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Ok I really need help!

Well ppl I'm kinda new on this website however I got to know this beautiful music genre around a year ago. I watched some vids of parties such as Sensation and Trance Energy and Ive taken mixing into consideration. I started using Atomixmp3 as a beginners program (pretty n00by huh?). I've learned some stuff and right now and learning on Traktor.
My question here is..am i going down the right path to mixing?is this the right way to learn?
And if u dont mind, would u care to teach me a little mixing techniques?
Thnx alot

not to be an ass here mate...

but drop the mp3's and save up and get some turntables... only way you will really get any where with mp3's is with final scratch man... and even with that guess what... you need tables... vinyl is the way to go and its sooo worth it i promise you its soooo worth the money man being able to actually touch what you doing its more rewarding that way trust me iv tried mp3 mixing about 4 years ago and droped it like a sack of bricks when i fianlly got my tables mate... i promise you though you will like mixing more if you get some real hands on equipment (turntables that it)

yeah i am of the same opinion. if you are serious about learning to mix, ditch the mp3s. go for turntables, or if you are a bit strapped for cash go for cd decks. remember, cheap cd decks are better than cheap turntables

I agree with Cosmic Realm and tu_face on this one: get some turntables.

Although mp3's might teach you the basics of mixing, you will only get the real feeling with vinyl.

HOWEVER!! If I were you I'd get some good turntables. You have no idea how much shit is going round in the DJ gear (Numark starters pack, Gemini XL-100, all crap!)

If you'd like some advice about good budget turntables, feel free to PM me.

Well u guys...im starting to get the idea by now.
I was planning lately on getting Pioneer CDJ100's or the CDJ800's (which r waaaaay better than the 100's).
But be4 all this...i need to start workin on my beatmatching cuz the software I use (Atomixmp3) automatically sets the pitch and gain for me.
Ive got loads of tunes I wanna start mixing.I seriously want to be a DJ.
Any other recommendations ppl?
P.S: What mixer and headfones should i get?

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Originally posted by Krowster Well u guys...im starting to get the idea by now. I was planning lately on getting Pioneer CDJ100's or the CDJ800's (which r waaaaay better than the 100's). But be4 all this...i need to start workin on my beatmatching cuz the software I use (Atomixmp3) automatically sets the pitch and gain for me. Ive got loads of tunes I wanna start mixing.I seriously want to be a DJ. Any other recommendations ppl? P.S: What mixer and headfones should i get?

turntable wise, it might be worth your while looking at vestax decks, the standard PDX2000 is under �300 since they brought out the mk2 pro. they are the best deck you can buy for that price, IMO they are more useful than 1210's.

as far as cd decks are concerned, if you have the �'s go for the pioneer's (cdj800 onwards) but if you are going to go for the 100's, don't. they are a waste of money when there are better cd decks in that price bracket, usually a bit cheaper. axis9's are mint, and for a bit more there's the denons, which have gone down very well with the users of this forum.

headfones, i can reccommend the sennheiser hd280 (or for that matter, most opf sennheiser's range of cans), or pioneer hdj1000.

mixer-wise, how much are you looking to spend? again have a look at vestax mixers, pioneer's, ecler and denon's. a lot of people seem to like allen & heath (although personally i dont see why) so have a butchers at them too.

if you are looking for something with 3 channels in the middle of the price range, i think the best value for money is the vestax pcv-275. built like a brick shithouse!

save up and get some technics turntables.. SL1200/1210 mk2.
as for headphones get a decent pair coz they will be your best friend (next to the sound engineer) if and when you ever play out.

as for a mixer.. i got a cheap behringer djx700 when i was starting out. Figured i'd save the $ and buy more records with it

Yes! Save money and get tables and vinyl.

Or do what many of us do and get in serious debt

tech 1200/1210's .. U live in Dubai Krowster then jus get down to the tech dealer's the Oman international Enterprise.. Or jus head out to Ohm Records to get sorted out..

Headphones HD25 cant go wrng.

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Originally posted by tu_face turntable wise, it might be worth your while looking at vestax decks, the standard PDX2000 is under �300 since they brought out the mk2 pro. they are the best deck you can buy for that price, IMO they are more useful than 1210's. as far as cd decks are concerned, if you have the �'s go for the pioneer's (cdj800 onwards) but if you are going to go for the 100's, don't. they are a waste of money when there are better cd decks in that price bracket, usually a bit cheaper. axis9's are mint, and for a bit more there's the denons, which have gone down very well with the users of this forum. headfones, i can reccommend the sennheiser hd280 (or for that matter, most opf sennheiser's range of cans), or pioneer hdj1000. mixer-wise, how much are you looking to spend? again have a look at vestax mixers, pioneer's, ecler and denon's. a lot of people seem to like allen & heath (although personally i dont see why) so have a butchers at them too. if you are looking for something with 3 channels in the middle of the price range, i think the best value for money is the vestax pcv-275. built like a brick shithouse!

