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Assault weapons ban to expire Today!
Allright Bush supporters, give PROPS to the president of the 4 more years of hell for not pushing for the ban!! YEap.. this is what we all been waiting for, all criminals and all terrorists.. be able to get all this weapons easily and freely.. YEaaahh BUSH!! great way to fight Terrorism INDEED!!!
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| apons ban to expire Monday SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Ten years after it was born out of the carnage of three California mass shootings, the federal assault weapons ban is fading out of existence Monday. While manufacturers look for a boom in business as people buy up previously banned weapons like AK-47s, Uzis and TEC-9s, police chiefs warn of an upsurge in crime. The law's chief sponsor, Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, is urging retailers not to sell the disputed weapons, while hoping for a change in the nation's political climate. Feinstein was horrified by the 1984 shooting rampage at a McDonald's in San Diego County that killed 21 people and the massacre of five people five years later at a Stockton elementary school yard. But it was the shooting at a law firm in San Francisco in 1993, in which eight were killed and six wounded, that persuaded her to push for the assault weapons ban. "It was the ultimate shock," Feinstein said in an interview. "That building is one of the great economic citadels in the city, and you see this prestigious law firm. And then -- boom. Someone comes in, aggrieved, and goes right through the place." Just over a year after the San Francisco shootings, President Bill Clinton signed Feinstein's bill into law. It banned the sale of 19 specific semiautomatic weapons and ammunition clips of 10 rounds or more. Former Presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan wrote to all members of the House to encourage them to pass the ban at the time. But it was set to expire exactly 10 years later if it weren't renewed in Congress, and President George W. Bush never pushed Congressional leaders to move the renewal legislation. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories. And because existing weapons and large ammo clips were protected by a "grandfather" provision, many pre-ban guns remained in use. "The bill's not perfect; we could have written a better bill," Feinstein says now. "I just didn't know how craven the gun manufacturers would be." Studies done by pro- and antigun groups as well as the Justice Department show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. California and other more urban states, including Massachusetts and New York, have passed their own laws curbing the use of assault weapons. Some of those are more stringent than the federal ban. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
Criminals don't care about laws, they don't buy guns legally, they buy them off the street ban or no ban. They are criminals, does it make it better if they create their crimes legally by using handguns or other auto weapons instead?
If you are going to ban weapons ban them all, not just a select few.
helping terrorists obtain their weapon of choice. 
Well if anything is to blame it's the fact that it's an election year.
Bush said he would sign any bill that passes his desk to extend the ban. But the thing is is that nobody is going to draft a bill to do such a thing. Republicans don't want to do bercause it'll piss off the NRA, and the democrats certainly don't want to do it because it'll piss off the NRA.
Re: Assault weapons ban to expire Today!
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| Originally posted by LiquidX Allright Bush supporters, give PROPS to the president of the 4 more years of hell for not pushing for the ban!! YEap.. this is what we all been waiting for, all criminals and all terrorists.. be able to get all this weapons easily and freely.. YEaaahh BUSH!! great way to fight Terrorism INDEED!!! There you go people... lets get ready to shoot and see massacres once again!! |
Seriously dude. You might as well just delete this thread.
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| DJ White House Says Bush Opposes End Of Assault Weapons Ban 2004-09-13 12:34 (New York) By Alex Keto Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Just hours before a ban on the sale of certain types of assault weapons ends, the Bush administration insisted Monday President George W. Bush opposes the end of the ban. However, White House spokesman Scott McClellan couldn't name a congressional leader Bush has called on the issue or point to any efforts the president has made to get the ban renewed. Bush has said he opposes a lifting of the 10-year ban on assault weapons. However, Congress has failed to take action on the matter and the ban will expire at midnight. "His (Bush's) position has been very well-known. We've restated that position. It remains unchanged. But he does not set the legislative timetable. Members of Congress set the legislative timetable," McClellan said. Democratic rival Sen. John Kerry has accused Bush of actually backing the lifting of the ban by taking no action to stop this from happening. McClellan said the charge was baseless. "First of all, the President's position is very well-known on the assault weapons ban. I think it's... another false attack from Senator Kerry," McClellan said. In any case, the real issue isn't whether or not specific types of weapons are banned but whether current gun laws are enforced. "The issue here really goes to what are we doing to reduce violence committed with guns. And the best way to deter and combat violence committed with guns is to vigorously enforce our laws," McClellan said. He argued the administration's policies have been successful because rates of violent crime are at a 30-year low. -By Alex Keto, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-9256; [email protected] (END) Dow Jones Newswires 09-13-04 1234ET- - 12 34 PM EDT 09-13-04 |
mmm..maybe its time to make office space 2, featuring automatic weapons!
im more afraid of pistols than automatics since they are more concealable compared to an m4a1 or other assault rifle.
although the thought of assault weapons roaming around is still quite scary, im sure pistols have done much more damage to society than the rifles.
plus its an election year and this is another whole touchy-feely subject. but of course, its more fun to talk about than each candidates guard/navy history back in vietnam...
