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Novation is dead
Novation has been aquired by Focusrite Audio Engineering Ltd. A new company, Novation DMS Ltd has been set up.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You all can have your guesses why the company went under, I sure as hell have mine 
no hint of that on their website. where did you hear this?
Hey, I've got the mad inside hookups 
naw, dancetech.com's admin started a thread that said so and this novation tech support guy who posts on dancetech posted that exact message that I posted here...just copied and pasted it
"Novation has been aquired by Focusrite Audio Engineering Ltd. A new company, Novation DMS Ltd has been set up."
My freind said the same thing as well, but this information is not sure yet.
If that's true, I think it's a great tragedy, because the Supernova II was a amazing synth. Waldorf, Novation... What's the next?
The huge improvements of cpu power and the warez industry will take all these companies down (who wants to pay for synths if you can dl them for free? with these hilarious questions as result 
) . Access and clavia survived because of their software/hardware combi products I guess? Anyway this is very sad news, (super)nova, drumstation and bassstation were classics.
dunno i guess access and clavia will rest for a while.. the result will be that we'll all be using the same material tho.. especially the waldorf's had a unique sound.
EDM synths are kinda a niche market anyway, Honestly I think they die because not many people can afford the expensive hardware and they lose to their cheaper competition.
One doesnt even need warez to take away from their business, theres so much free stuff out there.
Its sad to see companies go away, but new ones will come, its just one of the ways we all have to move forward, and yet another thing that old skool ppl will talk about to make themselves feel cool, heh.
Its not like nobody will ever try to get sounds out of a circuit again, theres gonna be others to replace the ones that go away.
"The huge improvements of cpu power and the warez industry will take all these companies down"
Sadly I agree with you.
Supernova II had already been discontinued and Novation didn't release nothing in its place. Still, I think the KS4/KS5 synths weren't selling as well as Novation expected and there are a lot of V-Station pirated version on the Net.
Nowadays, I think the Supernova II it's a very underrated synth. But I love my Supernova II ;-D
wait .. Waldorf is dead also ? Are you friggin kidding me ? I want a Q so bad it almost hurts, but I won't get the money till next year I think .. will they still be sold new ? Or will I have to go buy them second hand ?
Aaaaaaah sad news ! This means less competition and higher prices for us to pay for new synth ... I don't understand, they were owning hard with the v-station no ? I sure as hell love it ! Maybe it made the k-station obsolete and they lost too much money on that synth then ? Oh sec I just read sonic's post, didn't know that. Well the poco should solve that nasty little piracy I think no ?
novation make some quality synths as well.
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| Originally posted by BelgianGuru wait .. Waldorf is dead also ? Are you friggin kidding me ? |
yes I was looking into the Micro Q sorry, not the Q. I see nothing but good about it in reviews, on the forum, by producers etc.. .. but does this mean they are no longer made ? Or simply taken over by another company ? Can I still buy the Micro Q in a year NEW, or only second hand ?
This was posted recently on the A-Station User group site.
