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Ichiro Suzuki

258 hits and counting... That really was a record that everyone ignored. No one ever thought about it until someone came close. Ichiro finally did it tonite. Congratulations to him! He's the only player that I think has a legitimate shot at 56 straight games with a hit and one of the two players I think that can bat over .400, the other being Barry Bonds. Anyway, very good job by Ichiro. Glad it was done by him.

He's a great hitter, but I believe over 200 of his hits are singles. His OBP is less than some of the MVP candidates and with the hits record you'd think he'd be closer to .400. A great record, but over blown if you ask me. Also, too bad he's on a shitty team.

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Originally posted by Omegasox He's a great hitter, but I believe over 200 of his hits are singles. His OBP is less than some of the MVP candidates and with the hits record you'd think he'd be closer to .400. A great record, but over blown if you ask me. Also, too bad he's on a shitty team.

Definitely not overblown. Sure, most of his hits are singles... when he tried to hit for power early in the year, he batted .252. He's could probably hit 20 home runs a year, but he'd only bat .260 with a low obp. No one has come close in a LONG time so it is definitely an amazing record. And the Mariner's were quite good a few years ago.

the guy stole bases who cares if they werent doubles and triples.

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI the guy stole bases who cares if they werent doubles and triples.

This is the hits record... not stolen bases.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 This is the hits record... not stolen bases.

haha duh
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I was replying to this guy

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Originally posted by Omegasox He's a great hitter, but I believe over 200 of his hits are singles. His OBP is less than some of the MVP candidates and with the hits record you'd think he'd be closer to .400. A great record, but over blown if you ask me. Also, too bad he's on a shitty team.

Ichiro stole 35 bases this year so who cares if they werent doubles and triples, he eventually made them stealing.Is 35 a great amount of SB's? not compared to Podesnick , crawford etc.. but its still alot.
your right ichiro didnt do much other than the record this year,but this hits record is respectable.

only 7 other guys have a higher OBP Bonds would win that no matter what 2nd Helton Is the complete package hitting wise.Ichiro has a higher OBP than 4 MVP candidates Rolen Sheffield , Ramirez and Pujols
Ichiro also leads the MLB with a .373 AVG

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI haha duh ................ I was replying to this guy Ichiro stole 35 bases this year so who cares if they werent doubles and triples, he eventually made them stealing.Is 35 a great amount of SB's? not compared to Podesnick , crawford etc.. but its still alot. your right ichiro didnt do much other than the record this year,but this hits record is respectable. only 7 other guys have a higher OBP Bonds would win that no matter what 2nd Helton Is the complete package hitting wise.Ichiro has a higher OBP than 4 MVP candidates Rolen Sheffield , Ramirez and Pujols Ichiro also leads the MLB with a .373 AVG

Haha! My mistake.

And yes, I agree with everything you've said. I wouldn't care if EVERY one of his 259 hits were bunt singles. It's a crazy record that no one has come close to until now.

Wow, what makes it more surprising and astounding is that an asian player broke it. Ichiro should be in the MLB's Hall of Fame.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity Wow, what makes it more surprising and astounding is that an asian player broke it. Ichiro should be in the MLB's Hall of Fame.

Not quite yet. He's only played for 4 seasons so far. However, if he could keep this up for another 5 or 6 seasons, he needs to make it into the HoF. He is a tremendous ballplayer.

He is a fundamentally sound player ...awsome outfielder too. WIth a lot of these Japanese players are sometimes better sounded players then most american players because they arnt swinging for the homers every time there at bat. For someone to say this is overrated because its mostly singles is stupid i rather have a single then a strike out simple as that. with him breaking the hits record and have a 370ba u know damn sure his base percentage is very high that gives the team a chance to score everytime.

It's a great individual feat, but his team is still the third worst in the majors. The reason I said most of his hits are singles is because a lot of players could poke a blooper outside of the infield but they are looking for extra base hits to help their team. I'm not taking anything away from him, because as someone said he can move to 2nd or 3rd based on his speed alone. Nonetheless, he barely broke 100 runs, which isn't in the top 25 of the MLB.

Baseball is still a team game, so I just don't get overly excited for individual records. Sorry if you all feel different, just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Nou People seem to forgot that he played at nearly the same level for 9 years in Japan, I have no doubt that he will continue to play just as well in the US. He is the Mariners greatest asset at this point, with the piss poor season we had this year. This year was the only under performing year for the M's, really. 116 wins in 2001, 90+ games the last two years. This year was a fluke, bad moves by the people upstairs. He has had 100+ runs for all four seasons he has played here as well. It is a team sport, but you have to look at the rest of the team as well, not just Ichiro's performance, its not as if he was hurting the team by only getting singles, our guys couldnt even get singles! So really its amazing that he performed so well in that atmosphere. Personally I think he is the best player in baseball at the moment, he is consistantly at the top of his game and he plays the fundimentals.

