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http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/0...s.ap/index.html

This topic could really get me started just to warn you.

The idea of awarding scholarships based on sexual orientation is pretty disturbing to me. It continues a line of scholarships available to people based on what I would consider to be physical characteristics. I agree that scholarships should be available to those deemed "underprivelaged" or based on achievement, but I be hard-pressed to ever find a situation in which a person should be given a scholarship based on normally occuring physical characteristics, except in cases of physical deformities.

The way I find most fair to judge the validity of a scholarship is to award a scholarship in reverse and then access how the public would react. For instance, if we were to give scholarships for heterosexuals, based on their sexuality alone, would we deem it fair? I find it hard to believe so. That being said, how can a scholarship, again based soley on sexual orientation be fair in reverse?

HOW GAY can this fucking nation get...

If it doesn't affect you, don't pay attention to it. I could care less about this. But I wonder when the homosexual community will start putting pressure on the congress so they can have their own public bathrooms.

Seriously, fucken America is going bizarre each year. Its fucking scary to live there nowadays thinking with all this shit happening

well then, if GAYS arent allowed decent rights i guess that straights shouldnt be allowed TA duty|

Um, it's a charity guys. They can spend their money how they like. If you don't support allowing gays into college (I mean, could you imagine if they started using our drinking fountains?) just don't give them any money - isn't that how charity normally works?

Mmmm there should be a Straights Scholarship then... wtf is this GAy scholarship.. it descriminates me!

I'm just curious how they establish the person as being gay...

So if a private group awards scholarships to meritous students by singling out their religion ... say a christian scholarship ... I should get into a hissy fit about it?

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Originally posted by occrider So if a private group awards scholarships to meritous students by singling out their religion ... say a christian scholarship ... I should get into a hissy fit about it?

I like your hissy fits. Go ahead. Please?

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Originally posted by occrider So if a private group awards scholarships to meritous students by singling out their religion ... say a christian scholarship ... I should get into a hissy fit about it?

I'd have no problem with you have a hissy about that. Again, I think scholarships should be given on the basis of need and merit, not anything that the student is either born with physically, or chooses to do socially. If we're going to allow scholarships based on sexual orientation, or continue the practice of giving scholarships based completely on ethnicity, why can't we have scholarships for heterosexuals only, or for whites only? Can you imagine the outcry if there was an established whites-only scholarship, or how about a neo-nazi scholarship? The double standards in this country are sometimes breath-taking.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'd have no problem with you have a hissy about that. Again, I think scholarships should be given on the basis of need and merit, not anything that the student is either born with physically, or chooses to do socially. If we're going to allow scholarships based on sexual orientation, or continue the practice of giving scholarships based completely on ethnicity, why can't we have scholarships for heterosexuals only, or for whites only? Can you imagine the outcry if there was an established whites-only scholarship, or how about a neo-nazi scholarship? The double standards in this country are sometimes breath-taking.

*Yawn*

There have been scholarships for whites only.

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9910/30/white.scholarships/

There have been scholarships for fat people, a david letterman scholarship, a lefty scholarship, a goodie goodie scholarship, a pot scholarship, a scholarship if you know someone named "zolp", etc., etc., etc. You can organize a group and give a scholarship to anyone you damn well please ... it's your money.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/W...lffiles187.html

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'd have no problem with you have a hissy about that. Again, I think scholarships should be given on the basis of need and merit, not anything that the student is either born with physically, or chooses to do socially. If we're going to allow scholarships based on sexual orientation, or continue the practice of giving scholarships based completely on ethnicity, why can't we have scholarships for heterosexuals only, or for whites only? Can you imagine the outcry if there was an established whites-only scholarship, or how about a neo-nazi scholarship? The double standards in this country are sometimes breath-taking.

Well who's to say that groups like the neo-nazi's and the whites only COULDN'T start up private funding for scholarships? Who the hell knows, in all likelihood they probably have, at least privately. If they want to come forward and announce such private funding scholarships publicly, hey it's their perogative.

