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Several of Kerry's lies during the debate
This is lifted from the website "chronwatch" www.chronwatch.com
PBS moderator Jim Lehrer's asserted to Kerry ''You've repeatedly accused President Bush--not here tonight, but elsewhere before--of not telling the truth about Iraq, essentially of lying to the American people about Iraq,'' and Kerry responded with ''Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word, as you did just then. And I try not to. I've been--but I'll nevertheless tell you that I think he has not been candid with the American people. And I'll tell you exactly how.''
Of course, this is not only a lie on Senator Kerry's part, but in my opinion, part and parcel of how Kerry relies on the public having short memories and even shorter attention spans, in regard to his history of saying nearly anything that is politically expedient.
At a John Kerry campaign event on 9/20/03 in Claremont, New Hampshire, Kerry said ''This administration has lied to us. They have misled us.'' Also in New Hampshire on 12/8/03, Kerry is quoted by the Boston Globe as saying that Bush ''lied'' about his reasons for going to war with Iraq. (www.boston.com/news/politics/presid...h_expectations/)
Kerry--and I will be generous here--misstated many ''facts'' during the debate. Here are just a few of the highlights:
* Kerry said that the New York City subway system was shut down during the Republican National Convention, due to the Bush administration not properly funding the Department of Homeland Security and vital infrastructure projects. This is false, as the subway system (MTA) was up and running the entire time, as were all New York City tunnels and bridges. Only Penn Station was shut down for a very short period of time. (www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/29512.htm)
* Kerry stated that, specifically, the war in Iraq has cost some 200 billion dollars to date. This is false. Though the Congress has budgeted 200 billion in war spending, only 120 billion of it has gone directly for the Iraq war. The rest is for the war in Afghanistan, and economic and reconstruction aid for both countries.
(www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...ml?id=110005689)
* Kerry accused Bush of ''diverting forces from under General Tommy Franks from Afghanistan before the Congress even approved it to begin to prepare to go to war in Iraq.'' This is false; retired General Tommy Franks said: ''That's absolutely incorrect.''
(www.theunionleader.com/articles_sho...l?article=44763)
This guy just doesn't stop!
is this thread actually.... against john kerry?
if so, then i have to say just one thing...
greatest. thread. evar.
so kerry is the only one in the wrong here? perhaps just so because Bush's reliance on shortterm memory spans to about 3.5 years - when he completely shifted his goals as a president?
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| Originally posted by biznology so kerry is the only one in the wrong here? perhaps just so because Bush's reliance on shortterm memory spans to about 3.5 years - when he completely shifted his goals as a president? |
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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 03, 2004 14:05:38 ET XXXXX DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET? Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states: "No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..." So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]? What did Kerry place on the podium? Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet. [A tight zoom analysis of the Boston.Com feed shows Kerry pulling a mysterious item his jacket. Kerry appears to unfold some sort of paper seconds later, at his podium.] A top Kerry campaign source explained to the DRUDGE REPORT late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract. "Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls." When pressed on the fact that even brandishing a pen from his jacket would have violated debate rules, the Kerry staffer laughed, adding, "See you at the inauguration, Drudge". Developing... |
ahahahah.... i love you all. finally some kerry hate on these boards
Politicians are meant to lie to the people. The point is getting away with them. The masses will accept anything you give them, they, for the most part, don't care what the president does. They go out to vote for the person who lies less, which is a negative aspect about politics because they don't learn much about the candidates' purposes/agendas/intentions/etc. So who do you vote for? The person that is the smartest at keeping the darkest secrets of the country from you. 
