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Democrats Campaign. Whats going on?
1 - Where is John Edwards? Every since the DNC, and the whole Clinton surgery thing, he hasnt made it in the headlines for some time. He should be out there doing his thing.
2 - Inviting "top-level advisors" from former campaigns. With too many of these tools, all you get is dissenting opinion on what issues to talk about. KISS: Keep it Simple Stupid. Look at the RNC, all they did was hammer away the idea of "security" into everyones head and it worked to an extent. By trying to engage all the issues at one time only makes it too much to care about for the average joe schmoe.
3 - Relasing weak attacks. Anyone watch the "fortunate son" video? Its more or less a bush version of the swift boat ads, but the impression given is a joke. With all due respect to the armed services, Bush leapfrogged over 150 applicants in the selection of the national guard. 150! Come on give me a break, its not like 1500 or 15,000. And they say he missed a physical, as if it was as mysterious as a UFO landing! A film student coulda made a better ad.
But then again, keep up the good work so Bush can win. Mohahaha
bring on the pointless debates!
I'll tell you what is happening...they are sinking faster than the titanic.
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Funny, I got off of work today a little early, and I tuned over to Sean Hannity on my AM radio dial for a little humor. Ya know somethin', these were almost the exact same talking points that he brought up.
Coincidence?
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| Originally posted by policerobots 1 - Where is John Edwards? Every since the DNC, and the whole Clinton surgery thing, he hasnt made it in the headlines for some time. He should be out there doing his thing. |
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| 2 - Inviting "top-level advisors" from former campaigns. With too many of these tools, all you get is dissenting opinion on what issues to talk about. KISS: Keep it Simple Stupid. Look at the RNC, all they did was hammer away the idea of "security" into everyones head and it worked to an extent. By trying to engage all the issues at one time only makes it too much to care about for the average joe schmoe. |
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| 3 - Relasing weak attacks. Anyone watch the "fortunate son" video? Its more or less a bush version of the swift boat ads, but the impression given is a joke. With all due respect to the armed services, Bush leapfrogged over 150 applicants in the selection of the national guard. 150! Come on give me a break, its not like 1500 or 15,000. And they say he missed a physical, as if it was as mysterious as a UFO landing! A film student coulda made a better ad. But then again, keep up the good work so Bush can win. Mohahaha bring on the pointless debates! |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec I'll tell you what is happening...they are sinking faster than the titanic. |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Maybe a quick time-out, maybe he's taking a dump. Who the hell knows, unfortunately not every movement is focused on the VP and/or VP candidate like the President and candidate. Not too worried, though. |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Kerry didn't release the attacks, the 527's did. |
speaking of sean hannity...you hear he got #2 sexiest news anchorman by playgirl? lol thats pretty funny
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| Originally posted by Shakka On this point, I have to say, "Yeah, where the hell has he been?" Seriously, Opus, you can't deny that Edwards has been all but completely absent for the last 2 months. I don't remember reading his name much in the press over the same amount of time either. I don't know where he is, but I wonder if Terry McCauliffe is keeping him on the d/l because of his trial lawyer roots? Nevertheless, I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask. |
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| Originally posted by biznology so what has Cheney been doing? hiding in a bunker when unnecessary? who gives a shit? apparently himself - yet why? Cheney is VP - like Edwards(pabst), and *technically* doesnt need to do shit, yet the campaign must rely on him as repubs need policy... do you need an opposing policy to run a race? huh| |
what has cheny been doing? didnt you hear him a few days ago? he said a vote on john kerry would invite another terrorist attack. Although it is just another attack, small things like those add up.
Edwards should at least be out there saying something to get his voice heard.
note how bush and his vp aint campaigning together? i bet its so they can launch seperate attacks and cover more battleground states
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| Originally posted by Shakka On this point, I have to say, "Yeah, where the hell has he been?" Seriously, Opus, you can't deny that Edwards has been all but completely absent for the last 2 months. I don't remember reading his name much in the press over the same amount of time either. I don't know where he is, but I wonder if Terry McCauliffe is keeping him on the d/l because of his trial lawyer roots? Nevertheless, I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask. |
last i saw edwards, he was walking the streets of a neighboring town examining the damage from our worst flood since 1916. I think that was friday or saturday. sorry we're not getting the press coverage.
Storm-ravaged WNC asks Edwards for some relief
it's funny that you bots give him hell for ignoring his responsibilities as a senator, but when he stops campaigning for a week to deal with his own state, you call him a disappearing coward.
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| Originally posted by Shakka Cheney has always been less visible than W, but he's been out stumping if you've been watching TV. Certainly more visible than Edwards. Point is, there was alot of hype around Edwards when Kerry picked him as a running mate, and ever since he's been virtually non-existent. He's the prettiest face they have to put on TV and he's nowhere to be seen. |
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| Originally posted by ResonantDrag last i saw edwards, he was walking the streets of a neighboring town examining the damage from our worst flood since 1916. I think that was friday or saturday. sorry we're not getting the press coverage. Storm-ravaged WNC asks Edwards for some relief it's funny that you bots give him hell for ignoring his responsibilities as a senator, but when he stops campaigning for a week to deal with his own state, you call him a disappearing coward. |
disappointing coward? lol
way to go for liberals twisting the story
we were merely stating here that he hasnt had the media coverage
since the DNC and wondering what hes doing
I don't think there's much to debate, the democrats are running a lack luster campaign. I'd assign equal blame to both kerry and his advisors.