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Dear Novation Customer, As most of you are now probably aware Novation Electronic Music System Ltd. ceased trading on June 30 2004 after entering into Adminstration and that Focusrite has acquired the assets of the original Novation brand. I think it is now appropriate to send out a message to assure existing Novation customers about the future support of Novation products by the new Focusrite company, Novation Digital Music Systems Ltd. In specific response to some of the statements made on this forum regarding customer support and undelivered product features I would like to offer a corporate apology for any disappointment caused by any apparent inactivity or lack of timely response to your question or requests. By way of explanation I would ask your understanding that in the last 12 months the Novation engineering team has been under extreme commercial pressure and has not necessarily been able to support you, its customers, in a way that they or you would perhaps expect. The Novation team were in fact working to rectify the problems listed below but were never able to complete the work due to the commercial pressures they faced. My personal intention is that Novation customers will come to enjoy the level of support that Focusrite customers expect as a given when they buy Focusrite products. In response to this new environment the first action of the Novation engineering team has been to audit the status and performance of its existing products and to consider any issues which require immediate attention to resolve customer problems. Below you fill find a list of issues which will be resolved over the coming months and I am pleased to be able to state that your extraordinary patience will ultimately be rewarded. If there is anything that we've not got on the log, please mail me and we'll do our best to take care of it in a timely manner. From sospubs.co.uk Thank you for your patience and goodwill, Rob Jenkins Director of Product Strategy Focusrite Audio Engineering |
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| Originally posted by BelgianGuru Can I still buy the Micro Q in a year NEW, or only second hand ? |
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| Originally posted by conexion quote: Dear Novation Customer, As most of you are now probably aware Novation Electronic Music System Ltd. ceased trading on June 30 2004 after entering into Adminstration and that Focusrite has acquired the assets of the original Novation brand. |
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| Originally posted by BelgianGuru yes I was looking into the Micro Q sorry, not the Q. I see nothing but good about it in reviews, on the forum, by producers etc.. .. but does this mean they are no longer made ? Or simply taken over by another company ? Can I still buy the Micro Q in a year NEW, or only second hand ? |
(sorry for shameless promotion)
Sorry but the argument that hardware synths are "too expensive" is absolute shit.
Look at some of the best software synths and their prices. Then add about 30 effects processors. Look at the price now, then look at the price of a second hand novation nova.
The right hardware synths are dirt cheap if you are actually buying your software. And if you're cracking them and using the excuse that the "real thing is too expensive" than it proves you shouln't be making music in the first place. ESPECIALLY the worthless twats who make money off of their music. That just ENRAGES me.
Another fun argument is "Oh im just learning and screwing around." No you're not, you're stealing someone else's product. Do you think Billy Joel stole his first piano to learn on it?
No, he didn't. You're HURTING companies and everyone who is honest enough to buy the software in the first place.
I ask all those who have their little cracked studios here to make a nice little tab of how much all of their cracked software retails for. Add it all up. I don't care if you "don't use that one, its just there." Because I don't use all the parts on the hardware synths i have. Or I don't load up a session of reason and throw on every single unit my cpu can run. Add em all up, see how much they cost. Then look at the prices of hardware and realize how much money you stole from every company that you have warez from.
Not to mention, if you claim to "love the music so much, i just dont have enough money right now to buy my software" then realize, that YOU are the reason why dance music is shitting itself now. And you are the reason why dance music isn't going as mainstream as it should.
I had to vent that out, it's just so frustrating to those who actually do do it right.
waldorf isn't officially dead...the insolvency manager is looking for someone to take it over. Stefan Stenzel which was one of the Waldorf employees and who worked on the OS's for the XT is in the process of making a new OS update for the XT. If you have any queations about product support goto http://www.stadler-electro.de which is owned by Stefan Stenzel or come to our new user forum..sign up here http://waldorf.synth.net/userforum.html
I own a Qkb and an XT and love them both.
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| Originally posted by Limit come to our new user forum..sign up here http://waldorf.synth.net/userforum.html |
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| Originally posted by SignalRunners B Sorry but the argument that hardware synths are "too expensive" is absolute shit. Look at some of the best software synths and their prices. Then add about 30 effects processors. Look at the price now, then look at the price of a second hand novation nova. The right hardware synths are dirt cheap if you are actually buying your software. And if you're cracking them and using the excuse that the "real thing is too expensive" than it proves you shouln't be making music in the first place. ESPECIALLY the worthless twats who make money off of their music. That just ENRAGES me. Another fun argument is "Oh im just learning and screwing around." No you're not, you're stealing someone else's product. Do you think Billy Joel stole his first piano to learn on it? No, he didn't. You're HURTING companies and everyone who is honest enough to buy the software in the first place. I ask all those who have their little cracked studios here to make a nice little tab of how much all of their cracked software retails for. Add it all up. I don't care if you "don't use that one, its just there." Because I don't use all the parts on the hardware synths i have. Or I don't load up a session of reason and throw on every single unit my cpu can run. Add em all up, see how much they cost. Then look at the prices of hardware and realize how much money you stole from every company that you have warez from. Not to mention, if you claim to "love the music so much, i just dont have enough money right now to buy my software" then realize, that YOU are the reason why dance music is shitting itself now. And you are the reason why dance music isn't going as mainstream as it should. I had to vent that out, it's just so frustrating to those who actually do do it right. |
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| Originally posted by Massive84 few questions for you. your age? your work? your income? how educated are your parents and family and you? you make it sound easy to get 2000 dollars and start buying synths, while you know how reality works, getting a job is not easy anymore. |
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| Originally posted by Veverka So in fact you're saying that poor people have the *right* to steal? |
Novation isn't dead!!!!