An ASTS arm for standard mixing has more bad parts then good parts! ASTS arms for scratching are awesome, but NOT for mixing! And they are DEFINETLY not more useful then SL-1200's!

And for the rest of you: It is VERY cruel to recommend Technics to a beginner! Rather start with some good OEM turntables, such as the Reloop RP-4000 or the JB-systems T-3 (in any case: NOT numark decks!). If you got some more money you can get the super OEM tables which are VERY good (equal if not greater then a 1200). They are sold by Citronic, American Audio, Reloop, Akiyama, and so on.

And about headphones, do NOT get a HDJ1000. They die even faster then the Sony!

And when it comes to mixers, a PCV-275 is very good indeed but also very expensive. Start with a Gemini PS-626i, which is the best mixer in that pricerange (budgetrange).

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Originally posted by rafale save up and get some technics turntables.. SL1200/1210 mk2.

Why?

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Originally posted by DjVash An ASTS arm for standard mixing has more bad parts then good parts! ASTS arms for scratching are awesome, but NOT for mixing! And they are DEFINETLY not more useful then SL-1200's! and when it comes to mixers, a PCV-275 is very good indeed but also very expensive. Start with a Gemini PS-626i, which is the best mixer in that pricerange (budgetrange).

where the hell do you live? a 275 is hardly an expensive mixer. in fact i would say its a bargain for what you get, at �295 (probably cheaper in the US).

as for ASTS armed decks, so the one bad part is that you get slightly more record wear... so what else is bad? it NEVER skips, you wont have all these problems with tonearm setup, or the tonearm being screwed in transit. and if you use the right carts it wont fuck your records. so, why NOT for mixing?

and yes, PDX2000's ARE MORE USEFUL THAN A 1200/1210. to get any amount of usefulness out of a 1210 you have to shell out �475 on a m5g.

Well...decks shouldn't be a problem now since I know what to get and where to get them from;however, where am i gonna get my vinyls from?Ive seen the ones being sold in OHM records and they'r mostly house. Im looking for trance tunes!
Its very unfortunate for me to be living in Dubai where hardly any1 lsns to trance and its not easy to find what i want.
In terms of mixers, well ive seen alot lately and i kinda like the Battle Mixer by Pioneer.Most ppl told me its for scratch djs, is that true?And about the Pioneer CDJ100's,y is it gonna be a waste of cash?Ive heard lots about them..got any recommendations for other good cd players tho?Id like them separate,not those ones attached together cuz they look gay :S

U betta off wit a djm 500/600 or even betta chk melody house in dubai for the A&H..Ive used them plenty the 92's and the filters are dope.. I love playin wit my eq's.. so its a matta of preference..

cdj 100 are good, very sturdy.. but wit betta models of the cdj out y limit urself.. unless its monetary reasons.

Ohm does have some good Trance records. but they can sort U out wit more.. go down there spk to Cyrus the bloke can sort U out wit all U record desires..

wht name U go by..? hope U get the scene pumpin in tht part of the world..

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Originally posted by tu_face where the hell do you live? a 275 is hardly an expensive mixer. in fact i would say its a bargain for what you get, at �295 (probably cheaper in the US). as for ASTS armed decks, so the one bad part is that you get slightly more record wear... so what else is bad? it NEVER skips, you wont have all these problems with tonearm setup, or the tonearm being screwed in transit. and if you use the right carts it wont fuck your records. so, why NOT for mixing? and yes, PDX2000's ARE MORE USEFUL THAN A 1200/1210. to get any amount of usefulness out of a 1210 you have to shell out �475 on a m5g.

A PCV-275 is � 479,-- over here. I call that rather expensive.

And what else is bad at an ASTS arm? An ASTS arm is ONLY in the right position when you place the needle in the middle of the record. FOR THE REST the arm is NOT in the right place, causing MAJOR wear and VERY bad sound quality. If you check out a presentation on an ASTS turntable, you can ALWAYS see they place the needle in the middle of the record (which is precisely what scratchers need!). For mixing, the major wear doesn't measure up to the "never skipping"-theory.

By the way, with a good turntable you NEVER have any problems with a tonearm setup (that's only with real shitty tt's, like a Gemini XL-500, Numarks, and so on).

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And about the Pioneer CDJ100's,y is it gonna be a waste of cash?

If you only use them at home, yes. Rather have a CDJ-800 (less expesive and doesn't have all those features you hardly use).

