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trance songs had formal intro's and outo's...you seem to only find that Psy-Trance is consistent with each song having a formal intro and outro...it makes a song more complete for me. I understand that the beat-ful beginnings are made for mixing purposes, but how would adding an intro or an outro hurt that???

Come on producers!!!!

read your post again , you answered yourself

Most DJs are producers too, so can tailor a song, rework it and add an intro.

#1 i dont want to mix into a song where i need to cue 2 minutes into it, having go look for a beat is pointless! its a pain during quick situations where i need to mix. most producers are DJs and understand this concept

#2 tracks with a good beat are easy to mix, and it makes for a good cue, as i said before


for me the beginning beats, and ending beats are good enough, if you want an intro our long outro buy an artist album with album mixes

Same here... I really love tunes with formal intro's, I also try and make such intro's in my own productions, melodic and emotional intro's are my favorites.

Like in Tiesto � Forever today

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Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^ Same here... I really love tunes with formal intro's, I also try and make such intro's in my own productions, melodic and emotional intro's are my favorites. Like in Tiesto � Forever today

To me, and this is all purely my opinion obviously, Forever Today just starts out with this classical stuff till mid 3rd minute, then there is a beat which turns into like I don't know how to call it, some sort of an Industrial kind of tune (probably not the right word for it, but okay) and then all of a sudden at min 7 it turns into the only part I like about the track, the more uplifting beat, and then the outro is the industrial sound again. Now, what is the function of the classical stuff? Not that it should have a function of course, but I have been wondering about this for a while, I mean the beginning is so different from the rest of the track, almost as if its a different track.

Anyway, I rambled on there way too much, just had to get it out there.

Mixing out of Forever Today is a pain

That crescendo is too much, it will either sound great leading into the next song or totally gash.

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Originally posted by th0m To me, and this is all purely my opinion obviously, Forever Today just starts out with this classical stuff till mid 3rd minute, then there is a beat which turns into like I don't know how to call it, some sort of an Industrial kind of tune (probably not the right word for it, but okay) and then all of a sudden at min 7 it turns into the only part I like about the track, the more uplifting beat, and then the outro is the industrial sound again. Now, what is the function of the classical stuff? Not that it should have a function of course, but I have been wondering about this for a while, I mean the beginning is so different from the rest of the track, almost as if its a different track. Anyway, I rambled on there way too much, just had to get it out there.

Well that�s exactly what turns this tune to be as great and unique as it is, the fact that it combines elements of both classic music and industrial like. And that�s just what I love about that tune.
That�s the whole beauty of it IMO.

I agree with the earlier post about cueing. I don't want to have to search the record for my cue point. I have some tracks that I have to do that and others that kick the beat in earlier. The earlier the easier. I like finding some tracks that are better for intros, but, in reality, I only need one intro and one outro track per set. And if your outro has a beat out, kill your bass a little early to create an outro.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I agree with the earlier post about cueing. I don't want to have to search the record for my cue point. I have some tracks that I have to do that and others that kick the beat in earlier. The earlier the easier. I like finding some tracks that are better for intros, but, in reality, I only need one intro and one outro track per set. And if your outro has a beat out, kill your bass a little early to create an outro.

a lot of tracks with intro's, once you have done your beatmatching, can be cued in. so you have an intro going over a beat, which means you can leave a bit more bass in until the kick comes in, and it sounds fantastic when you get it right too!

but yeah, it is easier for djing purposes, to have the track start on a kick.

a good long percussive intro like in Gouryella - Gouryella.. or Rank 1 - Awakening style stuff has cool intro`s.. melodic intros are mostly for cheesie stuff.... in my opininon that is..

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Originally posted by tu_face a lot of tracks with intro's, once you have done your beatmatching, can be cued in. so you have an intro going over a beat, which means you can leave a bit more bass in until the kick comes in, and it sounds fantastic when you get it right too! but yeah, it is easier for djing purposes, to have the track start on a kick.

It sounds really good, but it's hard as hell to do. You have to be so precise with your start point, it makes it tough. But if you pull it off, it sounds great.

songs with long intros are great for starting your set, but are a bitch for mixing. mixing with cdrs helps that problem because you can cue to the exact spot where the beat starts. but, the whole reason producers don't make too many songs with intros is because IT IS hard to mix. However cool it may be to listen to an intro, you're not gonna sell as many records if you have them. DJs want something they can throw on and mix quickly, not something which takes 30 seconds to cue.

but, i totally agree with you.. i love intros too. my favorite has to be the intro on "sweetest dreams" (ferry corsten remix)

pEy

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Originally posted by progressivepey songs with long intros are great for starting your set, but are a bitch for mixing. mixing with cdrs helps that problem because you can cue to the exact spot where the beat starts. but, the whole reason producers don't make too many songs with intros is because IT IS hard to mix. However cool it may be to listen to an intro, you're not gonna sell as many records if you have them. DJs want something they can throw on and mix quickly, not something which takes 30 seconds to cue.

whether a track has an intro or not bears no relevence as to whether or not i buy the record

...i wouldnt have gotten in a fookin accident last night!!!

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Originally posted by tu_face a lot of tracks with intro's, once you have done your beatmatching, can be cued in. so you have an intro going over a beat, which means you can leave a bit more bass in until the kick comes in, and it sounds fantastic when you get it right too! but yeah, it is easier for djing purposes, to have the track start on a kick.

Agreed. Coldplay - Clocks (Cosmos mix) is that way. I've mixed it, and I heard Sander K mix it in Miami. Yes it sounds great done well. I also buy records on their quality to me, not how they are formulated. I don't shy away from a challenging mix, but I prefer the kick to come in first, if possible.

you mean like magik journey right.... hmm except it doesnt have an outro

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