But then it seemingly becomes a comparison of who's more morally ethical in the public eye, and they will become fodder to the public just as this gay group is now. Does a homosexual woman deserve a PRIVATE funded scholarship more than a white supremacist? Who knows, let the public decide if that's true. The bottom line is it's a private fund, and they can do whatever the hell they want, and must accept public scrutiny as a result.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono why can't we have scholarships for heterosexuals only, or for whites only?

What's stopping you from starting a charity that doles out scholarships like that? If it means that much to you, why not set one up now?

EDIT: - Damn, beaten yet again by occrider's nimble fingers:

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Originally posted by occrider You can organize a group and give a scholarship to anyone you damn well please ... it's your money. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/W...lffiles187.html

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Originally posted by occrider So if a private group awards scholarships to meritous students by singling out their religion ... say a christian scholarship ... I should get into a hissy fit about it?

Yes, probably. Why waste an education on someone who voluntarily chooses to remain ignorant instead of actually trying to discover the truths behind their existence?

I'm not trying to agrue what *is* allowed, I'm aruging of what I think *should* be allowed. You can call it a pipe dream, or whatever you would like, but I do not think that scholarships based on anything other then need or merit should be given. I realized after I posted that there are whites-only sholarships that I have read about, but that does not make it any more acceptable for me. I'm not trying to get on a soapbox here, but when we preach equality then give scholarhips that in my opinion further inequality, I'm not sure what ends we're trying to reach. I would like to live in a society where, as I have said before we can put aside the trivial characteristics of humanity, such as "race," religion, sexual orientation etc., and focus on need and ability when recieving scholarships. You can tell me all you want about what there is, but I am arguing for what their should be.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'm not trying to agrue what *is* allowed, I'm aruging of what I think *should* be allowed. You can call it a pipe dream, or whatever you would like, but I do not think that scholarships based on anything other then need or merit should be given. I realized after I posted that there are whites-only sholarships that I have read about, but that does not make it any more acceptable for me. I'm not trying to get on a soapbox here, but when we preach equality then give scholarhips that in my opinion further inequality, I'm not sure what ends we're trying to reach. I would like to live in a society where, as I have said before we can put aside the trivial characteristics of humanity, such as "race," religion, sexual orientation etc., and focus on need and ability when recieving scholarships. You can tell me all you want about what there is, but I am arguing for what their should be.

Oh you silly idealist you!

Well I certainly agree with your opinion here, but in a free society which we have, we must accept certain liberties like these, esp. the ones we may not agree with. I think, however, that John Stuart Mill made this point pretty clearly in his "On Liberty" piece. Allow these liberties, and let the public decide the ethical choices of what are considered acceptable. One way or another, I don't think there's too much to worry about on these gay scholarships. But I do understand your point, however, and agree that merit and need should supercede all other instances.

The question that follows is, what would you think would be a proper solution?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'm not trying to agrue what *is* allowed, I'm aruging of what I think *should* be allowed. You can call it a pipe dream, or whatever you would like, but I do not think that scholarships based on anything other then need or merit should be given. I realized after I posted that there are whites-only sholarships that I have read about, but that does not make it any more acceptable for me. I'm not trying to get on a soapbox here, but when we preach equality then give scholarhips that in my opinion further inequality, I'm not sure what ends we're trying to reach. I would like to live in a society where, as I have said before we can put aside the trivial characteristics of humanity, such as "race," religion, sexual orientation etc., and focus on need and ability when recieving scholarships. You can tell me all you want about what there is, but I am arguing for what their should be.

Personally I would be inclined to agree with you with respect to the educational institutions themselves. However, I could care less what a private group does with their money as what appears to be the case with this scholarship. But part of your criticism of the gay scholarships was due to the outrageous "double standard" that existed in this country. However, since there are indeed white only scholarships and scholarships for anything and everything, the only double standard I see are from the groups that wish to politicize the issue.

freedom of speech and all that jazz. anybody can decide to creat a scholarship program, a private one, and base it on whatever the hell they can do. if it were done by the government, then it would be an act of affirmative action and i don't like that.

>JM<

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