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Tiesto ...Deja Vu
I was reading through some older posts made here on tranceaddicts and I found a really intertesting one:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=5
Its errie to see how sh!tty Tiesto was playing live back in 2002 as he is today. It seems that Tiesto goes through these spells of
sh!tty performaces. The funny thing about it was that he continued to maintain his popularity through ( what was predicted by some TA's in the past) w/ one time big events he has done. Tiesto fans in 2002 were losing faith in him but come 2003 he does his TIC show. I wouldnt be suprised if this TIC II is going to be another show that gets us Tiesto intrested in him again ( kinda how the olympis thing also did).
It just interesting reading these old post and hearing some of the same complaints being said.
You know, to me Tiesto's mixing has always been a bit "raw" and "abrupt", it's just that noone really cared until he became #1 and it suddenly became mandatory to bash him for it.
I was listening to his older mix CD's some time ago and to me the mixing sounded exactly the same it does today...
It's just a flavour of the month thing.
Ill be honest with everyone. I never really enjoyed most of the Teisto cd's I heard past or present. I liked alot of his production work and remixes but his cd compliations were not my style.
It only was when I got Tiesto's In Concert DVD that I was like wow I like the songs he is playing ( there were a few really hard one I didnt care for , but most of the dvd Iliked).
Unlike Paul Van Dyk and Armin whose style I liked more at an ealier pointinmy trance life , Tiesto kinda emerged.
-----My 2 Cents---
PVD
I persoanlly like alot of the songs PVd plays but he has a weird tendency to play some really hard repettive annoying beat sh!t in his sets which I hate. I think I love his production and remix work the best of all the djs. I think I was blinded in beleiving that he would spin similar to his production work and as a result when I heard the "bangin" ( i.e. the super hard kiddie hard trance) PVD I was kinda disaapointed in him. I like melodies but I also like hard stuff but not annoying simple crap I hear him play. That said PVD drops some very good hard /melodolic songsthat i love. i.e a current example would be dogzilla-your eyes.In his nature one set this year I would say 70% was awesome but 30% was alittle to hard and stupid annoying hard trance for my taste. I am not sure if it was becuase PVD introduced me to trance or becuase Ilove his production work so much that I always will have a place in my heart for PVD. But his live sets are not what I as expecting from my hero.
Armin
I heard someone else mention that armin plays alot of anthems and after anylizing his tracklists from recent to past I kinda agree with this comment. He seems to drop alot of crowd favorites. But he always past and recent has always stayed true to his roots i.e trance. Unlike PVD , when I bought armins production work and his remixes than I went to go see live there is no difference. He is a trance dj and producer at both ends. No surprises when you go see him. Armin is a very constant DJ. However, unlike PVD ,imo, he doesnnt quite drop those new massive tracks that PVD finds.That said everytime I see Armin live I always feel that I got my moneys worth and I enjoyed the show. Armin is the best live on the spot DJ in the world imo. He seems to please the crowd the best.
Tiesto
All the magic cds I have of his are ok. nothing great. maybe if I was listening to them back in 2000 Iwould feel differently but there not as good as I think ppl make them out to be. I really like his TIC tracklist. I just enjoyed every song he played ( expect disc 3 which was a little to hard). What I loved about him though was his passion and crowd interaction.He jsut seemed to be having fun. It was something new. Seeing him dance to the music kinda made me enjoy the song more. I really enjoyed the very melodic songs he would play. Alot more trancier at times than say Armin. when he puts time and effort in building his tracklsits his is truely amazing, but like I expereinced in Chicago live, he is one of the worst "on the spot(i.e. very little sleep , no preperation , etc)" Dj's to see live. That said Tiesto seems to be able to save himself and his fans by creating these massive parties where he prepares a tracklist (i.e olympics) and wins his fans back and new fans as well.
I think Tiesto would be amazing if he just did 8 large world events. events he would plan and take the time and energy to create. For example one large IN Concert event for NYC, USA would be fine for allof us USA fans. If people knew this was going to be magical they and I would make the effort to see him live in NYC.
tiesto-bashing-thread #192046
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| Originally posted by davepiazza PVD I think I was blinded in beleiving that he would spin similar to his production work and as a result when I heard the "bangin" ( i.e. the super hard kiddie hard trance) PVD I was kinda disaapointed in him. I like melodies but I also like hard stuff but not annoying simple crap I hear him play. That said PVD drops some very good hard /melodolic songsthat i love. i.e a current example would be dogzilla-your eyes.In his nature one set this year I would say 70% was awesome but 30% was alittle to hard and stupid annoying hard trance for my taste. I |
Wasn't 2002 the first year he won #1?
Yeah i admit that his mixing wasn't top notch, but he did produce some awesome sets - his track selection was still superb imo!
Nick Lunn & Yomc pres Techno Punk - Energize
is an example of a bangin PVD tune I like and is hard yet has a melody that is awesome. this is good trance.
Its the super hard crap or annoying sh!t like "no more rock and roll" that I hate. You know what I am refering to that banging beat at 155 bpm with no melody just noise and some very very simple chords. You know the stuff the children w/ glow sticks and ripped clothing like.
