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Posted by djbruuen on Sep-29-2004 00:02:

turntable question

how important is the ability to change the tempo without changing the pitch???

i was looking at turntables numark tt200 and stanton str8-80

the str8-80 can do this feature, but the numarks are a bit cheaper and don't do this...i was wondering for a dj who plays trance/techno/house with a little hip hop, how big of a deal this feature is to you???

also, don't get into a buy technics 1200's plz. i've done my research and have my budget...so i'm trying to get the best for my money...


Posted by beats and beeps on Sep-29-2004 00:05:

Not very important.


Posted by 3xx3r7 on Sep-29-2004 00:19:

Technics IS best for your money. Or Stanton ST/Str8-150. Solid decks, if you wanna be different.


Posted by beats and beeps on Sep-29-2004 00:43:

I <3 Vestax PDX
(even though it looks bad)


Posted by Cheetah86 on Sep-29-2004 00:46:

I have TTX1's which have this feature(key lock) and I never used it. I've played around with it a few times and it seems to make the bass drum sound chopped up(this might be only in trance, and it might be different in a genre where the bass drum isn't as "clicky", such as breaks or hip hop). I have heard that the TT-200's are good decks for their price though, so if I was on a limited budget I'd probably go for them.


Posted by Inertia on Sep-29-2004 01:15:

no turntable i've seen has ever had this function work properly. it's sort of making analog try to act digital. the only good key lock/master tempo/bla bla feature i've seen comes in Pioneer CDJ-800s/1000s. in turntables, it normally just makes things sound choppy.


Posted by tu_face on Sep-30-2004 14:53:

its very hard to make analogue sound do digital things, which is why its always crap..

i think the best deck for the money at the moment is the vestax pdx2000. since the mk2 pro came out they have dropped in price quite a lot and are now under �300 each! they are fantastic decks (i am the proud owner of a pair) and i love using them more than any technics deck i have used, and i have used them all. they are very well built, and you will find it hard to make them skip at all. also, the ultrapitch is the best of its kind on the market, allowing +/-10% accuracy, even when the ultrapitch is at +50%. other decks have to be either +/-10%, 25% 50% etc etc and just don't have the pitch fader accuracy to make it useful.

straight arms though, so make sure you get decent carts


Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-01-2004 16:32:

It's not important, and as Tu face said it never works properly.

Just learn the key/pitch of your records and you don't need this function. It's just a gimmick to sell a not so special deck.

Technics or Vestax decks are good. I prefer Technics but it's a question of taste. Although I will always defend Vestax products as they do make good stuff even if it's more geared towards the turntablist industry on the whole.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by tu_face on Oct-02-2004 08:49:

i also like technics decks, there is just a couple of snots i dont like about it, and begrudge paying so much for what i think is a not-as-good-as-the-vestax-which-is-�100-less deck


Posted by 3xx3r7 on Oct-02-2004 22:41:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
i also like technics decks, there is just a couple of snots i dont like about it, and begrudge paying so much for what i think is a not-as-good-as-the-vestax-which-is-�100-less deck


People usually get them used. 10 year old Technics TT is as good as new one.


Posted by 3xx3r7 on Oct-02-2004 22:44:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
also, the ultrapitch is the best of its kind on the market, allowing +/-10% accuracy, even when the ultrapitch is at +50%.


You don't need anything more than +/-8%. What, are you planning to mix trance with happy hardcore? lol


Posted by Cosmic Realm on Oct-03-2004 08:45:

quote:
Originally posted by 3xx3r7
You don't need anything more than +/-8%. What, are you planning to mix trance with happy hardcore? lol


no i use my 10% pitch ablity a lot... mixing 4 Strings - Into The Night [Take me Away] (Gabriel & Dresden 6 Deep Dubmix) with like Pulser - My Religion... the Gabriel & Dresden mix is very very slow... and i usually spinn at about 143 or so its not at 10% but its up there its about a little past 8% but if i didnt have 8% i would have to either 1) keep speeding it up with my figer of slow down the other track


Posted by tu_face on Oct-03-2004 11:22:

quote:
Originally posted by 3xx3r7
You don't need anything more than +/-8%. What, are you planning to mix trance with happy hardcore? lol


i don't play trance, i play techno. with techno, generally it doesn't matter at what pitch (within reason) you play certain records, they will still sound good, especially in a mash-up. obviously there are faster tracks and slower tracks, so i like the flexibility of not having to worry about whether or not a tune will go fast enough or slow enough.


Posted by 3xx3r7 on Oct-05-2004 02:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Realm
no i use my 10% pitch ablity a lot... mixing 4 Strings - Into The Night [Take me Away] (Gabriel & Dresden 6 Deep Dubmix) with like Pulser - My Religion... the Gabriel & Dresden mix is very very slow... and i usually spinn at about 143 or so its not at 10% but its up there its about a little past 8% but if i didnt have 8% i would have to either 1) keep speeding it up with my figer of slow down the other track


Well, if one tune is at really low BPM and other one is at really fast BPM, I would guess that mixing them would sound like shite, 'cause one tune gonna play too fast or other tune gonna play too slow.


Posted by tu_face on Oct-05-2004 08:43:

i have a friend and he bought his tech's. now he's pissed off because some of his breaks records won't go fast enough to mix with his other breaks records. i just sit there with a smug grin on my face, i don't need to say a word.

even with trance, there are some seriously slow tracks that just shouldn't be that slow (for example, the armin remix of rapture), and they even sound better faster. flexibility is always a key factor.



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