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technics???

i want to seriosly know what makes technics so good are they really better than the rest or is it just the famous djs use them and thats what everyone wants?
i want to buy some turntables so everyone says buy technics but i dont want to spend that kind of cash for turntables if i end up not likeing them and not useing them again(it could happen) so i just wanted to know if ya could please tell me are stantons, numark, or any others really not worth it

Everyone says Techs b/c they're a very proven deck. They're built like tanks and will last you forever and should you decide the DJ thing is not for you they carry a nice re-sale value with them as well. However, I own Numark TTX-1s and am convinced that those are every bit as good as Techs and will think that until the decks prove me wrong. The main reason everyone recommends Techs is because of their tremendous track record as far as usuabilty and reliability are concerned. As far as my TTX-1s go, time will only tell....

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Originally posted by Wraith Everyone says Techs b/c they're a very proven deck. They're built like tanks and will last you forever and should you decide the DJ thing is not for you they carry a nice re-sale value with them as well. However, I own Numark TTX-1s and am convinced that those are every bit as good as Techs and will think that until the decks prove me wrong. The main reason everyone recommends Techs is because of their tremendous track record as far as usuabilty and reliability are concerned. As far as my TTX-1s go, time will only tell....

True, and time has told that technics last where new (and technicaly better decks, like the Synq XTRM-1 for instance or the TTX-1) haven't proven themselves yet. If you wanna play safe, buy technics.

technics are annoying. yes, they are a good deck, but i enjoy the comforting knowledge that whatever i want to play, i can play. whereas with technics, if it doesn't go fast enough at +8%, you are fucked.

this might not sound as much of a problem for the average trance dj. but when it comes to fucking about, laying more than 2 tracks in in one go, fucking about with lil cuts and shit like that, its crap because you always have to worry about whether it will go fast enough. particularly with techno. i know for a fact i couldn't play some of the sets i play without a deck with some form of ultra pitch (which with regards to technics, you have to pay �475 per deck for).

then there is the reverse function, which a lot of people here would regard as pretty useless. i find it pretty useful when cutting (backwards) loops in and other such stuff, which makes things a little more interesting.

then there is the fact that they are vastly over-priced, and technics keep conning people into buying what is pretty much the same deck for an extra �50 per year (or even more. e.g. the mk5g being �130 more expensive than a mk2, when the only real difference is the lack of a notch on the pitch fader and the +/-16% pitch range). coupled with that there is the fact that there are decks that do a little more than just play records for a lot less money, which are just as good.

i agree, technics sl1200/1210 have stood the test of time (first arriving in the late 70's. although i'm sure that if anyone still has one from the 70's, it will be screwed ), but i am pretty sure that other decks that are around (and havn't been around for as long) will still show through later in time.

the reason everyone gets all jumped up about this deck, is because its the "industry standard". but lets be honest, it's only the industry standard because club owners can't be arsed to buy new decks, and if they did, they would want a new pair of technics, which are �130 more for the same deck with a few tweeks that should have been there in the first place. the industry standard is still the technics sl1200/1210 mk2, which in my books is ridiculous.

Theres better tables out there...but if youre not sure whether or not youre going to stick with it (djing that is) get used tables.

i read from somewhere that sven v�th still uses the same techs he bought in the beginning of the 80's

You can change your pitch on the tech's to go from a max of +/-8 to +/-16


One of the guys at one of the local record stores was telling me how to do it. Im sure there are guides on the net showing you how

I agree that there are other decent decks out there besides technics...like the stanton st-100's or the vestax pdx-2000's.. i have had the stanton str8-90's for a year now..and show no signs of slowing down..there are other decent choices besides just technics!

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Originally posted by Special_K You can change your pitch on the tech's to go from a max of +/-8 to +/-16 One of the guys at one of the local record stores was telling me how to do it. Im sure there are guides on the net showing you how

see this is my point... why not just put a button on the front?

They are the industry standard that is certainly true.

As for the fact that there are better decks out there I'm not so sure.
The Mk2s have everything you need to spin well and be creative.

I know some of the other decks have other features but to be honest none of them have any features that I feel would justify even thinking about getting them.

Maybe some decks have more torque... so what do you need that for?

Some decks can hold the key of a track while you change the speed. Perhaps useful if you need to make a lot of corrections and you don't want to be heard. But to be fair the technology that does this on those decks that have it isn't up to scratch and creates issues of it's own.
And it's not like you can't learn to make good corrections without this tool.

In my opinion, most of the technology on the competitions decks are to make crap DJs sound better than they really are. Technics show the DJ as he/she really is.
I know some will disagree but this is my opinion.

Cheers
Nem

I have never seen Nem to point out something that wasn't true. There are a lot of people yelling about the price of Technics and that their quality sucks. The price is high, but as with all things in life, you get what you pay for. Pay less for decks, chances are, you're getting less.
When it comes to quality, nothing touches them. I have dropped a turntable before in transit. Any problems, nope. I am not saying you should go out and throw around your turntables just pointing out you do this on some decks that relies on all those fancy circuit boards that create the useless problematic effects, they won't hold up. Time takes its toll as well and Technics are really the only old decks I have seen around. There's still some kicking from way back in the day that have been in club environments their whole life (exposed to humidity, smoke, dust -- something that will also kill those more circuit based "effect" turtables). If you want quality, reliability and the standard in the industry, go with Technics and don't think twice.

true true, a button would be nice.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Maybe some decks have more torque... so what do you need that for?

Ya this is so true. I mean so many new people that are buying decks will tell me about how much more torque the new numarks have over the techs. Im left thinking to myself "Why teh F**K do you need so much goddamn torque" i mean ive been playing on techs for like 6 years and i have never even thought about needing more torque. Maybe its better for if your scratching and stuff but you cant sit here and tell me that turntablists use anything but techs.

does anyone know why everyone are having wet dreams about all this extra torque? what can you do that you couldnt do on a tech?

thanks for the advice
i dont now about the torqe wet dreams but you all did tell me what i needed to know to make a informed decision on my turntable purchase i think i will buy some use technics off ebay or something ill look around

do any of ya have any ideas were i can find some used or cheap decks?

Well, I have two TT:
1 Tech SL-3300 from 1977 - Still in near mint shape. Plays perfectly. No complaints

and

1 Numark TTX-1 - Awesome!

My review: The tech is old so the motor is old, so what? When beatmaching I like to brake the record a little by touching it by the side, and for that matter I kind'a like the tech a little more, but if I brake it too much I'll have to reset cos it takes forever to get it up to speed again. But of course I'm comparing it to the TTX which is so fucking fast!

I'm still getting the hand for those extras (rewind and key lock). As far as build quality. TTX is new also, but I'm betting it'll last very long. The tone arm is not automatic like the tech so for my handling thats a plus (sometimes I use the start function of the tech and its mixed up some way that it moves toward the resting position when it's already there and I force it the other way - which I shouldn't).

Anyway I've written too much already. If yous got any specific ?? ask me.

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Originally posted by Special_K does anyone know why everyone are having wet dreams about all this extra torque? what can you do that you couldnt do on a tech?

the extra torque means that you moving the record about doesn't affevct the speed at which the platter spins. higher torque decks have noticibly quicker start/brake times (and most of them are adjustable), and when back-cueing it means you dont need to push as much to get the record in exactly the right place at exactly the right pitch at exactly the right time (plus the friction doesn't affect the platter speed as much as you do it).

yes i know you can do this with techs too (you can do it with any damn deck), but because of lower torque they are more sensetive to forces on the platter, especially if you use the platter to slow the track down. thats where an bit of extra torque (even just half a kg/m) would make the 1210/1200 a better deck.

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