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basslines!

man... i've been to hell and back - nearly gave producing in today! i can't make good basslines sounds up for toffee! i need something similar to primolux 'chains'! if you are unfamilier with this tune it is kinda like a rolling bassline sound, which i think is a little deep sorta sound used in most uplifting trancers! i use almost every plugin available! could anyone please point me in the right direction! this is my down fall in my productions - they sound empty! though i do need a mid bass too! hope this all makes sense!

my appreciation goes out to anyone who can help!

Consider 8 steps in your sequencer like this:

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Kicks (K) goes there:

K _ _ _ K _ _ _

Bass (b) notes goes there:

_ _ b b _ _ b b

Apply a 3 step delay on your bass...

You have it!

It's all in the layers...

One high bass, possibly quite a lot of notes, varying and some delay/reverb.
One mid bass with a bit less notes and less delay/reverb.
One sub bass, almost (if not completely) dry.

Hope you got FL Studio...

Check this:

http://www.serious-sounds.net/forum...p?showtopic=893

Sebastiano

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery It's all in the layers... One high bass, possibly quite a lot of notes, varying and some delay/reverb. One mid bass with a bit less notes and less delay/reverb. One sub bass, almost (if not completely) dry.

now we are talking about the famous NEW sound.. when everything is so complicated and relatively boring.. I myself has never used more than one layer of bass in my tunes.. just add something else to go with the bass and ur fine.. atleast thats my opinion at the moment.. although I might consider adding more layers for bass.. just too see what it will sound like... cheers

Re: basslines!

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Originally posted by retiro man... i've been to hell and back - nearly gave producing in today! i can't make good basslines sounds up for toffee! i need something similar to primolux 'chains'! if you are unfamilier with this tune it is kinda like a rolling bassline sound, which i think is a little deep sorta sound used in most uplifting trancers! i use almost every plugin available! could anyone please point me in the right direction! this is my down fall in my productions - they sound empty! though i do need a mid bass too! hope this all makes sense! my appreciation goes out to anyone who can help!

as tranceferd suggested one track, i will suggest one too .... but i mostly write goa and psy, so this might be unsuitable for you.
track is written in 16ths, 'b' stands for notes 32th long (half of 16th), and 'B' one 16th long (k is kick of course).

k _ _ _ k _ _ _ k _ _ _ k _ _ _
- b B _ _ b B b _ b B _ _ b _ B

... or something like that.

of course, you could also fill the blanks in the bassline with notes 32th long, and with a lower velocity (for example, 30-40) to get that neat rolling effect. if you fill the blanks with lower velocity notes, do not use delay, because it will start to sound muddy. to play a bassline like this, you will need a bass sound which has a really short release. for this sound i made a preset in pentagon vst synth, based on a 'unison' patch, but most basses with short release times will do.

thanks guys you've been a great help! the sound of trance these days is very complicated and like some ppl say on this forum that it is over-produced! anyway back to fl studio for some bass line action!

again many thanks to the guys who replied to this post!

retiro

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Originally posted by retiro thanks guys you've been a great help! the sound of trance these days is very complicated and like some ppl say on this forum that it is over-produced! anyway back to fl studio for some bass line action! again many thanks to the guys who replied to this post! retiro

you think THIS is complicated? sheesh .... thank goodness you don't own any hardware

Trance isnt a minor league in music production

If u want something simple to create...make Rap/Hip Hop

4/4 kicks a couple of snares some electro/fx sounds and lyrics talking about ur babys momaz asking for child support...and the 'PoPo' after you.

or u can be on the better side of rap/Hip hop and be like talib kwali (sure thats wrong spelling) and slum village...there damn good

Sebastiano

Trance is Very very Complicated due to the fact you have to bring out that atmosphere in the track, Unlike house or techno which is usually percussion and bass driven.. Trance has those elements in it that brings out a vibe. Again Music has No rules, but has Structure
Rules are different than structure

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Originally posted by Biatchzxz Trance is Very very Complicated due to the fact you have to bring out that atmosphere in the track, Unlike house or techno which is usually percussion and bass driven..

I agree with you.
It's simple to make a trance drumloop + bassline, but there are melodies and musical theory behind them. And that isn't so easy to create.

complicated as it seen. Hard what we feel. But keep on trying, you might get something out nice.

Trance, is all about nice bassline / Kick, nice sound and nice melody. If none of them work out, that not trance.

What I belive is to work with it until you know what is going on.

Try get the bassline note as some producer posted. do it on ur song and play ard.