My theory is this:
PVD plays this hard techno crap for 5 reasons
1. When I saw PVD at places where the crowd was older and more shall we say mature he played alot of great melodies and great banging tracks i.e energize and thats life. This was expereinced first hand when he was in Chicago and played at Sound-Bar( a more mature club). However, when he was in Central Park this year he played to alot of raver or teenage crowd so he throwed down his hard beaty sh!t along w/ some melodies. But his tracklist sucked. For example, he would play some super hard techno boring beat song than play no one on earth (G&D rmx). No flow. Then he would trick me in beleiling that the set was getting good but ..boom.. he comes back with more sh!tty techno.
2. I think PVD becuase of his German roots actually digs the Techno sh!t. Remeber PVD grew up listening to that horriable and pathetic Detroit Techno music.
3. The soild base line he like is those great melody tunes are easy to mix with soild base line from sh!t techno tunes.
4. Maybe he gets bored playing and creating all the melody music and looked for something that was the totally opposite of what he normally produces. which lead him to annoying hard techno sh!t.
5. Maybe he is trying to "stand out" and be different and be known for being a DJ that plays awesome trance with some really horrible annoying techno .
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I just think ALOT of PVD fans heard GLOBAL DVD, OUT THERE AND BACK , Or REFLECTIONS and think this is what PVD is all about ( I know this was me). I was just excited to see and meet the man who made such beautiful music. But I guess all PVD fans after seeing him live, realize that what he plays live is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the PVD you admired at home. So over time you begin to understand that two PVD's exist; the sh!tty techno PVD and the BEAUTIFUL MUSIC MAKER which we also call PVD.
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| Originally posted by neoraver tiesto-bashing-thread #192046 yeah same here, can't really stand that wannabe-hard-trance-style á la A.S.Y.S - No More F****n' Rock 'n' Roll or Nick Lunn & Yomc pres Techno Punk - Energize or DJ Cyglas - Axis Of Evil (Techno Punk Remix) |
if you think of it tiesto every year comes up with a big preformance...dutch dimension in 2002 and that awesome video of it...TiC and the awesome DVD...makes his name stick in ur head..he also has fun andentertains..thats why people like him i think..every year he pulls up a big preformance...i think TiC 2 will be just in time for the voting..smart guy.
from the brain droppings above, one might liken the op's discovery of trance to columbus's of america
Was happening long before 2002.
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You know, to me Tiesto's mixing has always been a bit "raw" and "abrupt", it's just that noone really cared until he became #1 and it suddenly became mandatory to bash him for it. I was listening to his older mix CD's some time ago and to me the mixing sounded exactly the same it does today... |
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic if you think of it tiesto every year comes up with a big preformance...dutch dimension in 2002 and that awesome video of it...TiC and the awesome DVD...makes his name stick in ur head..he also has fun andentertains..thats why people like him i think..every year he pulls up a big preformance...i think TiC 2 will be just in time for the voting..smart guy. |
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| Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! errrrrr *buzzzzz* wrong answer TIC is actually about a month after voting closes. Although that wont stop a lot of armchair fans who dont know better to say - he's doing a TIC 2 that makes him the best. LOSERS. |
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| Originally posted by davepiazza Tiesto All the magic cds I have of his are ok. nothing great. maybe if I was listening to them back in 2000 Iwould feel differently but there not as good as I think ppl make them out to be. I really like his TIC tracklist. I just enjoyed every song he played ( expect disc 3 which was a little to hard). What I loved about him though was his passion and crowd interaction.He jsut seemed to be having fun. It was something new. Seeing him dance to the music kinda made me enjoy the song more. I really enjoyed the very melodic songs he would play. Alot more trancier at times than say Armin. when he puts time and effort in building his tracklsits his is truely amazing, but like I expereinced in Chicago live, he is one of the worst "on the spot(i.e. very little sleep , no preperation , etc)" Dj's to see live. That said Tiesto seems to be able to save himself and his fans by creating these massive parties where he prepares a tracklist (i.e olympics) and wins his fans back and new fans as well. I think Tiesto would be amazing if he just did 8 large world events. events he would plan and take the time and energy to create. For example one large IN Concert event for NYC, USA would be fine for allof us USA fans. If people knew this was going to be magical they and I would make the effort to see him live in NYC. |
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| Originally posted by davepiazza WRONG TIC was in May voting didnt begin until August. Last time I check the calendar May comes before August. TIC II I think is what you are refering to. Reguardless the point being made is that Tiesto , through these events, is able to re-create his image of good standing amongst fans and newdies for anothers 6-7 months until he sucks again and needs to do another big show. Clever marketing from the Dutch indeed. |
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| Originally posted by davepiazza Armin I heard someone else mention that armin plays alot of anthems and after anylizing his tracklists from recent to past I kinda agree with this comment. He seems to drop alot of crowd favorites. But he always past and recent has always stayed true to his roots i.e trance. Unlike PVD , when I bought armins production work and his remixes than I went to go see live there is no difference. He is a trance dj and producer at both ends. No surprises when you go see him. Armin is a very constant DJ. However, unlike PVD ,imo, he doesnnt quite drop those new massive tracks that PVD finds.That said everytime I see Armin live I always feel that I got my moneys worth and I enjoyed the show. Armin is the best live on the spot DJ in the world imo. He seems to please the crowd the best. |