Just because they have merged with another company doesn't mean they wont keep releasing inovative products. They are an ideal company to take synths forward as they have knowledge of hardware as well as software and im sure that the future of synths will consist of a hardware shell with software technology and updates. Its the only way they will make money - hardware is losing to software because of the price and the size of the screen but software companies are losing out big style to pirates. The only way to solve this is to make software that can only work with a hardware interface. A little like the TC Powercore.
I might be wrong but it sounds like the perfect opportunity for Novation to me..........................
Millsy
Well, only a few people can afford to buy 400$ or higher machines, since everyone is charging in that area it makes sense that companies are going to die.
How does a kid who is still in school afford one of these things besides saving up for it for a looong time. An older person with an established job and some decent funds isn't as likely to be interested in EDM, and the rich kids have found newer fads to patronize.
These companies aren't only losing out to the warez, they are losing out to cheaper solutions. One can obtain a pretty complete setup using only freeware, it's already been proven, professionals have put out big songs using free programs. A 100$ investment can get someone a decent program or 2, maybe even a midi controller. One could take the cost one one hardware synth and build a nearly complete and decent music making system with all the cheaper things that are available.
Sure it might not be as "high quality" but the sad truth is that most people would rather just make music then sacrifice the large chunk of income required to get most of the hardware that is for sale.
How does buying your software make hardware synths dirt cheap?
Companies that try to sell things to people who cannot afford them are just asking to die, there isn't enough money in what we do to allow most of us the luxury of buying such expensive equipment.
Being a poor college student my setup consists of:
Buzz
FruityLoops
Freeware VST's
Other free programs(analogx stuff, open source things, free samples and things tranceaddicts have contributed for free download)
nothing is stolen, and nothing has ever been stolen, I am well aware of the implications of using cracked software and choose not to, so I'm not hurting anyone by stealng, instead I'm hurting them by using things that I can actually afford.
Anyone can crack open a book and learn to program, a ton of ameteurs have made programs that create and modulate sound and they give them out freely, and are happy to do it because they enjoy the appreciatio. With the huge amount of free things that people are constantly putting out, there are alot of possibilities. In the same sense, anyone can order circuit pieces and put them together if they know what they are doing. I'm at a school with an army of engineers just begging for some fun project to dive into. Once a person comes up with a design and mass produces it things get even cheaper to make, and those circuit components are cheap as hell if you order them in bulk.
What we are really paying for is the labor put into their design and the giant cost of educating their designers, that and the marketing and whatnot. After all that is payed for, the price gets marked up hardcore even more so that the people that make all this stuff can earn a living and have some money to spend. Companies that want to survive either have to make something that is so wonderful that people buy it anyway, or sell it for cheaper and hope that more people buy it once it is more easily obtainable, and try to get their profits from a larger set of lower-income customers, because the tiny group of people that can actually afford all this shit has been spread too thin to sustain all the companies that are making all the things we like to play with.
My argument isn't shit, there are a great many people who are in the same situation as me who choose not to buy things that they cannot afford.
30 decent effects processors: 0$
good software synth: 150$
other good software synth: 0$
2nd hand decent hardware: 300$-1000$
Don't get me wrong, I very much want to have the pricey programs and hardware one of these days, but in order for the industry to move forward and get better, some of the comanies will have to die. I very much enjoy the world of ameteur sound and like the idea that any average peasant can make quality music, things seem a lot more original and diverse when more people are given the ability to produce instead of a privaleged few.
People who want to make music don't have to steal anymore, so unless companies adapt to this competition, they will suffer.
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