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about the future

Hi People !

I wonder, how the production tools will change in the next years.
Sound quality, handling and stuff.

My personal ideas for a better production future:

(1) REASON POWERCORE: A Reason based system with software synths like
nord lead or virus, using some powercore card to combinate hardware sound quality with Reason handling.

(2) Several AUTOMIX and AUTOMASTER tools: There will be more and more tools to give your track a proper sounding without having to be a real
mastering freak.

(3)Lots of VSTi based on hardware DSP, which work as a copy protection and help to improve sound quality.

(4) Perhaps an Spectrasonics ATMOSPHERE JP8080 Supersaw or Roland 303
with every not and filter setting sampled, so that you get the original sound ( would be thousands of samples )


What are your ideas how the production future will be ?


Trancevision

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Originally posted by Trancevision (2) Several AUTOMIX and AUTOMASTER tools: There will be more and more tools to give your track a proper sounding without having to be a real mastering freak.

I wish.

am getting a new pc and thats it.

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Originally posted by Trancevision Hi People ! I wonder, how the production tools will change in the next years. Sound quality, handling and stuff. My personal ideas for a better production future: (2) Several AUTOMIX and AUTOMASTER tools: There will be more and more tools to give your track a proper sounding without having to be a real mastering freak. (3)Lots of VSTi based on hardware DSP, which work as a copy protection and help to improve sound quality. (4) Perhaps an Spectrasonics ATMOSPHERE JP8080 Supersaw or Roland 303 with every not and filter setting sampled, so that you get the original sound ( would be thousands of samples )

(2) in that case, I'd also suggest AUTOCOMPOSE and AUTOARRANGE tools. That way you won't need any talent at all to make music. MAybe for your own fun, but for the sake of the music business, hell no. There are already enough fools destroying the business as we speak.

(3) I think that's already on the way. It'll be the easiest method to avoid piracy indeed (although, after some time they'll certainly be able to make hardware emulators, it's been done for some progs already).

(4) In my opinion there's already too much "copies" going around in virtual synths. Sure some of those vintage synths are unaffordable for a mortal being, but that's not the case for the two units you mentioned. Besides, particularily those two units are sooo much used already. I think emphasis should more be set on creating original synths, that can create original sounds.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against improvement and evolution. If you compare today with even 5 years ago, music making has been made much easier. Even a simple laptop can make a full tune, while you needed a full hardware studio not so long ago.
I agree that the process of making music should be as transparent as possible. But I think some basic skill should still be involved. There are people making a living by creating music. There are also people that are making a living by mixing it and mastering it. Both have worked hard and long to get good at what they do. It's cool to see things come out that help you doing your job better. It's not so cool to see things come out that do your job, maybe not as good, but for a cheaper price (and you that usually that latter one wins).

I myself would like to see software manufacturers that do their job properly, and don't release stuff that isn't even worthy calling a beta, just so they can release something before the competition.

(4) It would cost more money to create a full JP sample VST than it would to simply buy the synth off of ebay.

There will definitely be more tools that get released that allow users to know less and less about mixing/mastering while still getting a pretty good sound. Will these tools replace mastering engineers? I highly doubt it, at least for a pretty long time.

What I would like to see is a tool that can accurately match the freqs in a sound to another sample sound. I know that there's a similar tool out there by Steinberg, the free filter, but I'm sure this is just scratching the surface on similar technology to that. There are so many times when I'm trying to re-create a sound for learning purposes, and get "close", but never quite there. This is almost always due to the fact that I don't want to spend 3 hours in front of my equalizer, giving a .2db boost here and .4db cut there.

I don't think you'll see an "automix" tool soon, it sounds a little difficult to make. I think by not mixing your own track you'll have a hard time developing your own sound too. I already find that half of the new trance songs out there sound way too similar to one another as is, so can only imagine what would happen if there was a good automix vst out there.

