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Numark TTX1 vs. Technics 1200 MK2

Sorry for the repeated thread, but theres not been one about these 2 TT's for a good 6/7 months. Ive had a look through previous threads but they end up getting nowhere really. so im looking for updated answers.


I really really really cant decide which of these two to buy, im even startin to piss myself off cos i cant decide. So im ideally looking for opinions from people who have used both TT's. (i cant really try them out myself cos theres no dj store close to me)


These are my opinions so far:

-The TTX1 is so much more sexier than the 1210's and i love bright blue LED type lights which the ttx is full of.

-The TTX1 has a fair bit more torque than the tech's BUT do you really need it!? I dont really want my arm to be butchered off everytime i touch the platter

-People say that the TTx1 has a 'digital' pitch adjust. personally, i think the display is digital and the actual pitch fader is analogue - so if someone can verify this for me, please do. I dont really care as long as i can keep records beatmatched for about 3 minutes.

-reliability: ive read some reviews where the TTx1's have lasted fine for 2 years (since they came out i think) but i suppose that doesnt really compare to technics 20 years or whatever

-extra features: they both have (useless) quartz lock, The TTX1's have upto 50% pitch, interchangeable tonearms, 78rpm speed, digital/line out, and key lock which are also useless to me since i will be mixing trance and not scratching. (and seriously, what do u need 78rpm for? is this what speedcore records are pressed on?)

theres not really anything else to look at. So yeh, i cant feckin decide, what do you think i should buy? Maybe i should make a poll and whatever wins, ill buy it.

cheers

why get anything else besides a technics?

they're the best, end of discussion. extra features are pointless. technics will do the job with reliability and years of back up.

i also think technics make the sexiest decks alive (silver, not black :P)

I was absolutley on your boat until my producing partner (who's the best DJ ive ever met/heard/seen etc) said "look get techs, trust me"

I went with that decision, and like I feel stupid to have even thought of going with something else. They just feel like quality when you're using them.

Re: Numark TTX1 vs. Technics 1200 MK2

-The TTX1 is so much more sexier than the 1210's and i love bright blue LED type lights which the ttx is full of.

Id argue against that- i prefer the look of the 1200 mk2 - looks awesome in silver. Also looks professional rather than a toy. Blue LED conversion is simple/cheap enough on a 1200 too if that bothers you that much

-The TTX1 has a fair bit more torque than the tech's BUT do you really need it!? I dont really want my arm to be butchered off everytime i touch the platter

Technics torque is fine- i cant see why you would want any more. I scratch with it fine, so do many thousands of turntablists. Also the numark platter is useless for using it to slow down in comparison to the techs


-People say that the TTx1 has a 'digital' pitch adjust. personally, i think the display is digital and the actual pitch fader is analogue - so if someone can verify this for me, please do. I dont really care as long as i can keep records beatmatched for about 3 minutes.

Not sure about this- it would be very daft for them to put a digital slider in, but then this is numark so it wouldnt surprise me. Id imagine it is an analogue one- only with a digital display on it which rounds to the nearest o.whatever %

-reliability: ive read some reviews where the TTx1's have lasted fine for 2 years (since they came out i think) but i suppose that doesnt really compare to technics 20 years or whatever

Nothing will touch technics on this point- they are bombproof- and more importantly easily serviceable and spares cheaply available. They also dont have crap like a digital readout to crack/break/go wrong

-extra features:
- they both have (useless) quartz lock
Most (if not all) tables do- it is useful at times.

- The TTX1's have upto 50% pitch
Past a certain point pitching becomes useless and sounds horrible- the common argument is use it for acapellas- lol anything pitched at plus %50 is going to be chipmunk heaven. If used with the ky lock it is useful, but again, only to a point- to go past that point you are better off editing it and timestretching/compressing and playing off cd

-interchangeable tonearms
Why? Straight tonearms are shite and feel awkward- they also wear records faster

- 78rpm speed
I have many many thousands of records- i do not own one 78rpm record. Ive never had the need to play anything that fast or forsee me wanting to either.