Republicans are running an agressive dirty campaign and its working. The Democrats are reeling from each successive blow. No matter what anyone tells you positive politics and "the facts" don't mean shit. Hope Kerry gets his act together.
my apologies for misrepresenting the sentiments expressed by some of the members of these boards.
i still did offer a explanation for the lack of edwards in the national news. our local news has shown edwards doing the job that we elected him to do. but that would contradict the claims made by some folk that he and kerry have abandoned their senate duties. [insert reason for lack of coverage here]
now that i've filtered out the arguables, do we have any real responses to this scenerio?
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| Originally posted by Shakka On this point, I have to say, "Yeah, where the hell has he been?" Seriously, Opus, you can't deny that Edwards has been all but completely absent for the last 2 months. I don't remember reading his name much in the press over the same amount of time either. I don't know where he is, but I wonder if Terry McCauliffe is keeping him on the d/l because of his trial lawyer roots? Nevertheless, I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask. |
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| Originally posted by xKaoSx The fact alone that you are asking about him is publicity enough isnt it? |
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| All this publicity and nothing negative- hmmmmmmmm |
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| He doesnt even have to make appearances and it still bites at you- WHERE IS HE? |
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| Edwards is not the focus, though I do tend to agree with the implication that he should be more involved. He is THE major asset to this campaign, and he should be utilized more. |
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| He's like Waldo |
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain643438.shtml
Boy are they asking a lot of advisors to join in. Well, at least ill give them the respect in how they all want to contribute their 2 cents in removing W, but with so many opinions and voices they are all just cockblocking each other in trying to dominate the campaign message. We'll see how it goes...wonder what they can come up with in the next few weeks.
One of my buddies sent me pics of him at the RNC...that bastard. Got to take a picture with Giuliani and some other people there.
I liked today's Kerry's Speech .. I think it's headed on the right direction, finally a speech that attacks various positions against Bush at once.
Point taken, Shakka:
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| September 16, 2004 Democrats Seek Louder Voice From Edwards By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD and ADAM NAGOURNEY OMEROY, Ohio, Sept. 15 - Don Imus had a question for Senator John Kerry when the senator called in to Mr. Imus's morning televised radio program on Wednesday. "Where's Edwards?" Mr. Imus demanded, referring to Mr. Kerry's running mate, Senator John Edwards. "I wondered if he was still on the ticket. We haven't heard from him." Mr. Kerry assured Mr. Imus - the broadcasting personality who long ago endorsed Mr. Kerry - that Mr. Edwards was campaigning hard. But Mr. Imus is not the only person who is asking that question these days. At a time when Vice President Dick Cheney has been mocking and pummeling Mr. Kerry across the country, reveling in the traditional fighting role of a vice-presidential nominee, Mr. Edwards has adopted a decidedly less belligerent and lower-profile stance as he campaigns through communities like this small town in southeast Ohio. Only in the last few days, with criticism percolating among Democrats, has he become louder in taking on the administration. Mr. Kerry's advisers said Mr. Edwards was doing what they wanted, mixing attacks on President Bush and Mr. Cheney with the soft and smiling campaign style that became his hallmark during the Democratic primary battle - and which drew Mr. Kerry to him in the first place. Mr. Edwards, in a brief interview in his bus by the side of the road near here on Wednesday, disputed the suggestion that he had kept a low profile or not energetically taken on Mr. Bush or Mr. Cheney. "When George Bush or Dick Cheney have said something that is outrageous - and they've done that a number of times - I responded strongly and quickly," he said. "When they've lied about John Kerry, I've responded strongly and quickly." But with Mr. Kerry under such piercing assault from Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, some Democrats said they were concerned that Mr. Edwards seemed to be slipping to the side of the stage at the very time that Mr. Kerry needs him to do what Mr. Cheney is doing for Mr. Bush. Several drew comparisons with the soft-hitting vice-presidential campaign run by Senator Joseph I. Lieberman in 2000, and said they were concerned that Mr. Edwards, like Mr. Lieberman, would duck when it came down to the vice-presidential debate next month. "He needs to put a little Tabasco in his message," said Donna Brazile, who managed Al Gore's campaign for president in 2000. "He needs to go out, and he needs to do the attack. There needs to be some sharper contrasts, and John Edwards can make that case." Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, a friend and an adviser to Mr. Kerry, criticized the tenor of Mr. Cheney's assaults on the Democrats but said that they were "probably helping the president." "We've got to give him hell and tell the truth," Mr. Biden said, "and that requires laying out the obvious lies of Cheney and calling him on that. Somebody should be doing that." Asked if it should be Mr. Edwards, Mr. Biden responded, "Theoretically, yes." And Tony Coelho, a Democratic strategist who also, early on, ran the Gore campaign in 2000, said: "The Bush camp is using Cheney in a much more aggressive way than the Kerry camp is using Edwards. What they do with Cheney is go out there and be the hammer, when necessary, but also the validator." "It doesn't seem that Edwards is in it all the time," Mr. Coehlo said, "They use him a little bit as a hammer, but not a lot. I don't understand it. They need it." That Mr. Edwards finds his role being questioned by prominent Democrats reflects how the playing field has changed in the 10 weeks since Mr. Kerry turned to him. The choice was almost universally hailed by other Democrats in the party. At the time, Mr. Edwards was seen as a young-looking and vibrant counterpart to Mr. Kerry - a moderate Southerner with an appeal to rural voters that seemed particularly valuable to Mr. Kerry, who is from Massachusetts. And in a campaign in which many undecided voters were independents who polls suggested recoiled at harsh-edged politics, Mr. Edwards, whose primary campaign appeal was his attack on attack campaigning, seemed a clear asset. But as Mr. Kerry finds himself behind in polls and under such relenting assault by Mr. Cheney- the vice president suggested last week that the election of Mr. Kerry would invite more terrorist attacks - some Democrats are recalculating that equation. "Vice-presidential candidates serve as attack dogs," said one Kerry adviser, who asked not to be identified. "Our vice-presidential candidate was picked for his sunny optimism. He self-consciously eschewed negativity during his own campaign. Consequently, he doesn't make for the most effective attack dog." Part of the reason that Mr. Edwards might seem to some Democrats to have faded away is because Mr. Kerry's campaign has dispatched him, for the most part, to rural areas where he is not likely to draw much national attention. His aides say that he has received extensive, and usually glowing, notices from the newspapers and television stations in places where he has appeared. In addition, former presidential candidates who become vice-presidential candidates invariably recede a bit. Some Democrats suggested that that was particularly true this year because Mr. Kerry is taller and broader than Mr. Edwards, diminishing his presence on stage, while Mr. Cheney's oratory overshadows even the harshest of the Edwards attacks. Mr. Edwards's situation is also complicated because he has the equivalent of a political brand to protect for a future run, and he has made little secret of the fact that, no matter what happens this year, he wants to run for president again. In addition, some Democrats said he was wary of being remembered in this race in the same light as, say, Richard M. Nixon or Spiro T. Agnew. Beyond that, although Mr. Edwards is a trial lawyer, the fact that he so assiduously avoided attack politics during the primary has left him without the tools he might need for this tough September. "It's more difficult for him to play the hatchet man because he doesn't come that way naturally," said Paul C. Light, a professor of public service at New York University and an expert on the vice presidency. "He doesn't have a lot of experience out there cutting people down." Mr. Edwards was Mr. Kerry's last major opponent in the primaries, though he went to great lengths afterward to smooth over any tensions that might have existed between them. Not uncommon in this situation, Mr. Kerry's campaign made a point of surrounding Mr. Edwards with Kerry loyalists; much of Mr. Edwards's former senior staff has been placed in other parts of the campaign. Mr. Kerry's aides said Mr. Edwards was not part of Mr. Kerry's close political circle, saying he was not involved, for example, in Mr. Kerry's recent decisions to shake up his campaign staff. Still, in the interview, Mr. Edwards portrayed his relationship with Mr. Kerry as close, saying they speak every day, sharing advice and insights about speeches and the presidential and vice-presidential debates. "Every day, we talk about where the campaign is going," he said. "I think both of us feel like we're in a battle for our country and we're in this foxhole together." And Mr. Edwards said he was campaigning tirelessly, spending at most one or two days a week at home in Washington with his wife and two young children. "It's hard to know how you can do more campaigning," he said. "I'm campaigning six, seven days every week with long days. I have events, rallies and so forth where there are thousands and thousands of people. I get a great response." Still, Mr. Edwards suggested in the interview that he had to adjust from being one Democrat in a field seeking his party's presidential nomination to running in a general election. "This is night and day," he said. "It's a different thing to personally attack other Democrats who agree with you about so many things than talking about what this president and this administration have done to this country. I don't have the slightest hesitation about holding them responsible for it." Mr. Edwards said that after a campaign that initially sought to offer "a positive vision for our country," it had now "evolved into more what you see today - which is aggressively making the case against this administration." And on Wednesday, after Mr. Imus chastised Mr. Kerry on his program on MSNBC, Mr. Edwards seemed to be devoting a larger chunk of his stump speech to attacking the White House. When a questioner in Parkersburg, W.Va., asked why Mr. Bush had not been attacked regarding the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, Mr. Edwards all but jumped at the question. "Have you ever heard the president or vice president take any responsibility for what happened there?'' he demanded. Randal C. Archibold reported from Pomeroy for this article, and Adam Nagourney from Washington. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/16/p...edwards.html?hp |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Point taken, Shakka: |
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