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Originally posted by djdustx Trance isnt a minor league in music production If u want something simple to create...make Rap/Hip Hop 4/4 kicks a couple of snares some electro/fx sounds and lyrics talking about ur babys momaz asking for child support...and the 'PoPo' after you. or u can be on the better side of rap/Hip hop and be like talib kwali (sure thats wrong spelling) and slum village...there damn good Sebastiano

lol

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Trance is Very very Complicated due to the fact you have to bring out that atmosphere in the track, Unlike house or techno which is usually percussion and bass driven.. Trance has those elements in it that brings out a vibe.

the only thing that separates house from trance is what it is musically derived from. house and deep house are based on jazz, funk and soul and it comes across in the way house music is written. it is not any more or less complicated than trance. its just a different way of writing music. techno similarly evolves from a different set of musical influences. house basslines tend to be less cluttered than more recent trance ones and usually are slower with more variation in note lengths and how long particular notes sustain or bend for which contributes to its funky kind of feel. trance basslines these days tend to be very pattern based and tend to be more like several tapped rhythyms spanning an octave. this creates a kind of constant rolling feel. if trance does have musical roots however it probably comes from indian ethnic, ambient and classical.

a you can make many different trance basslines just by experimenting with this idea. for instance...

K--- K--- K--- K---
--B- --B- --B- --B-
-b-b b-b- -b-b b-b-

where

K = kick drum
B = root note bass (quite subby, punchy but clean)
b = bass fill (less subby, slightly more midrange so its audible)

and another mid range/high bass at 16ths going like

xCcx CcxC cCCx cCCC

where

C = root note of bassline
c = root note of bassline 1 octave lower
x = 1 full note lower than root note of bassline

remember to lower the velocity of bass notes that hit at the same time as the kicks. altering the velocity or swing of each one of these sections can alter the way the bassline appears to roll. experiment and see what you come up with.

also note that the more layers you add, the more frequencies are going to overlap. this is normal but if you whack on too many bass layers and dont EQ them properly it can sound muddy. therefore, and broadly speaking, the more layers you have, the harder it is to keep your track tightly produced. also and finally, if your basslines are sounding a bit dud, adding more bass layers wont necessarily make it better. sometimes its good to have a clean, simple, driving bass in there and it can work in certain situations (certain times of funky and deep house music can do this to incredible effect)

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Originally posted by Derivative the only thing that separates house from trance is what it is musically derived from. house and deep house are based on jazz, funk and soul and it comes across in the way house music is written. it is not any more or less complicated than trance. its just a different way of writing music. techno similarly evolves from a different set of musical influences. house basslines tend to be less cluttered than more recent trance ones and usually are slower with more variation in note lengths and how long particular notes sustain or bend for which contributes to its funky kind of feel. trance basslines these days tend to be very pattern based and tend to be more like several tapped rhythyms spanning an octave. this creates a kind of constant rolling feel. if trance does have musical roots however it probably comes from indian ethnic, ambient and classical. a you can make many different trance basslines just by experimenting with this idea. for instance... K--- K--- K--- K--- --B- --B- --B- --B- -b-b b-b- -b-b b-b- where K = kick drum B = root note bass (quite subby, punchy but clean) b = bass fill (less subby, slightly more midrange so its audible) and another mid range/high bass at 16ths going like xCcx CcxC cCCx cCCC where C = root note of bassline c = root note of bassline 1 octave lower x = 1 full note lower than root note of bassline remember to lower the velocity of bass notes that hit at the same time as the kicks. altering the velocity or swing of each one of these sections can alter the way the bassline appears to roll. experiment and see what you come up with. also note that the more layers you add, the more frequencies are going to overlap. this is normal but if you whack on too many bass layers and dont EQ them properly it can sound muddy. therefore, and broadly speaking, the more layers you have, the harder it is to keep your track tightly produced. also and finally, if your basslines are sounding a bit dud, adding more bass layers wont necessarily make it better. sometimes its good to have a clean, simple, driving bass in there and it can work in certain situations (certain times of funky and deep house music can do this to incredible effect)

anychance of putting a midi of it online?

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Originally posted by BIKKEL anychance of putting a midi of it online?

No offense, but those are very detailed instructions and if you can't follow that, then....

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Originally posted by Scottaculous No offense, but those are very detailed instructions and if you can't follow that, then....

then...i will get a midi

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Originally posted by BIKKEL then...i will get a midi

Haha, if yuo really want a midi file of that. I'll make one for ya.

dude how can you need a midi for it? you've got all the notes there! i told you where to place them. unless you want a specific working example with all the bass timbres fitting + effects and EQed. but thats a bit lazy isnt it? c'mon - half the fun of producing is sitting down with an instrument and twiddling. and its more satisfying knowing you built the instruments yourself.

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