out a lot of sound, but if you want WHAM WHAM impact, and up-front sound, and lots of bass, these are great)
SONY MDR-CD3000 (easy to drive, closed, but not really, let in a lot of sound, if you want something that surrounds you and seems made for trance, and has good impact, get these. I'd suggest these if you wanna reproduce the "club" atmosphere in your own home.)
BEYERDYNAMIC DT770 PRO (kinda easy to drive, closed, good bass for rock, maybe good for trance, because of the exaggerated bass)
BEYERDYNAMIC DT931 (open, pretty hard to drive WELL [so they have enough bass, but, again, if you do drive them well, they DO have it], but accurate and open. sort of the middle ground between the grado's and the senn's in impact, but only if you have the right amp for it)
ETYMOTIC ER4P (VERY closed, inside-the-ear-canal earplugs, easy to drive, exaggerated bass, and better sounding bass than pretty much anything, but it's bass you hear, not feel, unless you are one of the lucky people, for whom the ety's fool the brain to feeling bass around your entire body. You need to get the fit right to get any bass, though.)

Well Ive decided that getting the 580s would be stupid as the 590s replace them and look much better. I can get the 590s for �80, but the 600 for �150, so the question is: Are the 600 worth �70 more than the 590s??

I dont really like the look of the grado hps, although i sure the hps produce really good sound and bass, at the end of the day, if im paying around ~�100, I want something that is good quality in both design and make

Well Id be listening in my bedroom so it would be almost silent, so open hps arent a prob, tho powering them might be. Sometimes I have to put my gaming headset thru my speaker jack and turn that up (when listening to movies on my comp), but that maybe the poor driving quality of my plantronic hps (www.plantronics.co.uk)

So really its either beyerdynamics (which arent really that known), sony or sennheiser



crusader

Actually, the 590's sound a LOT worse than the 580's or 600's.

In the Sennheiser line, there are a LOT of bad headphones with numbers that don't actually DENOTE their quality... because they change things around a bunch, and, a lot of times, it doesn't work. The 590's, for example, are waaaaaay too bright. The 580's and the 600's are worth more than the 590's, EASY. The real question is... are the 600's worth more than the 580's, because the 580's and 600's sound ALMOST THE SAME, and the 600's only sound better if you have really good equipment to back them up. Basically, it's 590<580<600, with a big space between the 590 and 580, and a small one between the 580 and 600. However, only look at these if you want laid-back, kinda relaxed, accurate headphones. If you want WHAM WHAM, you probably won't like these. Everything I told you gets deep bass, by the way.

Huh? I haven't TOLD you anything that is anything less than "Good Quality" in design and make, and look. EVERYTHING I have said is built well, and looks awesome!! Including the Grado's, the Senn's, the Beyers, and the Sony's!

By the way, I edited my post a bit. Reread the stuff I said. You may want to check out the Etymotic ER4P's, for example...

And, by the way, who cares how well known the headphones are? These companies, Beyer, Sennhieser, Grado, Sony, are *THE* biggest quality headphone manufacturers. That, and AKG. Check out www.headphone.com , man (they don't have sony because Sony won't let them sell ONLY sony headphones, and not other sony stuff.)

I dont mean to be mean gluegun, but can I ask how u know which has the best sound quality out of the 580, 590 and 600. As I think the 600 is out of my price range, but I can get the 580 and the 590 @ �80 each

(And): As I said b4 in 1 of my earlier posts, these hps will only be for listening my my quiet room. There will be no mixing, no monitoring, no djing, etc

Crusader

Alright, then... The IDEA is to find the best headphones for listening to trance in a relaxed setting that are easy to drive and are in your price range. And, YES, I HAVE heard the 590's, and YEA, they ARE too bright. And, I get most of my info off of www.head-fi.org, which is a place where audiophiles go to ARGUE, try, compare, and test out all of these high end headphones, and amps to go with them, and then pick apart the details of the review

Now, reading the DESCRIPTIONS of the headphones I told you, what do you think would be the type of sound you want?

Also, of these headphones:
Senn HD580
Beyer DT770
Beyer DT931
Grado SR-325
Grado SR-225,
Etymotic ER4P
Sony CD3000

which are in your price range? ALSO! Why do you want the HD580's if you can't drive them, and why do you want the 590's if they are so bright? If you are gonna use em from somethign without power, you should be looking at the Grado's and the Ety's, and the Sony's... but, supposedly, the Sony's are the best sounding for Trance of all headphones.

