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Sidechaining in cubase./nuendo

can someone give me a tutorial

i know fuck all about sidechaining

well you need a plugin or a hardware compressor to use side chianing...the only plugin that I know of that you can side chain is the TC Native plugins. It has a side chain feature. What side chaining is, is you take a source track as your master and choose a secondary track as a slave. Now what this does is let the master track controll the volume level of the slave. So for example you take a kick drum loop as a master and a bass line as a slave, so what happens here is that u set the level of compression and when the master is playing the slave volume is decreased and when the master is not playing the slave volume is increased. So basically you have a gap in between each beat of a kick drum and at taht point the bassline volume would be increased, and when the kick plays the bassline voluem would decrease. This depends on the compression settings. Too make it easier just think of a radio broadcaster, they usually have some type of music playing in the background, and if you listen carefully when they stop talking teh music volume would slightely increase. I know this isn't a tutorial but I don't know what your using to do it. Anyway this should clear upo what sidechaining is all about. you can use side chaining for many different things, like side chaining a high hat loop to a pad to give the pad some movement(a fairly common method used in dance music).

Limit Out!

thank si knew what it is just cant get it going in cubase....i have aves c1-sc which supports it i think

basically you take cubase, then you buy a strong chain, about 3-4 feet in length, and attach it to each side of cubase. Easiest way to sidechain.

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Originally posted by moth basically you take cubase, then you buy a strong chain, about 3-4 feet in length, and attach it to each side of cubase. Easiest way to sidechain.

**** ..woke me up for nothing lol

as limit said, the only way to get it working is to use the compressor that comes with the TC native bundle.

the waves C1 has a sidechaining feature but it works in a different way so it can't be utilized in cubase.

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Originally posted by Vizay as limit said, the only way to get it working is to use the compressor that comes with the TC native bundle. the waves C1 has a sidechaining feature but it works in a different way so it can't be utilized in cubase.

hmmmmmmmmm....thanks..chec this out..

I will be using a vsti synth for the audio part to be compressed, vsti drum machine for the sidechain and obviously a compressor plugin that supports sidechaining. This tutorial will be generic, just so you will know how to set up sidechain (I will be using the Waves C1 comp-sc so the settings for a different compressor may differ, consult its manual).

1) open a new (empty) project and move the right marker to measure 5 so you can have a 4 measure loop (enable loop mode on the transport)

2)add 2 midi tracks and a stereo group track.

3) place the synth as the midi out on the first midi track, and the drum machine on the second midi track (the synth patch should be able to play a constant note for the duration of the loop so it will be easier to hear the comp kicking in, and the drum machine should have a nice strong kick with a fast attack time).

4) draw in the midi for the 2 midi channels. The synth is going to be 1 continuous note that takes up the full 4 bars. The drums should only be the kick once per beat.

5) add the C1 comp-sc as an insert device on the group channel.

6) Now we start the routing. In the inspector, Set the output of the synth's AUDIO channel (not the midi channel) to the input of the group and set the pan to hard right.

7) For the drum's audio channel (again NOT the midi channel) put in a pre-fader send to the group (in the channel settings window). Make sure that the send is "on" and that the send level is raised to at least 0db. Now pan the send to hard left (the pan parameter is only visible on the send when in routing mode, found in the little black box at the top right of the channel settings window) We want this to be pre-fader so we can turn down this channel's fader and not change the send's level to the group (compressor).

8) play back the loop, if everything is set up correctly you should hear the synth on the right, the drums on both left and right (although slightly higher volume on the left ( now that it is going through 2 channels). If the group's fader is turned down all the way then the synth should not be heard and the kick (if mono) should be equal on both sides.

9) Now to set up the compressor. For "EQ mode" select "sidechain". For "key mode" select "L --> R" , this sets the kick as the sidechain key and the synth's signal as what is to be controlled by the key. For "monitor" select "sidechain". This will make it so you only hear the kick through the compressor. Now adjust the "threshold" and "ratio" so that there is about -12db on the "gain reduction meter". This is going to be the amount of compression applied to the synth's audio based on the level of the kick (sidechain key). Finally go back to "monitor" and select audio. Now you should be able to hear the synth played but with compression applied every time the kick sounds. Continue to adjusts the compressor's parameters to get the desired effect (ducking, pumping, etc..).

If you want to hear the synth only, then turn down the drum's audio channel fader all the way. Since the send on this channel is "pre-fader" it will not affect the amount of signal going to the compressor.

sirocco: great tip, forgot about that method
although there's one problem with it, the synth will only be heard in the right channel, that's why I like the TC sidechaining better

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