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What technics should i buy ?

Hi guys after almost 3 years spinning on my gemini's 500's <-- great decks for beginners

I'm gona buy my self new stuff .. i already i know what my mixer is going 2 be .. but now i wanna know what technic turntable i must have .. and because some how the technic dj page doesnt work because of an error on this crapy machine i'm gonna ask you

few things i wanna say ..

Not the gold edition
And if possible not with the quartz lock .. i hate it
And also no the CDJ
Also i dont need 16+ Pitch

greetz

Sounds like the 1200 MK2's to me...

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Originally posted by djxtension Sounds like the 1200 MK2's to me...

yep, I would personally go with the MK5s or the M3Ds though. I like not having the 0-pitch click.

you looking for either the MK3 (M3D) or a MK5, or you could buy the MK2 and swap out the pitch control for a MK3 one, and that way you will get rid of the quartz, it really isn't a big deal, its never bothered me.

tnx guys so far ... so its the mk3 or the mk5 .. what is the main difference between the 2 ?

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Originally posted by Flash Bastard tnx guys so far ... so its the mk3 or the mk5 .. what is the main difference between the 2 ?

Nothing really, the MK5s are surposed to have abit more torque and a better tonearm system, but I dunno if thats true, doesn't matter anyway.

hmm .. indeed if you have to pay 50 bugs more then i will just take the mk3 i guess .. also buying my self djm500 and making my self a new big ass booth .. pictures will be available later

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Originally posted by DannyO Nothing really, the MK5s are surposed to have abit more torque and a better tonearm system, but I dunno if thats true, doesn't matter anyway.

Not true. The mk5 and m3d have the same motor and tonearm. the main difference is the mk5 has a LED stylus lamp instead of a regular bulb found on the m3d. the mk5 goes up to 6grams of antiskate while the m3d and mk2 goes up to 3grams. (btw, you probably won't need to use antiskate) Another thing, the brake adjust pot on the mk5's PCB has been moved a little to the right so you can now adjust the brake without removing the platter. Other than that, there's nothing different.

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Hi guys after almost 3 years spinning on my gemini's 500's <-- great decks for beginners

No they're not. An XL-500 has no armbearing, just a simple bullet in a bawl. No internal isolation, and a little block that functions as a break (instead of a good electronic break).

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Originally posted by DannyO Nothing really, the MK5s are surposed to have abit more torque and a better tonearm system, but I dunno if thats true, doesn't matter anyway.

It isn't.

MK1: Primary design with a rotary pitch knob.
MK2: Rotary pitchknob has been replaced by a fader (good!).
MK3: Some dickshit put a weight on the headshell (why the hell do you wanna do that! Make the contraweight lighter!) and a white led instead of the regular popuplamp. That really took years of research.
MK5: Idenktical to MK3, but then with a 8/16% pitch switch.

ALL SL-1200's have the SAME arm, the SAME motor and the SAME torque!

One thing I have noticed: The spindle of the SL-1200 is a bit bigger then the other turntables (might be done on purpose). Might be my imagination, but I think that tiny little bit of difference (we're talking about fractions of a mm over here) is gone in the MK5/M5G.

Rather go for a super OEM turntable. You're paying way too much for a technics these days.

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Originally posted by DjVash No they're not. An XL-500 has no armbearing, just a simple bullet in a bawl. No internal isolation, and a little block that functions as a break (instead of a good electronic break). It isn't. MK1: Primary design with a rotary pitch knob. MK2: Rotary pitchknob has been replaced by a fader (good!). MK3: Some dickshit put a weight on the headshell (why the hell do you wanna do that! Make the contraweight lighter!) and a white led instead of the regular popuplamp. That really took years of research. MK5: Idenktical to MK3, but then with a 8/16% pitch switch. ALL SL-1200's have the SAME arm, the SAME motor and the SAME torque! One thing I have noticed: The spindle of the SL-1200 is a bit bigger then the other turntables (might be done on purpose). Might be my imagination, but I think that tiny little bit of difference (we're talking about fractions of a mm over here) is gone in the MK5/M5G. Rather go for a super OEM turntable. You're paying way too much for a technics these days.

correction, the mk5 only has +-8% pitch while the MK5G has the 16% switch.

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Originally posted by DjVash Rather go for a super OEM turntable. You're paying way too much for a technics these days.

