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Are people finally sick of Toronto attitude?

From the Toronto Star

So hip it hurts? Have fun for a change
How to be gloriously uncool while having a fabulous time
From croquet to Canadian Idol, our tips for living large


There's nothing quite like being made to feel worse than dirt when you're spending $400 on a meal in a Toronto restaurant.

A recent visit to a downtown restaurant, which shall remain unnamed, managed to reduce three pretty gosh-darned sophisticated people first to severe uncomfortableness, then to giggles over the idiocy of it all.

Never mind that the temperature in the stark room must have been hovering around 15 Celsius; the iciness of the waiter was enough to make you reach for an electric blanket. We were told how to order and from which sections of the menu and that we had to share all the dishes, and furthermore, that the chef would decide in which order the meal would be served. When we declined the offer to "discuss" wine choices, the temperature plummeted to around freezing and the waiter's mouth turned down more than we thought was humanly possible.

The food was delicious, but didn't make up for the feeling of being looked down upon by someone whose job it is to bring us food. An urge to jump on the table, crack open an Ex, chew some tobacco, get a cheap boob job and start doing the Macarena became almost irresistible.

The long and the short of it is that at a certain point you just want to have fun, and not have to give a care about how you look or feel while having it. That leaves out snooty dining experiences, any club you have to line up for and bars that charge more than $10 for a martini in a plastic glass. (You know who you are.)

Going to the track, sitting in the sun, drinking domestic beer and betting on the ponies may be pretty hokey, but at least we won't be silently judged while � gasp! � enjoying ourselves

Enjoy your boonies and live the city living to us...oh yeah I want another 3 minutes back

the alternatives they suggest arent exactly my style. Id like to see the clubs mentioned without the prissy attitude that this article complains about.

But i postulate that many people are thinking like this lately which is why the club scene seems to be losing mass exodusses of clientele. Not to mention that most of the music in clubs these days is garbage as well.

I don't see clubs losing ANY clientele...go to the club distreect any weekend and tell me honestly that clubs are losing clientele

After having a VERY refreshing vacation in Europe this summer, all I can say that this city definitely needs to lose the attitude... clubs that make you wait in line for 2 hrs and then charge you $40 to get in, a bottle of water that costs $5, etc, etc. What a hell do you people think this is, Ibiza?

I know where I WON'T be spending my money...

compared to the turn of the century? The answer is a big fat YES THEY HAVE/ARE losing clientele.

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb After having a VERY refreshing vacation in Europe this summer, all I can say that this city definitely needs to lose the attitude... clubs that make you wait in line for 2 hrs and then charge you $40 to get in, a bottle of water that costs $5, etc, etc. What a hell do you people think this is, Ibiza? I know where I WON'T be spending my money...

In Europe people tend to try and look good AND have a good time...

We've got the first part right at least.....

jayx1, do you ever create a topic about trance or EDM on these boards??? fuck, every post i read from you is always about how wrong the world is or some shit like that...

Hehehe...yeah he's a complainer...but at first it was kinda relevant, but lately it's all been pointless whining just about anything really...

Jayx1 senseless bitching thread #20332


I thought the Toronto Star was senseless liberal propaganda anyway...

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb After having a VERY refreshing vacation in Europe this summer, all I can say that this city definitely needs to lose the attitude... clubs that make you wait in line for 2 hrs and then charge you $40 to get in, a bottle of water that costs $5, etc, etc. What a hell do you people think this is, Ibiza? I know where I WON'T be spending my money...

i've never waited that long in TO to get into a club. the longest i've ever waited was 45 mins for the first labour of love (which was one of the most chaotic club events in TO's recent past)

You guys talking about Europe as if you've been to every club and every city...I've heard enough stories from Europe about clubs being much worse than here. You seriously want to tell me that we in Canada are more as you call it - "pretentious" than Europe???

I've heard enough stories about Ibiza summers too...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 the alternatives they suggest arent exactly my style. Id like to see the clubs mentioned without the prissy attitude that this article complains about. But i postulate that many people are thinking like this lately which is why the club scene seems to be losing mass exodusses of clientele. Not to mention that most of the music in clubs these days is garbage as well.

So maybe it's not just because of the smoke-free by-laws?