Only time will tell. I know one thing for sure, if I only had the tools they were using 10 years ago, I probably would have never started making music, and certainly wouldn't have a track getting released. No number of tools can make an untalented producer make great tracks; they will simply give talented producers less of a headache and faster turnaround time.

An Automix VSTi just seems too complicated to even comprehend. So far freqency analysis VSTis with autocompressors(like VoxegenSonicformer2) help out as a visual ear, but they're far from "load one up/cross your fingers and hope you end up with a perfectrly tonally balanced mix". You actually have to know what you're doing, one thing that the people who will opt for these "Automix" VSTis will not be capable off.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh There will definitely be more tools that get released that allow users to know less and less about mixing/mastering while still getting a pretty good sound. Will these tools replace mastering engineers? I highly doubt it, at least for a pretty long time.

Indeed they will not, but the tendency has already been proven. People are tempted to use such tools, and usually find results they like. And then, when they get the chance of getting their stuff treated by a real mastering engineer, they give him/her a version that was already premastered with those tools. If it's done well, it's ok, but that's rarely the case. And the damage can't be undone.

By no means I say you shouldn't touch your tracks, it's only with practice that you improve. But if you ever have to send out your tracks to a mastering engineer, be sure to include an unprocessed version.

1: yeah use Nord Lead and Virus with reason ... I also want my Playstation program to work on computer with VST`s.. but that aint gonna happen

2: that sounds foolish.. and where is the fun?

3: agreed on that one.. especially the copy protection

4: why should everybody wish for making music easier all the time? music shall be something special.. it shall be difficult and skillful

that is just my opinion

cheers

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Re. automaster - check out freefilter from steinberg..

it copies the 'EQ profile' from a sample and you can apply it to a song.. Gets a little more complicated but in theory it's your automaster

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Originally posted by ravan Re. automaster - check out freefilter from steinberg.. it copies the 'EQ profile' from a sample and you can apply it to a song.. Gets a little more complicated but in theory it's your automaster

The results are almost always crap in my experience with this. Maybe this would be okay for matching up one shot samples, like kicks or snares or something, but using it to master your entire track vs. another released track usually just absolutely destroys what you put into it.

In the future, the mathematical models that emulate of the analog electrical circuits's behaviour will be more precise. Today, we already had the DSP power necessary in order to run complex models, but we don't still have the precise complex algorithms, like we have in other fields of science. Of course, models like those in the Nord Modular are great, but there is differences yet (from the REAL thing).
I think all the people already know that the subtractive synthesis is very powerful to any musical style. We will see the mix of subtractive with something else, such as FM, Wavetable, neural nets-based synthesis etc. New kind of synthesis could be developed as well, but I believe in subtractive synthesis as the main tool for the producer.

I believe there is a strong tendency to move the tools from the hardware to the software, companies and users seem wish that. We will seen complex master keyboards linked to a poweful PC/MAC (with a lot of DSP power). But I prefer hardware-based tools.

id like to see better programmed vsti's that arent just thrown together to make an average sound, id also like to see a drop in the price of hardware. cant really complain about much more things seem to be getting better and better everyday. maybe more powerfull cpu's for cheaper, lol wont be happy till i can have a 32ghz cpu that is under 500bux..... wishfull thinking lol

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh What I would like to see is a tool that can accurately match the freqs in a sound to another sample sound. I know that there's a similar tool out there by Steinberg, the free filter, but I'm sure this is just scratching the surface on similar technology to that.

Have you tried Elevayta's Clone Boy?

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Originally posted by Trancevision (2) Several AUTOMIX and AUTOMASTER tools: There will be more and more tools to give your track a proper sounding without having to be a real mastering freak.

what else do you want?
premade loops melodys and samples?
why not use eJay then ?

i think thats crap
Automaster is like telling everyone "omg i fly that plane" but in the end you just put on the autopilot.
def not my case.

dunno about the other hardware based stuff...i wonder why we should return to "hardware dsps" although we just got rid off them by designing good-sounding VSTs ?

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Originally posted by MaxC Have you tried Elevayta's Clone Boy?

Neat, will check it.

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