-Digital/line out and key lock
Useful sometimes- but introduces other problems with regards to sound quality and the alogorhythms in which it does this. For the record , every single time i use a cd player i turn this function off as i like to be able to hear and judge by pitch difference not speed difference

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Its up to you when it comes down to it
- you can either go with the established and proven rock solid one which will hold its value for many years to come which you will also find in 99% of clubs/bars worldwide
- or the young gimmicky one with no proven track record, questionable reliabilty and the ability to lose a lot of its value very fast.

cheers freak, lots of valid points there. I think i might just go with the technics.

BUT now im gonna have the problem of deciding whether to get the black ones or the silver ones

well thats a whole new post right there, (been done before too)

Keep one thing in mind... silver Techs to tend to change colors with time from silver to yellow.

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Originally posted by [UK]Trancedewd� cheers freak, lots of valid points there. I think i might just go with the technics. BUT now im gonna have the problem of deciding whether to get the black ones or the silver ones

its all opinion of course...or else you can just choose whatever matches best with your mixer, and other existing equipment. I personally prefer black, but i ended up getting silver anyways.

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Originally posted by Vlad Keep one thing in mind... silver Techs to tend to change colors with time from silver to yellow.

And black will eventually fade leaving a dark, dark grey. BTW, the black still looks cool w/ age.

in my opinion, the ttx measures up really well to the 1210/1200, but i think other measure up better.

for the ttx - torque cant be complained about, the pitch fader is analogue. the only downfall is the wow & flutter ratings which are up at 0.15% wrms (techs at 0.035%). its not that noticable, but can be annoying over long mixes. its very workable though and is probably worth it for the money you save (yes i have used both). the features are great on the ttx, beating the featureless tech to the floor (unless of course you want to shell out �475 for a mk5g, to give 16% pitch range).

but to be honest, there are decks that measure up a lot better. in my opinion, the vestax pdx2000 mk2 pro is FANTASTIC, and easily as good if not better than the mk5g, again for much cheaper! new tone arm setup, stiffer pitch fader, new platter and stronger motor. the wow and flutter is less than half that of the ttx at 0.07%, which is not noticable at all, and the ultrapitch which is by far the best on the market and much easier/quicker to use than any of the competetion.

also now available in black which looks uber-cool with the new tonearm, plus if you're really posh, u can get glow in the dark headshells for em too!

The TTX1 shows you the BPM of the record.

Re: Numark TTX1 vs. Technics 1200 MK2

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Originally posted by [UK]Trancedewd� -People say that the TTx1 has a 'digital' pitch adjust. personally, i think the display is digital and the actual pitch fader is analogue - so if someone can verify this for me, please do. I dont really care as long as i can keep records beatmatched for about 3 minutes.

The TTX has an analog fader but the display is digital. The fader basically has infinite settings while the display is going to round that setting to the nearest .1. I got that information directly from a Numark technician via a question I posted on the Numark website.

Also, I believe that the wow and flutter for the TTX (at least this is what it lists in the Product Spec manual) is rated at "less than .03%".

I always thought wow and flutter for the Technics was .01%?

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Originally posted by tu_face the vestax pdx2000 mk2 pro is FANTASTIC

yeh, i actually had a look at the pdx2300, but its got straignt arms which i dont like, and two pitch faders is just wierd. Also, no-one else on this forum seems to have them (except you :P ) so there must be a reason for that.

oh yeh, im gonna get the black techs (my old decks are silver) so ill go for a change. dunno if it will look good with my gold mixer though.

Re: Re: Numark TTX1 vs. Technics 1200 MK2

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Originally posted by Ygrene Also, I believe that the wow and flutter for the TTX (at least this is what it lists in the Product Spec manual) is rated at "less than .03%". I always thought wow and flutter for the Technics was .01%?

admittedly i may have been looking at the old specs (before they upgraded the motor in them) so that may have changed, and definitely from my experiences using them there is a noticable difference between the wow & flutter on a ttx and the wow & flutter on my vestax pdx2000... the technics wow & flutter is rated minimum +/-0.015% maximum +/-0.035%.