I definitely feel the attitude problem. I guess it's partly because I've always been a little self-conscious so I notice these things more than most people. It's rare to find people who go out of their way to make you feel comfortable, except when they're trying to sell you something. There are some cool people, but also a lot of judgmental ones.

I agree with Jayx1

Hes proven his point...and I HAVE seen clubs lose clientel. 5 dollars for a bottle of water??...People in Africa pay less.

I've waited awhile in clubs...and what pisses me off is the Fuckin Bouncers who let people in if they spot them 15 extra dollars...

No club in Toronto is worth paying more then 15 dollars cover to get into the shithole...simply because im not working an hour to get into a club...rather stay home n work on beatz

Sometimes i jus wanna pull that Blade Club Scene...dice people with my silver sword

Sebastiano

P.S. StarSearcher he may seem to complain...but i've always seen him prove his point (most of the time )

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb After having a VERY refreshing vacation in Europe this summer, all I can say that this city definitely needs to lose the attitude... clubs that make you wait in line for 2 hrs and then charge you $40 to get in, a bottle of water that costs $5, etc, etc. What a hell do you people think this is, Ibiza? I know where I WON'T be spending my money...

i dont know where you went out in europe cause you'll find the same shit there x 5

I just got back from Europe as well...club scene there? Let's just say people there know how to party, whereas people here know how to look good and get fucked off their tits. (Huge difference imo).

I fail to see how an incident in a seemingly swank restaurant paints a picture of the attitude of an entire city.

Stories like this are hardly limited to Toronto. Why one would attend an over-priced snob-fest intentionally is beyond me.

I for one have had the majority of my 8 years in this city be entirely positive. Maybe that's because of my attitude being more on the upswing than not, especially when dealing with people. I've found that in life you get what you give more oft than not, so perhaps all your negative experiences are a reflection of either the company you keep, or the environments you find yourself in.

@ CrazySerb and Endlesswave

Honestly guys, locaton may matter, but it's all about the effort you put into your night. The harder I party, and the more of an effort made to meet my fellow partiers/promoters/djs/etc, the more fun I have.

A good time isn't going to just "happen", no matter the continent you find yourselves on.

So true Rob. I mean I don't go around clubbing w negativity but it's just refreshing for a change of scenery...esp when the scene you're in can get stale (sometimes).

Alright well if we're already coparing TO and europe...there's nothing to even compare when it comes to looking good. People there are so much more conceous of fashion, trends, grooming, looking good...it's a way of style, it's a way of life....i'm sorry but in TO we are MANY MANY years behind Europe
Not to mention, if most of you see someone fashionable you'll automatically think they are pretentious, uptight just cause they are fashionable and have style...I see that every day so no bitchin' please

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb After having a VERY refreshing vacation in Europe this summer, all I can say that this city definitely needs to lose the attitude... clubs that make you wait in line for 2 hrs and then charge you $40 to get in, a bottle of water that costs $5, etc, etc. What a hell do you people think this is, Ibiza? I know where I WON'T be spending my money...

that's exactly what happened to me... I used to buy into the whole "TO is the best city in the world" BS.. then I went to Europe and saw way better cities... and my attitude changed

^^^ HEY that's a cute girl

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Originally posted by Endlesswave I just got back from Europe as well...club scene there? Let's just say people there know how to party, whereas people here know how to look good and get fucked off their tits. (Huge difference imo).

You said it... Canada may be way ahead of some European countries technologically and even economically, but that's why Europe is light years ahead of Canada socially. They know how to enjoy life...

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Originally posted by discojoe i dont know where you went out in europe cause you'll find the same shit there x 5

Well, I went out to the "supposedly" expensive beach resorts, places filled with tourists, the most expensive clubs in my country, and to be quite honest with you not only have I not paid cover charge one single time but I haven't spent more than 10-15 euros per night for drinks and whatever else. And no, in most of those places there was no last call

And don't get me wrong, I'm positive all the time, from the moment I wake up in the morning til the moment I crash in my bed after a good night out. But I also feel a lot of bad attitudes in the city, negativity, all kinds of bad vibes, and that can bring you down sometimes... in Europe, it was totally oposite.

Europeans tend to look snobby but usually arent. Sometimes they do hate americans though. But Toronto IS snobby.

The only place in Europe that was as unbearable as here was Paris IMO but even then it was a confident attitude instead of the bullshit confidence that is displayed here.

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