I would definitely not consider him the top player in baseball. Heck, I wouldn't consider him among the top players in baseball. He'd a great player, yes. An amazing player. But he is no where near the Manny Ramirez', Vladimir Guerrero's, Albert Pujols', and Todd Helton's of the world. I didn't even mention Barry Bonds because even those 4 guys don't come close to Barry.

As for the Japan stats of Ichiro... I really don't consider the two leagues equal. If they were, than Tuffy Rhodes would not be one of the best players in Japan. Hideki Matsui would be belting 50+ homers over hear and Kaz Matsui would be batting .300 with 25+ home runs. The leagues aren't equal, so I don't know if the HoF peeps will take that into consideration. So he'll have to keep this up for a few more years before being considered a 'sure-thing' hall of famer. He definitely could do it though, in my eyes.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 I would definitely not consider him the top player in baseball. Heck, I wouldn't consider him among the top players in baseball. He'd a great player, yes. An amazing player. But he is no where near the Manny Ramirez', Vladimir Guerrero's, Albert Pujols', and Todd Helton's of the world. I didn't even mention Barry Bonds because even those 4 guys don't come close to Barry. As for the Japan stats of Ichiro... I really don't consider the two leagues equal. If they were, than Tuffy Rhodes would not be one of the best players in Japan. Hideki Matsui would be belting 50+ homers over hear and Kaz Matsui would be batting .300 with 25+ home runs. The leagues aren't equal, so I don't know if the HoF peeps will take that into consideration. So he'll have to keep this up for a few more years before being considered a 'sure-thing' hall of famer. He definitely could do it though, in my eyes.

So his Glove doesn't set him apart? His field performance is astounding. That man can gun the ball straight to home plate from right field w.o a bounce. That sets him apart as impressive in it's own right. He went something around 56 games in a row without striking out. But no, Barry Bonds does that all the time right?

Fuck the home run. A sound hitting team and defensive team will outprform a team that relys on the home run to get points on the board. The singles, doubles and good base running will get you the points consistantly, while homeruns are few and hard to come by. At least they used to be.

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Originally posted by getfoul So his Glove doesn't set him apart? His field performance is astounding. That man can gun the ball straight to home plate from right field w.o a bounce. That sets him apart as impressive in it's own right. He went something around 56 games in a row without striking out. But no, Barry Bonds does that all the time right? Fuck the home run. A sound hitting team and defensive team will outprform a team that relys on the home run to get points on the board. The singles, doubles and good base running will get you the points consistantly, while homeruns are few and hard to come by. At least they used to be.

No one in the game of baseball today compares to Barry Bonds. He is the best right now and, possibly, of all time. Comparing anyone in MLB today is pointless. Of course good baserunning and defense is part of the equation of a winning team. And that's why there are 8 (EIGHT) guys out there. Barry Bonds doesn't need to be an amazing defensive Left Fielder (and at age 40, would you expect him to be? also, he WAS one of the best Left Fielders in baseball in his younger days) because you have Marquis Grissom in CF. Not every player has to be amazing both offensively and defensively. If there were a fantasy draft today and you had to pick between Ichiro or Bonds, who would you pick? Let's make it so that it's a one season deal, so no saying you'd pick Ichiro cause he's younger.

Also, a sound hitting team will outperform a team that relies on the homerun? Ummm... say hello to the Yankees and Redsox. Last time I checked, they were both homerun hitting ball clubs and are probably the two best teams in the Major Leagues.

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Originally posted by Nou I dont count power hitters as being the top, look at SF, they didnt make it to the play offs... not saying that determines a teams ability, but you would think that someone that can score that many runs on their power would push their team into the play offs. Ichiro is the best atm for his over all performance at bat and on the field, he is on top of his game in each of those parts, and to be on top of it for 4 years now, thats saying something.

You really can't be serious.

Bonds OPS = 1.400+
Ichiro OPS = .800+

Bonds is almost doubling the offensive output of Ichiro. And... last time I checked, Barry Bonds was batting only .365. What makes Ichiro so much better? The fact that he's only batting 7 or 8 points higher than Barry Bonds. Ichiro doesn't even compare to Albert Pujols or Todd Helton or Manny Ramirez... and you're comparing him to Barry Bonds? When was the last time you've watched Barry Bonds? Wow... Barry Bonds had the single greatest season in baseball history this year. No one has ever done what he has done this year and nobody even realizes it. Check it out when you get a chance... No one has ever been on base over 60% of the time. Guess what? Bonds was. Bonds is still belting homers every 6 at bats. He had more homeruns than he's struck out. He has an absurd strikeout to walk ratio. He, last time I checked which was a month or two ago, almost has more extra base hits than he has SWUNG AND MISSED AT A PITCH. That is incredible. Barry Bonds is the best hitter in baseball. And no one, not even your Ichiro comes close to comparing. Even if Ichiro was the greatest defensive RF in baseball histroy, he would still not be more valuable to his team than Bonds is. Stick Bonds on the Mariners and Ichiro on the Giants and I bet the standings in the AL and NL West would be completely different.