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Originally posted by DjVash And what else is bad at an ASTS arm? An ASTS arm is ONLY in the right position when you place the needle in the middle of the record. FOR THE REST the arm is NOT in the right place, causing MAJOR wear and VERY bad sound quality. If you check out a presentation on an ASTS turntable, you can ALWAYS see they place the needle in the middle of the record (which is precisely what scratchers need!). For mixing, the major wear doesn't measure up to the "never skipping"-theory. By the way, with a good turntable you NEVER have any problems with a tonearm setup (that's only with real shitty tt's, like a Gemini XL-500, Numarks, and so on).

well i own 2 ASTS decks (pdx2000) and 1 S shape arm deck (m5g). the difference in sound quality is not massive at all, and i have also heard both of these decks used in a club, again its not a big difference. i wouldn't call the record wear major, as i said if you use the right carts its not a problem. granted there will be more record wear than an s shaped arm, but i have used these decks for a year and they havent worn my records out as much as my old decks with s shaped arms, purely because i have chosen the right cart.

as for tonearm setup problems... i woudn't expect you to have seen this seeing as you havent been here long, but there has been many threads about technics 1200/1210's that have been screwed up after being shipped accross america. if anything i would expect more to get screwed up on a 1210 than on a cheaper deck, simply because there is more to go wrong.

on a sidenote, cdj100's is what he was talking about (not 1000's ), and yes they are a waste of money. they will last a long time, but they are boring, featureless and annoying. for less money you can buy an numark axis9, which has everything a cdj100 has and shit loads more. primarily a scratch cue function (stutter cue is wank) and more than 3 (crap) effects which are in the cdj100. i have written a post directly comparing the two somewhere if you want to use the search button

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Originally posted by Krowster Well...decks shouldn't be a problem now since I know what to get and where to get them from;however, where am i gonna get my vinyls from?Ive seen the ones being sold in OHM records and they'r mostly house. Im looking for trance tunes! Its very unfortunate for me to be living in Dubai where hardly any1 lsns to trance and its not easy to find what i want.

I get most of my vinyl off of the internet with the majority of my collection has come from dancegrooves.com. Others I can think of off the top of my head are only-djs.com, chemical-records.co.uk and for vinly I have trouble finding I usually hit up E-bay. If you want a better list of online stores check the Online Stores Info thread up around the top of this forum.

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Originally posted by tu_face well i own 2 ASTS decks (pdx2000) and 1 S shape arm deck (m5g). the difference in sound quality is not massive at all, and i have also heard both of these decks used in a club, again its not a big difference. i wouldn't call the record wear major, as i said if you use the right carts its not a problem. granted there will be more record wear than an s shaped arm, but i have used these decks for a year and they havent worn my records out as much as my old decks with s shaped arms, purely because i have chosen the right cart. as for tonearm setup problems... i woudn't expect you to have seen this seeing as you havent been here long, but there has been many threads about technics 1200/1210's that have been screwed up after being shipped accross america. if anything i would expect more to get screwed up on a 1210 than on a cheaper deck, simply because there is more to go wrong. on a sidenote, cdj100's is what he was talking about (not 1000's ), and yes they are a waste of money. they will last a long time, but they are boring, featureless and annoying. for less money you can buy an numark axis9, which has everything a cdj100 has and shit loads more. primarily a scratch cue function (stutter cue is wank) and more than 3 (crap) effects which are in the cdj100. i have written a post directly comparing the two somewhere if you want to use the search button

Send me your oldest record and we'll compare it with my oldest record under a microscope. I used to have a client just like you. He was pretty silent when he looked through the microscope though

And my bad about the CDJ's. :P
However if they aren't new, they aren't a real waste of money. They're actually kinda funny and pretty good to mix with. Even for a CD player without anti shock, it can still take a lot of abuse. They're pretty reliable as well, a lot of drive in shows use this player. However, I did notice a great difference in performance of this player's laser: One unit can take more then the other. That's kinda weird and it makes me questioning Pioneer's QC on this unit (I can't find this problem anywhere with a CDJ-800/1000).

If they ARE new, you'd better get an American DJ PSX. I consider the Pioneer a little too expensive. The American DJ is cheaper and does the same, with a better QC on the laserworks.

i think using computer programs when you first start out is a very good idea, even though it doesn't teach you to beatmatch, you can learn how tracks go together etc. I think if i hadn't have mixed on the computer for 5 months before i got my decks, i would probably have given up by now, its so frustrating when you get everything beatmatched and then cue it wrong, do that so many times and you'll probably get pretty pissed off.

So i say yeah, you are going down the right route

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Originally posted by DjVash Send me your oldest record and we'll compare it with my oldest record under a microscope. I used to have a client just like you. He was pretty silent when he looked through the microscope though

i don't give a shit what they look like. i know how they sound.

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Originally posted by tu_face i don't give a shit what they look like. i know how they sound.

If you can se the outer grooves being scraped out and the center grooves being pretty normal, it gives a fair indication of how a record used to sound and how it sounds now, wouldn't you agree?

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Im in Dubai too and a HUGe trance fan. not into spinning yet because of my job but I listen to trance every chance i get!

So give me a shout - you're not alone in this desert!

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