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| Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Do you actually think about what ur gonna say before typing??? I've never seen so much shit in one place. Ur basing ur opinion of TIC on the rip... if u were there - u'd understand just why people have no control over obsession with tiesto. He doesnt need to save himself - u only get to hear wats broadcast and most of the time its festivals where tiesto admitedly isnt at 100% - he has to limit himself to play a short set - where i believe he's more uncomfortable. Then like u say he does TIC and thats broadcasted - so everyone in America suddenly hears the 'true' tiesto and think he's god again. If only they knew he was more like this than he is their opinion based on 1 live showing in a year. U've been to Chicago and wasn't impressed. He doesnt hit it 100/100 everytime. even to have 90 sets out of 100 (over 12 months) to be excellent is a good turn over in my opinion... And u can't base ur opinion on how shit he is live on just 1 set. If u DJ - it would be like if i turned up at your house with 2 records u had never heard before... and asked u to mix them perfectly first time without getting any soundclash or hi-hats fucking up... u wouldnt do it. But does that mean u are a shit dj? Or just one that didnt perform when it mattered? Tiesto can come to Chicago and not play what YOU want to hear. That doesnt mean he is bad. If he doest wave or blow kisses at you - it doesnt make him a bad dj. U don't like 'disc 3' of TIC... says it all. If u like EDM and trance how can u not like the whole set from TIC??? lmao If he did just do 8 gigs a year that u bollocked on about... why would you bother going??? damn... u might like the first hour - but what about when he plays some techno to spice it up a bit.. or some hard trance *heaven forbid*... hope u bring ur ear muffs. Maybe in 2 years time... u can get this topic back up and realise just what a waste of space it is... or even laugh about how u doubted putting techno into a set - as ur now old enough to realise it has a purpose in the direction and flow of a set. |
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| Originally posted by davepiazza you must like techno. No I have been to 5 or 6 Teisto shows. and have alot his live sets radio and club shit on cd. I saw his TIc on DVD but also got the entire concert on Cd becuase the DVD edited alot out. I was at his last show here in Chicago at the house of blues which was amazing( just to show you I am not bashing him). I never really cared for his magic stuff. Kinda lame. I prefered PVD over Tiesto at that time. Out There and Back owned me at that time. Good points you made up to the point about the techno thing. I think I will never like Techno. Unless I start doing drugs or time warp and turn 18 again P.S. Go read Tiesto party reports on his forum and you'll see what Im talking about. I dont think its a waste of space if we all have an intellegent debate on it. Instead of the typical "oine line" bashing |
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| Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Are u a gimp? Cos wearing a mask is the only reason i can think of why u didnt see OR READ .... |
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| Originally posted by kr00t0n this is what i dont get about the bigger named djs, i would rather hear tracks that are generally enjoyed by most (ie anthems) as opposed to some dj that I dont personally know deciding for me what I should like because he does and is god as the bigger names go, armin is the only one I'd expect to enjoy seeing, as i dont like what tiesto and pvd play, and when ferry does play the trance i like, it's all his own stuff from 99. armin kinda does the past and present thing and is more likely to play the kinda trance i like i've recently been noticing that none of the big names play what i own on 12", and its the smaller names/up n comings/club residents that do |
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| Originally posted by davepiazza I dont understand why people use such language? Cant people have intellegent conversation w/ attacking another person? I wrote some opinions I had hoping to stir a bit of conversation not an arguement. I try my best to be fair yet express what I feel. I am sorry if my opinions are not in favor with yours. I feel the only the only way others and future Ta members can learn something about DJ's is though intellegent debate. Not these childish remarks. How old are you? You must be like 16 or 17 !? Just calm down..breath.... I know you excited but you can do it |
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| Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! errrrrr *buzzzzz* wrong answer TIC is actually about a month after voting closes. LOSERS. |
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| Originally posted by davepiazza I dont have any idea WTF your talking about but clearly here you are saying that TIC ( which was his first concert) occured after voting closes. WRONG TIC ( May 2003 ) occured BEFORE the ballots are sent off for voting. PLEASE CLARIFY IF I AM WRONG |
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| Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! ROFL if EVERYONE played anthems trance would be boring and out of that a very stagnant scene. Having new tunes or promo tunes or quirky signiature tunes for each dj is a way of keeping the scene fresh. If the big names play some strange thing that was produced by someone u've never heard of why feel the need to buy it if u don't like it... just pass on it. My question to u on that is - - how do anthems become anthems??? At one time they were unknown tunes by unknown artists given to the DJ... only in time have they become so well known - and at one point the anthem would've been the ID or the unknown track in the set. In 2003 u hear veracocha and go mental... in 1997 would u have frowned???? |
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