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How Do You Guys Construct your Trance Songs
Whats up Everyone. I was wondering how you guys construct your trance songs For Example
1. How do you start intros, soft melody or hard, and how do you do it. bring in the kicks first or whatever. Strings. Please Explain
2. What do u do in a mixdown?
3. What do u do on your Outro's?
4. What type of effects and On what instruments?
You get the point
Just want to know some tips and tricks on this.
I've listened to a few of your tracks, and I think you're pretty much got the idea, great stuff. By the way, thanks a million for turning me onto soundclick.
Thanks.
I'm Just trying to see were everyone else is at maybe this could be a good forum. Hopefully give tips and ideas on how to construct trance music.
In that case, I think it varies from song to song. I've started out with just about every element, pads, bassline, kick. Given that "most" EDM is built on a 4/4 structure, I usually throw in the other elements at multiples of 4 bars. I prefer minor keys as they feel a little more dramatic. Outro's, I usually let the song dictate to me when its over, but I know a lot of producers prefer the more DJ friendly Kicks in, Kicks out approach. About the only set rule I have for effects, I have this fetish for chorusing stringy instruments. But that's about all I got to say about that.
Re: How Do You Guys Construct your Trance Songs
As a newbie producer I dunno how much I can help, but...
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honestly i found that i can do alot better percussion work when im doing 16x4 step sequencer. ie. 16 measures at 4beats. i found that it makes doing percussions lines alot better becuase you can make 3 or 4 almost exact copys of your percussion but have changes here and there and each one. then i throw the hats on an fx send which is loaded with a chorus and flange and a slight delay. then i have my clap and crashes on an fx send that has reverb and a dely on them and slight distortion, then for my kicks ill run them to another fx send and have eqing and a bassboost on them and chompression. for synths i usually have a fx send that will have a hard delay and reverb and various other effects. now what i do is i automate the effects for for them to come in here and there and so on. then in the synths fx channels ill have various other effects ranging from chorus to vocooders. for intros sometimes ill use a vocooder over a synth and do some really intresting intros with it. for this i recomend orange vocodor. some usefull effects is gold compressor, psp vintage warmer, antrea tube, lexicon 24, 3d chorus, i also will load the vsti's effects into my effects board so i cna use the effects from that vsti ontop of other vstis and so on so forth. however my productions still sound like midi on meth but eh time will teach.
for mixdown and mastering i usually load a parametic eq that kills everything above the range of eharing and below the rang of hearing i belive the setting is anyhting below 20hz and anything above 20khz, ill also run gold compressor and psp vintage warmer and i use their preset for mastering and tweak them to apporiatness. for mixing i will work in the mixer and create a channel in the pl that is for the mixdown automation, and ill hit play on the track then hit record
and as the track plays ill tweak the levals here and there and bring them in and out for volume automation make the curves more flowing and round and not so quick and try to make sure you can hear each synth and making sure the synths that are layerd arent too loud to where they overpower each other. i also will load a eq on the master fx and eq the entire track. once thats all done sometimes ill export the project as a wav file load up traktor dj studio and run it through there and re-record it using the filters on there to add more depth to it raise the bass when needed lower it when needed. once this is done ill load the wav into wavelab and run through and make sure nothing peaks to high and i dont hit red and eq it some more.
hope this helps
can ya not right any more hehe
haha well i could but i wont as it would just turn into rambling. but hey just trying to help lol
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Wow thanks for all that Info. You guys are really helpful. I probably use some of those techniques.
Come on People post. So this Forum doesn't die.
Well there actually are no rules to this one. Some start with the bassline, some with a kick, some with just percs, other with pads...
There are so many different intros, you really need to practise and get handy at it yourself, the only tip i can give is to listen to other tracks and then use the same buildup in your tracks, en then try to modify that to what for you seems good.
For outro it's just the same. Be sure to make it not too short because DJs may want to mix in and out your track, take that into account!! (holds for intro as well) 4 counts pause in beginning or ending for example sucks for djs.
Fx on instruments: Well watch out you dont use to many reverb or delay, your mix will get muddy. Phasers/chorus on synths and fx will phatten things up. When you delay or reverb a synth, try to use the send channels. You can put some additional fx and eq on those.
Mixdown.. well I think you mean putting it all together and equalising? I actually don't render basslines or leads apart, just all at once, so im mixing while composing. i allways cut some high and low from every instument, i want to be in full control so you can make a crisp sound and you can distinct every instrument in the final mix when you listen to it. That usually should be the purpose when you mix it all.
Good luck with producing
Please bear with me if i'm mistaken at some points, i'm very new at this production ballgame.
Kick and snare usually sound better when they're dry, and if they sound flabby, tighten them with a bit of EQ and compression. Hi-hat, handclap and cymbal can use some nice reverb, just make sure they're on the same reverb settings (i.e. no "large hall" on cymbal and "small room" on handclap).
the "kick-in kick-out" approach you hear so often on 12-inch and club mixes will sound very boring on an album, so for album versions, soft intros and breakbeats are more palatable.
so i am a fairly novice producer and constantly learning with each new project, so as of now i really have no set way of doing a track, sometimes they start with nice lead and then everytrhing else is built around that or they start with some beats(which is basically a blank page), but lately since i always have trouble coming up with a good bassline i have been starting there first. but yeah get a few loops going then start arranging and laying it out and then start adding more stuff and then in the end give it the ol mixdown and selfadministered mastering and yeah a song, like whoa.
Re: How Do You Guys Construct your Trance Songs
1. How do you start intros, soft melody or hard, and how do you do it. bring in the kicks first or whatever. Strings. Please Explain
Depends on the song. Usually I like to start off with mainly perc and maybe a small bit of melody, that makes it DJ-friendly. I also try my best not to make it too boring and predictable, but when you're going for DJ friendliness that's hard. Usually it'll be something like 8 bars of kick and some perc, then 8 bars with more perc, and piling on more perc, then bass comes in after 32 bars, but really I like to vary it a bit.
2. What do u do in a mixdown?
Every so often when I'm composing I'll just turn everything down then bring them up to what I feel is good levels, that makes it sound better, saves me spending ages mixing after composing and also reduces clipping. Then when I'm done composing I'll listen to the song and adjust levels.
3. What do u do on your Outro's?
I usually get rid of the main melody gradually, like by filtering it out. Then I'll take away some perc (not much, I like percussive outro's), maybe take away the bassline. It's like intro though, I don't have any hard and fast rules apart from trying my best to make it interesting and DJ friendly.
4. What type of effects and On what instruments?
That's really something I'm still learning... I nearly always use stereo delay on things like perc and leads. Especially for any synth melodies, I give it some reverb and delay 90% of the time, always makes it sound better. For perc I'll give it reverb and a small amount of delay (or a lot of delay, if it works, like for shakers and stuff like that). Kick drum usually gets compressed, and often clap does too. Pads get reverb and delay.
I'm still not that experienced with things like chorus, phaser etc, still gotta experiment with them.
By the way don't take my advice as gospel, I've only been producing for a few months
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