Re: Several of Kerry's lies during the debate
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| Originally posted by drewfactor This guy just doesn't stop! |
Re: Several of Kerry's lies during the debate
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| Originally posted by drewfactor This guy just doesn't stop! |
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Bush and Kerry both have problems with the facts at their meeting in Coral Gables October 1, 2004 Modified: October 1, 2004 eMail to a friend Printer Friendly Version Summary In the first of three scheduled debates between Bush and Kerry both candidates sometimes departed from the facts. Bush glossed over significant problems with US reconstruction efforts in Iraq when he claimed that the US is "spending money" and that 100,000 Iraqi security forces have been trained. And Kerry overstated the case when he said Bush allowed Osama bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora by "outsourcing" fighting to Afghans. Bush misquoted Kerry, distorting his position on withdrawing troops from Iraq. And Kerry said the Iraq war has cost $200 billion, when the cost so far is actually just over $120 billion. Analysis Bush gave a rosy picture of progress in Iraq, glossing over significant problems with reconstruction contracts and training of Iraqi security forces. "Spending Reconstruction Money" Bush: (Referring to Iraq) There will be elections in January. We're spending reconstruction money. And our alliance is strong. Bush's "Reconstruction" & "100,000 trained now" Bush cited as a sign of progress in Iraq that the US is "spending reconstruction money," when in fact the slow pace of spending has become a major problem for US officials. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage testified to a House Appropriations subcommittee Sept. 24 that only $1.2 billion in reconstruction money had actually been spent so far, out of the total of $18 billion that was appropriated almost a year earlier in "emergency" funds for Iraq and Afghanistan. "100,000 trained now" Bush: Let me first tell you that the best way for Iraq to be safe and secure is for Iraqi citizens to be trained to do the job. And that's what we're doing. We've got 100,000 trained now, 125,000 by the end of this year, 200,000 by the end of next year. That is the best way. Bush: There are 100,000 troops trained, police, guard, special units, border patrol. There's going to be 125,000 trained by the end of this year. Yes, we're getting the job done. It's hard work. Bush also said "100,000 troops" and other Iraqi security personnel have been trained to date. That's the official figure, but the President failed to mention that many trainees have received nothing more than a three-week course in police procedures -- what Armitage referred to as "shake-and-bake" forces. Only 8,000 of the total are police who have received a full eight-week course of training, Armitage told the House: Armitage: It's 100,000 total security forces, and I don't want anyone to make the mistake that security force equals soldier -- could be policemen, and it could be the eight-week trained policemen, of which there are a little over 8,000, or it could be what I refer to as the shake-and-bake three-week police force, which are previous policemen who are now given a three-weeks course. So it's a mixed bag , but there are about 100,000 total security forces. Tora Bora "Outsourcing" "Outsourcing" Osama's Capture Kerry: I would not take my eye off of the goal: Osama bin Laden. Unfortunately, he escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. We had him surrounded. But we didn't use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go kill him. The president relied on Afghan warlords and he outsourced that job too. That's wrong. Kerry said U.S. forces allowed Osama bin Laden to escape in 2001 during the battle at Tora Bora in Afghanistan because the administration "outsourced" fighting to Afghan "warlords." Actually, it's never been clear whether bin Laden actually was at Tora Bora. It is true that military leaders strongly suspected bin Laden was there, and it is also true that the Pentagon relied heavily on Afghan forces to take on much of the fighting at Tora Bora in an effort to reduce US casualties. But Kerry overstates the case by stating flatly that "we had him surrounded." Out of Iraq in 6 Months? Bush: I know putting artificial deadlines won't work. My opponent at one time said, "Well, get me elected, I'll have them out of there in six months." You can't do that and expect to win the war on terror. -0- Kerry: The time line that I've set out -- and again, I want to correct the president, because he's misled again this evening on what I've said. I didn't say I would bring troops out in six months. I said, if we do the things that I've set out and we are successful, we could begin to draw the troops down in six months. Bush's False Quote The President misquoted Kerry's position on how quickly troops might be withdrawn from Iraq. Bush claimed Kerry once said "I'll have them out of there in six months," which is false. Kerry complained, "he's misled us again." What Kerry actually said was that he believed he could "significantly reduce" US troop levels in Iraq within six months of taking office -- not at all the same thing as having all troops "out of there." Kerry's remark was on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition" Aug 6, in an interview with Steve Inskeep: Kerry: I believe that within