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Originally posted by Nou I dont contest that Bonds had an awesome season this year but, Im saying Ichiro is the better compared to Bonds or those others, on all their stats over the last four years, and thats something comparing a veteran in Bonds, to a relative rookie in Ichiro. But thats just what I think.

I'm sorry, but no one can even remotely compare to Bonds since 2000. Can you even imagine the impact he would have if he had someone even half decent behind him so they would have to pitch to him? He produces MVP numbers with maybe one good pitch to hit each game. Everything else is outside of the zone. Ramirez puts up comparable numbers, but he has another MVP candidate behind him.

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Originally posted by Omegasox I'm sorry, but no one can even remotely compare to Bonds since 2000. Can you even imagine the impact he would have if he had someone even half decent behind him so they would have to pitch to him? He produces MVP numbers with maybe one good pitch to hit each game. Everything else is outside of the zone. Ramirez puts up comparable numbers, but he has another MVP candidate behind him.

Exactly. Ichiro is great, do not get me wrong. I've loved him since he came into the league. He actually got me interested in Japanese baseball, and I check periodically to see who could be the next 'Ichiro' or 'Hideki' to come over.

But Bonds... Bonds has been incredible. Even before his "breakout" season in 2001, he was probably one of the best players in baseball history. He's never struck out more than 100 times, and for a power hitter, that is amazing. He was always a great defensive LF, and if I'm not mistaken he has one a gold glove.

Like Omega said, since 2000, no one can compare to Bonds. He has likely had the greatest 5 years in the history of baseball. Ichiro has been great since coming into the league, but no where near Bonds.

Okay, I was a geek and I took the time out to compare stats. One is Ichiro from age 27, 2001, till age 30, 2004. The other is Barry Bonds. Not Barry Bonds from 2001 till 2004, but from 1991 till 1994, when Barry Bonds was age 27 - 30. Who is the better player?



I believe it would be the 27 - 30 year old Bonds. So to compare Ichiro to the now God-like Bonds is just absurd. Also, just a side note about those stats, 1994 was the year of the strike, so it was cut short. Many people have said that, had the year finished, Bonds could possibly have hit 61 HRs that year. The month before the strike, Bonds had gotten mega-hot, so it could have happened... just a note.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 ... He was always a great defensive LF, and if I'm not mistaken he has one a gold glove. ...

More like eight Gold Gloves!!!

But nonetheless, Ichiro is a great player!

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Originally posted by Disney More like eight Gold Gloves!!! But nonetheless, Ichiro is a great player!

Well, there ya go. And for Barry to win 8 GG's over the CFs and RFs in he league at the time, that's gotta say something.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Well, there ya go. And for Barry to win 8 GG's over the CFs and RFs in he league at the time, that's gotta say something.

Yep, but he'll not be remembered much for his defensive qualities

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Originally posted by Nou Doubt it, one person does not make the team, Bonds would have had the same sort of season, which is great, Im not arguing, but you look at how the rest of the M's did and our pitching sucked (remember, its all good when your scoring runs, but if your starters and bullpen cant keep the other team down its pointless). Then again, Bond hasnt faced a majority of the American League pitchers, same with Ichiro not having faced a majority, even less than Bonds knows in the AL, so that would be a factor. I dont contest that Bonds had an awesome season this year but, Im saying Ichiro is the better compared to Bonds or those others, on all their stats over the last four years, and thats something comparing a veteran in Bonds, to a relative rookie in Ichiro. But thats just what I think.

you're out of your fucking mind even comparing bonds to ichiro

you're saying that ichiro's stats over the past 4 years were better than bonds?

2001: Bonds: 73 Hr, 137 RBI, .328 BA, 510 OBP, .863 Slugging
2002: Bonds: 46 Hr, 110 RBI, .370 BA, 582 OBP, .799 Slugging
2003: Bonds: 45 HR, 90 RBI, .341 BA, 529 OBP, .749 Slugging
2004: Bonds: 45 HR, 101 RBI, .362 BA, 609 OBP, .812 Slugging

i'm not even going to put ichiro's numbers up because there is absolutely no point doing it, out of the past four years only two of those years, 2001 and 2004 did ichiro have great years...

there is no one in baseball even at bonds' level, no one in baseball is as feared as bonds nor does anyone in baseball change the entire game as much as baseball...do you even watch baseball? AND HE'S 40 YEARS OLD...ichiro's great as well with his ability to hit any pitch, his great arm and defense but he does not even come close to bonds...don't be an idiot

Exactly. Even Bonds at the same age as Ichiro was way better than Ichiro. People tend to forget that Bonds was still a ridiculous player before he became Babe Ruth. It's not like Desi Relaford is all of a sudden belting a home run every 6 at-bats and having OBP of .500 +. Bonds was always great... but now he is immortal.

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