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| Originally posted by Shakka DJ White House.... |
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| Originally posted by occrider DJ White House? What kind of music does he spin? |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo get the F**k outta here with this Bulls**t!!!!!!!!!! Bush has always said he would continue the ban! talk to your freakin congressman why he let it lapse! talk to both houses of congress why they let it lapse! you f**kin bleeding heart Bussh haters are really something |
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| Originally posted by occrider Well if anything is to blame it's the fact that it's an election year. Bush said he would sign any bill that passes his desk to extend the ban. But the thing is is that nobody is going to draft a bill to do such a thing. Republicans don't want to do bercause it'll piss off the NRA, and the democrats certainly don't want to do it because it'll piss off the NRA. |
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| Republican leaders in Congress said last week they have no plans to renew the 1994 ban on 19 types of military-style assault weapons, even as some law enforcement officials encouraged them to keep the prohibition alive. (Special report: America Votes 2004) |
NRA held back their endorcement of bush until the bill was defeat.
I don't think you can blame this one strictly on Bush...he said he would support it....oh wait yes you can...you blame him for everything already except sliced bread...my bad.
When will they figure out that people kill people (along with natural disasters and disease and...)... You know...if we ban people...we really wouldn't this problem anymore. 
...and yes, I was for continuing the ban...who needs an assault rifle anyway...
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| Originally posted by PhloTron I don't think you can blame this one strictly on Bush...he said he would support it....oh wait yes you can...you blame him for everything already except sliced bread...my bad. When will they figure out that people kill people (along with natural disasters and disease and...)... You know...if we ban people...we really wouldn't this problem anymore. ...and yes, I was for continuing the ban...who needs an assault rifle anyway... |
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| Originally posted by LiquidX Well, he's got the leadership in America, I have not seen any effort from he's side to continue the ban, just words. |
off the topic, but something i read recently...that bush failed to get accepted into Univ of Texas school of law. no offense, but with as many connections as he had, wtf?
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| Originally posted by The Peach off the topic, but something i read recently...that bush failed to get accepted into Univ of Texas school of law. no offense, but with as many connections as he had, wtf? |
sorry, it was just kinda humorous considering he governed the state years later. i do give the man props for "getting in" to harvard business school...however, harvard must have really blown chunks back in his day because his failed business ventures and the fact that he didnt know social security was a govt program just beats me.
and as far as kerry is concerned, i hear he didnt get too great of a gpa either (not too far above bush's 1.68 gpa). no doubt he also has a silver spoon up his arse...as do the majority of high powered politicians.
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| Originally posted by The Peach no doubt he also has a silver spoon up his arse...as do the majority of high powered politicians. |
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| Originally posted by The Peach sorry, it was just kinda humorous considering he governed the state years later. i do give the man props for "getting in" to harvard business school...however, harvard must have really blown chunks back in his day because his failed business ventures and the fact that he didnt know social security was a govt program just beats me. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo humorous that A&M has acceptence standards? or humorous you think that what you "heard" about someone pulling strings to get him in the Guard equates to someone pulling strings to get him into law school? explain. and another thing, do you realize that EVERYONE involved in ANY Texas oil venture in the 70's and early 80's got the rug pulled out from under them by the Saudis back then? do you remember the oil crisis? do you realize that he managed to make millions despite his setbacks. and who said he didn't know what Social Security was? i've heard this before but i thought it was someone else. |
You shouldn't have even posted this non-sense. The law makers are allowing the ban to pass since there were so many loopholes in it in the first place. The ban allowed for gun makers to redesign/rename weapons that were on the list, and still sell them.
The Colt Ar-15 is a perfect example. It is a copy of the M-16. It uses the same ammo and has the same rate of fire as the M-16 and was completly legal to own under the ban.
The ban also made it so the largest new clip you could have in a pistol was 10 rounds. Under the grandfater clause you could still buy larger clips. I had a budy that was looking for a 30 round clip for his Glock. As long as he could prove it was made before the ban, it was totally legal to have it.
The ban was originally created by Clinton to win votes. It made no sense at all. If criminals want the weapons they are going to get them no matter what. There are countries in Africa that sell AK-47's on the black market for $5 a piece, so please explain to me how the ban stopped terrorists from obtaining assult weapons.
The only problem I have with the ban expiring is that at the moment, no one has plans to come up with a better one.
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| Originally posted by WM2 You shouldn't have even posted this non-sense. The law makers are allowing the ban to pass since there were so many loopholes in it in the first place. The ban allowed for gun makers to redesign/rename weapons that were on the list, and still sell them. The Colt Ar-15 is a perfect example. It is a copy of the M-16. It uses the same ammo and has the same rate of fire as the M-16 and was completly legal to own under the ban. |
I haven't posted any Boortz in a while, but this thread tied in with some of his comments today.
Neal's Nuze 9/13/04
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| THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN Do you notice the media panic? The assault weapons ban expires at midnight tonight! By tomorrow morning our streets will be packed with roving gangs carrying machine guns. Two things. First ... these so-called "assault weapons" have played a very minor role in the American crime picture over the years. There were a few incidents in California involving some rather ugly semi-automatic weapons and Barbara Boxer went nuts. And that brings us to our second point. Do you know how the various weapons listed in the soon-to-expire ban were chosen? Barbara Boxer and some staffers got their hands on a weapons catalogue and decided which weapons looked the most dangerous. These were the weapons ultimately banned. The decision was based on cosmetics. Legislation written the way this law was written deserves to die. |
So Bush can make the whole world go to war with Iraq but he can't pass a law in his own Congress?
cool
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