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Has TA become a huge Self-Promotion site rather than a message board ?

I know some people will moan for what I'm saying, but If they don't like it they can just respect my freedom to speech, it's something I've noticed a lot of lately & wanted to know if i was the only one...

So Many threads like

x dj playing on yyy radio
markus schulz this
(insert dj name) sucks now
armin that
Ozgur Can this
Probspot that
new radio station that will just play the same old sets and sounds as all the others
prog house rocks now trance sucks
download my mix which is full of tunes I've made my own edits of
my aunties pet goat is playing in 10 days on (insert radio here) and I wanted to make sure you're tired of me talking about it before you get there.
listen to my tune and help me get signed
just use discogs
trance is dead
trance is back
trance is dead again
omfggggggggggggg im going to talk about a song that's not even out yet cos I got it on mp3

just to name some.


It seems to me that TA which used to be an amazing board for having a large number of very knowledgeable and appreciative music fans has just become a place to argue or publicise someone and their projects, and I think it's a shame, as now you ask about a tune and you get old to use discogs, which yes is a great resource, but in the past we'd have been able to talk about the particular track and have lots of opinions respected where now there's just so many trolls.

So am I the only one who sees this happening or Am I being paranoid ?

Gotta agree with you to an extent.

I'll admit to doing some self-promotion - I play on a radio show, on a slot that's not that busy, and there's not a lot of ways to get people listening, it's only natural for people who DJ or make tracks to want to promote themselves.

There's still good music discussion going on, but I agree with you about more people being told to use discogs, etc. Nothing wrong with discussing the remixes, and giving some opinions about them while you're at it...

Trance is dead threads seem to mostly be by attention-seeking newbies. If trance is dead, why are there like 600 of us on at a time, and it's one of the busiest music boards there is?

Well-said. I definitely agree with you.

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Originally posted by idoru Well-said. I definitely agree with you.

Yeah, on the scale I mean going back upto 3 years when I first joined TA where it seems that now especially people seem to enjoy signing up to just promote things, and it's a shame in a way cos back then there were many good threads but now it's mainly about things that not every1 can join in

I agree with you for the most part. I feel Discogs is more of a blessing than a curse though....although I don't know if that's exactly how you feel about it.

By telling someone about discogs, hopefully they'll remember it and go back there for simple questions that really don't require much thouught. However, if someone wants to talk about the background of a certain person, track, set, whatever, then the discogs comments disappear and generally you'll see a semi-intelligent conversation go on. Semi-intelligent because there are always those people that will enter with no intention other than to bring the topic off topic, or to create some sort of flame war.

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Originally posted by Ian^ Yeah, on the scale I mean going back upto 3 years when I first joined TA where it seems that now especially people seem to enjoy signing up to just promote things, and it's a shame in a way cos back then there were many good threads but now it's mainly about things that not every1 can join in

I can't say I know of that environment, as I haven't even been here for a year yet. I was reluctant to start posting here at first because I knew of the attitude, of the lack of respect for one another's opinion, but I said screw it, if they want to argue over personal beliefs, I'll just sit back and watch.

I guess I'm more used to it than you are, as it's something that I've, in a sense, been "brought up in."

yeah pretty much...we've all made it that way though...

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Originally posted by Tranc3 I agree with you for the most part. I feel Discogs is more of a blessing than a curse though....although I don't know if that's exactly how you feel about it. By telling someone about discogs, hopefully they'll remember it and go back there for simple questions that really don't require much thouught. However, if someone wants to talk about the background of a certain person, track, set, whatever, then the discogs comments disappear and generally you'll see a semi-intelligent conversation go on. Semi-intelligent because there are always those people that will enter with no intention other than to bring the topic off topic, or to create some sort of flame war.

Yeah, I think discogs is a great resource but at the same time could take the fun of finding out things like who was behind a project etc, so it works both ways

i think you posted this in the wrong forum... i think the COR is filled with as much bullshit and crazies as ever.

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Originally posted by butterfly i think you posted this in the wrong forum... i think the COR is filled with as much bullshit and crazies as ever.

hehe

I posted it here mainly cos I didn't want it to get spammed or closed quickly like it might do in MD, since we're allowed to talk about whats on our mind, I wanted to bring it up & see if I was the only one, COR is mad but then again it's almost like a seperate entity to ta

The demise of the New Releases forum is just conformation of what you're saying here. In the past that forum was used to discuss releases and it would be a great resource for people who actually want to find out about music before they buy it. Nowadays it's just people squabbling over mp3s.