But Vash, what about having to mod/tune the super OEMs to get rid of that problem you were talking about? A brand new American Audio will run about the same price as a used 1200 M3D. But then, that thing you mentioned bothers me...

Oh well I thought I read somewhere that it had like .2grams more or something, I knew it was the same motor and arm, just though it had been tweeked, I don't pay attention to these things as theres no need, so meh, only thing left to say is.

I BEEN OWNED.

mk5 are just a lot more expensive

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Originally posted by Tegu But Vash, what about having to mod/tune the super OEMs to get rid of that problem you were talking about? A brand new American Audio will run about the same price as a used 1200 M3D. But then, that thing you mentioned bothers me...

That's not really a mod. It's simply the armbearing that isn't correctly adjusted (so far every brand but technics can't properly adjust the armbearing on delivery). Your dealer can probably adjust this for you.

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Originally posted by DjVash ALL SL-1200's have the SAME arm

m5g has a different pivot section on the arm, i.e. its all metal and not plastic. along with the extra downforce weight on the headshell (for lighter carts) and an extra tonearm weight (for heavier carts). but yeah thats pretty useless as there arn't many carts that need them...

but yeah, techs are way too expensive for what they are, have a good look around before wasting your money so hastily

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Originally posted by tu_face m5g has a different pivot section on the arm, i.e. its all metal and not plastic. along with the extra downforce weight on the headshell (for lighter carts) and an extra tonearm weight (for heavier carts). but yeah thats pretty useless as there arn't many carts that need them... but yeah, techs are way too expensive for what they are, have a good look around before wasting your money so hastily

Really? I should order a new M5G then and examine... (they don't sell that good around here, best selling turntables are the super OEM's...)

And I REALLY don't see the use of an extra weight on the headshell. You can do the SAME THING with the contraweight.

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Originally posted by DjVash And I REALLY don't see the use of an extra weight on the headshell. You can do the SAME THING with the contraweight.

and it seems a bit daft that they supply extra weights for both the headshell, and the counter-weight (theres one to screw on to the end of the tonearm, i think its 4g).... i suppose it entirely rules out the chance of a cart not getting enough/getting too much weight, but i agree its a bit useless and probably adds �10 to the cost.

Woei tnx guys .. keep the comment coming

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Originally posted by tu_face and it seems a bit daft that they supply extra weights for both the headshell, and the counter-weight (theres one to screw on to the end of the tonearm, i think its 4g).... i suppose it entirely rules out the chance of a cart not getting enough/getting too much weight, but i agree its a bit useless and probably adds �10 to the cost.

EXACTLY! Although it's probably a bit more than that... the difference between the MK2 and MK3 was the white led (wow! 20 years of research for a white LED!), protected power button and a shitty weight on the headshell. That's not worth 100 euro's extra I believe.

indeed i dont need all the crap on it .. because alot of it you wont use

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Originally posted by DjVash EXACTLY! Although it's probably a bit more than that... the difference between the MK2 and MK3 was the white led (wow! 20 years of research for a white LED!), protected power button and a shitty weight on the headshell. That's not worth 100 euro's extra I believe.

this is what gets my goat about technics. why they bother making a new model for these shit updates is beyond me (apart from the obvious $ factor). the only advancement that i can see as being worth it is the mk3 - m5g step (ignore mk5's, they are basically m3d's) with the blue lights, +/-16% pitch range and new pivot section (not to forget the spangly finish). well over-priced too, but i still bought one.. plastic pays

the funny thing is, i STILL prefer my pdx2000's over the m5g. i have always preferred them but until now i couldn't get a direct comparison (as in using both at once). i just like the way the vestax reacts to manipulation. i find the technics require a softly-softly approach (which i find annoying when i am trying to do things quickly) where-as with the vestax, because the platter is screwed down it's a lot less faffing around, and getting the thing to the desired cue point is much easier as you can spin the thing so fast without it coming close to skipping. then there is ultrapitch. on an m5g, +/-16% is ok, but its not precise and you have to be very careful with the movements, but with the vestax, you still have +/-10% pitch range on the main fader, it just alters the point which it's at when the main fader is in the middle. same precision at +50% as it has at +1%, this is a thing that no other manufacturer puts in their decks and i really don't see why. whats the point of having +/-25% or whatever still over a 100mm fader..?

all that for �175 less

and if you're bothered about straight arms, look at the new vestax decks, they have 'J' arms, looks like the best of both worlds

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