Hmm so far it seems as tho the 580s are my best choice, I cant afford those grados and the sony hps uve mentioned (while I could, but i could find a better use for that money that hps). Cant find prices for those others atm

All this trouble over some hps, who would have thought it

Crusader

Thx for the help so far glue gun. Was just wondering, could u recommend a good but cheap amp (no more than �50/$80), if I was to go for the hd580.

Also, could u do me a favour plz and ask on that board if some1 from the uk could recommend any good online store for hps, the only 1 I found was: THIS and they only really have the sennheiser range, and no hd580 there

Thx amigo

Crusader

The cheapest COMMERCIAL amp that is worth anything is the Headroom Total Airhead, which costs $160 USD. However, you can probably build, or get someone to build for you, a cheaper amp...

BUT, let it be known, there ARE good headphones for trance that are easy to drive in your price range.

You may have to merely get a lower-end grado (all grado's are good), or go for something closed.

I would suggest you take everything you learned in this thread and ask at www.head-fi.org. They will probably tell you a number of cheap, closed headphones that will work.

After all...you haven't even defined *what* type of sound you LIKE yet. Maybe you can figure that out....?

I'm considering killing myself the next time a headphone discussion appears.

DJTJ, I'll be sure to start one JUST for you, okay?

HEY!!!!

That store? It has one of Sennheiser's OTHER good headphones! The HD495! You can try those!! Those are like the little kid of the 580's...and one of the few good cans in their lineup! If you like those, you'll like the 580's.

Be warned, they need an amp, but not QUITE as badly as the HD580's... but they still don't give you WHAM WHAM bass. Unfortunately, without an amp, it is often the bass that suffers most noticably.

See if you can find a portable CD player that gives you 15 mW per channel. Some old ones do, and the radio shack CD3904 does.

http://www.askdirect.co.uk/uview?ca...iser&topcatid=2

Gluegun - Thx for the advice, but i think ur abit confused as to what I want. All I simply want is a pair of headphones to listen to the sound fx or music of a game and also to listen to some trance. I dont need a cd player as all my music is on my hdd and I use my sound card to play it. I dont have a hi-fi as I dont need 1. All this talk of �200 grado hps and �80 amps is pointless in my situation. B4 my plantronics headset with mic failed, I used them for games and music and they only cost me �30. So anything better is going to be an improvement.

Don't get me wrong, as much as Id love to have a really good pair of headphones, Im no audiophile, and Id just be throwing the money down the drain if I was to spend around �200 on a hp setup for my use.

Btw, u keep talking about an amp, well if powering it from a sound card isnt loud enuf, then whats wrong with plugging it into ur speakers (speakers into sound card) and boosting the volume on the speakers??

Thx

Crusader

Oh, you're going to be using it for GAMING, as well?

*sigh*

Why didn't you say so?

This is, as in, you are going to be playing games that need good sound positioning? Like, uh, Counterstrike? Then, uh, you shouldn't get Grado's, 'cause they aren't good at A3D positioning (and it's A3D that you should use with headphones).


Anyways, check out the following closed models:

Denon AHD-950
Sony MDR-V6
Beyerdynamic DT250-80

And check out this open model:

Sennheiser HD495

You might and you might not need an amp with the 495. Generally, there isn't much of a headphone amp in most multimedia speakers...it just screws with the gain, most of the time. Same with sound cards, unfortunately. They don't actually add much power to the HEADPHONE jack, which kind of sucks. But, the thing is.... But if you want a sennheiser headphone, and you want something open for gaming and that surrounds you for trance, I'd suggest you get a set of HD495's, and, if you decide they don't have enough bass, if the quality kind of sucks (try plugging them into EVERYTHING, as who knows if it will amplify 'em) then you can get an amp. However...those closed headphones? Even IF the sound will be more closed-in than the 495's, all of them are easier to drive than the 495's, and all of them have more bass.

I would suggest you try and find the cheapest "DIY" (Do It Yourself) or "DBSE" (Done By Someone Else) amp at one of these two forums...there's a goodly number of people there selling them...real cheap, too.

(This is the gear for sale/trade forum)

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/forum...p?s=&forumid=14

(This is the "amps" forum)

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/forum...hp?s=&forumid=3

Oh yea! Found a GREAT thread that will help you!!

There is one discontinued model from Sennheiser that should work GREAT. Problem is, it's discontinued. Sennheiser HD565.

Anyways, read this thread! It tells you everything!!

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showt...=&threadid=2655

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