It's a sorry state of affairs, but it isn't the end of the world. I might need to start campaigning to get it sorted...

well i do agree with you however if you compare the size that TA was and now is, you are bound to get the double amount of idiots..also back in the day it wasnt an issue discussing an mp3..someone would talk about a track got sent to them by AG and people would follow in the conversation and someone would post a link...now its how dare you talk about a track that you dont own..if you talk about a track you have to post the release date,the record lable, how much it weighs haha...people dont talk freely anymore..as much as i hate to admit it but the RIAA won..we are scared to talk..

yeah

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Originally posted by Fundamental The demise of the New Releases forum is just conformation of what you're saying here. In the past that forum was used to discuss releases and it would be a great resource for people who actually want to find out about music before they buy it. Nowadays it's just people squabbling over mp3s. It's a sorry state of affairs, but it isn't the end of the world. I might need to start campaigning to get it sorted...

Perfect example. I honestly don't even check the New Releases section anymore because it's always someone blowing their load over some mp3 they downloaded or some tune they heard on ASOT.

MD isn't as bad, but a good amount of threads are the same thing over and over. Threads die quick with no real discussion, because everything turns into a flame before it hits page 2.

I'm not going to do anything about it, so I can't really comment, but those are just my observations.

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Originally posted by hadi ****** a lot of the "older" ta's who might have a lot of knowledge might be fedup with the save topics over and over when the forum most likely already has the answers but the new users do not care or know to search for.

I can't agree with you more on that topic. What is the use of beating a dead horse? That is how I feel and why you rarely see my name pop up in threads anymore. Ian is right about threads being spammed. Even my home area of the midwest is spammed by posters that only talk about only upcoming events and never contribute to the better half of the forum. The same goes for other areas on TA. Ive seen people promoting across the board (ie in the COR then the MD then numerous local forums).

Its starting to feel like my email account that Ive had for 4 years.

There is a ton of crap and then occasionally there is something worthwhile. Music is music and is defined by your personal taste. It drives me insane to listen/read about people complaining about artists, genres of sound etc etc. I guess what my post is starting to do is restate what Hadi said. So I will go ahead and say that I agree with what you said 100% and I cant say it any better.

look at the aus forums - 90% of all threads are promotional

I agree with you totally, and therefore I'd like to take this opportunity to promote my...

















Seriously, though, you hit it spot on.

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It's a sorry state of affairs, but it isn't the end of the world. I might need to start campaigning to get it sorted...

I tried it, didn't work. I just got flooded with "1 4M 1337 N w1ll p0st w0tevAr 1 wAnT u H0m0!!11".

im with u there sherlock ian :P

thats the truth!!!

is this a bad thing?

wouldn't it be cool if a large number of famous djs in the next 5/10 years started off on ta?

i think so.

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Originally posted by BTG is this a bad thing? wouldn't it be cool if a large number of famous djs in the next 5/10 years started off on ta? i think so.

got a point there

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Originally posted by BTG is this a bad thing? wouldn't it be cool if a large number of famous djs in the next 5/10 years started off on ta? i think so.

Yes, but the harsh reality is that 1 out of 100 DJ's who start promoting themselves here get anywhere. Anyone can get a spot on an obscure webradio these days, yet everyone who gets a spot thinks they're a superstar DJ already... even if the only listeners are his mum and dad.

That's basically why I rarely visit those forums these days. It's been pretty bad for quite some time now, and it's only getting worse.

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Originally posted by hadi ****** Ideas New Forum Ideas New Unreleased Tracks Discussion Artists Information Forum Internet Radio Promotion Mods More Mods: Mods also have lives too and cannot moderate the forums all day long as they have other stuff to do. I would mod as i do spend considerable time on the forums and such and i think i know the rules well enough to help out with that I know mods cannot be too strict, but usually public examples of people do not work as well as perhaps a private message asking a user to correct something he has been doing in a polite pm without trying to prove that you (the mod) is the boss and have a powertrip or whatever i have more ideas, just cant remember them right now, but yea, i hope some of them can be considered -Hadi

I honestly agree with you totally there, i've been pushing for a radio forum for a long time to remove those posts, but maybe it is time that TA evolved further, it won't bring it back to how it was, but it will at least make it more tolerable.

Thanks so far to everyone who agrees with me also, nice to know I'm not the only one

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yes, but the harsh reality is that 1 out of 100 DJ's who start promoting themselves here get anywhere. Anyone can get a spot on an obscure webradio these days, yet everyone who gets a spot thinks they're a superstar DJ already... even if the only listeners are his mum and dad.

and add to that attitude. There are a few people who've been signed after starting out here and they just don't use the place anymore unless it's for themselves to promote further, and some of them have attitudes that are awful compared to well established producers & dj's who I have a lot of contact with and are genuinely nice people

There are people who join and leave here because of the way most people are allowed to throw flames around these forums. Personally I don't care really, since there are plenty of other places on the internet that would cater to their idea that forums must be an internet version of Oz minus the wicked witch.

That said, these are just internet forums and you're a fool if you take what someone who probably lives thousands of miles away says literally.

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