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Originally posted by [UK]Trancedewd� Also, no-one else on this forum seems to have them (except you :P ) so there must be a reason for that.

i have the pdx2000, the pdx2000 mk2 pro is the new one with some added touches, and the reason everyone here doesn't have the vestax instead is because the "buy technics" thing is drilled in to every bugger that posts a thread about it in here

in my experience of decks (i have played on all of the top decks except the stanton str8-150 & mk5g, 1 of which i will be trying tomorrow) the vestax is my favorite of them all, and you can beatmatch quicker with them too.

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Originally posted by tu_face in my experience of decks (i have played on all of the top decks except the stanton str8-150 & mk5g, 1 of which i will be trying tomorrow) the vestax is my favorite of them all, and you can beatmatch quicker with them too.

I know that my final decision between decks came down to the PDX and the TTX and I chose the TTX because the feel of it was right for me. I thought the PDX felt better than the Technics tho.

Granted, I made my decision based on feel and some of the information garnered off of this board; I really had no experience with actually mixing vinyls, or anything for that matter, before I bought my tables.

I sometimes wonder if I would choose differently based on the experience (limited as it is ) that I have now.

I owned the TTXs and traded them in after about a year for Technics. I'm really happy with the 1200s and dont really miss the TTXs. Dont get me wron, the TTXs are great - probably "better" than Technics. But, for trance/prog you wont use the features and you DO NOT want to get used to beatmatching with a LED digital readout (e.g., its too easy to say "this one is too slow so I will increase speed by .1") The bottom line is all clubs use Technics and you need to be comfortable using them if you want to play in a club.

You want to buy hype, you want TTX
You want to buy a decent turntable that would hold you for 10 years and not disapoint you. SL-1200 MK2 is for you.

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Originally posted by Vlad Keep one thing in mind... silver Techs to tend to change colors with time from silver to yellow.

uhm ? not true, had mine for 3 years, still silver. You know you can clean them right ?

My Techs are still silver... Maybe if they are in a smokey environment they'd get yellowed ?

From what I've gathered, it seems that the Vestax PDX is geared mostly towards scratching, hence there's not many with them here. The Technics are everything you need. Shit, all a table has to do is spin at a precise rate, have a stable tonearm, a tracking wieght setting, a pitch fader, and a 33/45 button. Anything else is useless.

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Originally posted by DjArTiN! The TTX1 shows you the BPM of the record.

Yes, and all of us who own TTX1s know how well that works (like most other BPM counters). Sometimes I will beatmatch a couple records and watch it tell me that one is running a full 10 beats slower than the other even though they have managed to stay synced for a long while.

As far as my opinion goes I love them and will keep them until they die on me and if that's a long while from now I will probably buy the next incarnation of them as well. I bought them b/c I liked the way they looked and preferred the style to that of the techs and figured I would psuedo-gamble on them. If they last forever I'll be happy but if they die in a year I'll kick myself in the ass and only buy techs for the rest of my life. We'll see what happens....

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Originally posted by `pr0digy From what I've gathered, it seems that the Vestax PDX is geared mostly towards scratching, hence there's not many with them here. The Technics are everything you need. Shit, all a table has to do is spin at a precise rate, have a stable tonearm, a tracking wieght setting, a pitch fader, and a 33/45 button. Anything else is useless.

correct, they are geared towards scratching, but that certainly doesn't mean they are crap for beat mixing, on the contrary they are fantastic, and a bit cheaper

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Originally posted by KID-M I owned the TTXs and traded them in after about a year for Technics. I'm really happy with the 1200s and dont really miss the TTXs. Dont get me wron, the TTXs are great - probably "better" than Technics. But, for trance/prog you wont use the features and you DO NOT want to get used to beatmatching with a LED digital readout (e.g., its too easy to say "this one is too slow so I will increase speed by .1") The bottom line is all clubs use Technics and you need to be comfortable using them if you want to play in a club.

The easy solution for this is to cover the displays with index cards(thats what I do when I practice at home with em).

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