a year from now, we could significantly reduce American forces in Iraq, and that's my plan. I believe we can. Q: Within a year from right now? Kerry: I believe we can. Absolutely we can. Q: A year from August. Kerry: I believe we can. Absolutely we can reduce the numbers. You bet. Kerry "$200 Billion" Kerry: And so, today, we are 90 percent of the casualties and 90 percent of the cost: $200 billion -- $200 billion that could have been used for health care, for schools, for construction, for prescription drugs for seniors, and it's in Iraq. Kerry's $200 Billion Exaggeration Kerry continued to refer to "the cost" of the Iraq war as $200 billion, when it fact the cost to date is just over $120 billion, according to budget officials. Kerry is counting money that has been appropriated to be spent in the fiscal year that started Friday, Oct. 1. Much of the money Kerry counts has not even been requested formally by the Bush administration, and is only an estimate of what will be sought sometime in the coming year, to be spent later. We've pointed this out before in detail. Al Qaeda The President said twice that "75 percent" of al Qaeda leaders have been "brought to justice." But as The Associated Press reported Oct. 1, Bush was referring to the deaths or arrests of 75 percent of bin Laden's network at the time of the September 11 attacks -- not those who are running the terrorist organization today. The AP also reported that the CIA said earlier in the year two-thirds of those leaders are gone; at his acceptance speech in September, Bush increased his count to three-fourths based on unreleased intelligence data. Furthermore, the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies reported May 25 that the occupation of Iraq has helped al Qaeda recruit more members. The institute quoted "conservative" intelligence estimates as saying that al Qaeda has 18,000 potential operatives and is present in more than 60 countries. Other Factual Stumbles Bush said that 10 million people had registered to vote in the coming presidential election in Afghanistan, which he called a "phenomenal statistic." But that's a disputed figure. Human Rights Watch issued a report Sept. 29 citing "widespread multiple registration of voters." It said the 10 million figure is probably inflated. Bush said he has increased spending on curbing nuclear proliferation by "about 35 percent" since he took office. But The Washington Post reported Oct. 1 that Bush proposed a 13 percent cut in his first budget as President -- about $116 million. Much of the increases since then have been added by Congress, the Post reported. The Post also said Kerry misspoke when he asserted that Bush is spending "hundreds of millions of dollars to research bunker-busting nuclear weapons" when in fact the budget for research on that weapon is less that $35 million. The Post said the administration has set aside nearly $500 million for future budgets -- but that's contingent on Congress approving production of such a weapon. The AP noted that Kerry misspoke when he said "we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the (Iraq) border every single day, and they're blowing people up." Kerry meant terrorists were crossing the border, not nuclear weapons. The AP also caught Kerry's mistake when he referred to looking at KGB records in Treblinka Square in a visit to Russia. Treblinka was a Nazi death camp. Kerry meant Lubyanka Square. The New York Post noted that Kerry was mistaken when he said "they had to close the subway in New York when the Republican Convention was there," blaming Bush for not supplying money to fix tunnels and bridges. Actually, New York subways continued to run during the convention. "We did not stop any trains," said Transit Authority spokesman Paul Fleuranges. "I will not guess or opine what he (Kerry) was talking about." And Bush overstated matters when he said "My administration worked with the congress to create the department of homeland security." In fact, Bush opposed creation of the separate department for nearly nine months before turning around and supporting it. http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271 |
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| Originally posted by occrider Yup and neither did Bush ... |
since we're addressing several of kerry's lies during the debate, don't you think it would be fair to address them all? 
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| The next issue of the day. Kerry the CHEATER! Welcome to notecard gate. Video link: http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov |
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| Originally posted by biznology so kerry is the only one in the wrong here? perhaps just so because Bush's reliance on shortterm memory spans to about 3.5 years - when he completely shifted his goals as a president? |
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| Originally posted by ResonantDrag do you suscribe to a nut case newsletter? or do you find the links yourself? did you notice that bush shook with his right hand? i think he may have had something written on his left palm. he even waved the sharpie he used to write it when he got flustered. i think the real issue surrounding this debate is that bush got owned. sorry your boy wonder is a twit, and kerry made it apparent. there's still enough stupid people out there to re-elect the guy, so save those tears |
one of my favorite parts was when bush interrupted with "i'm trying to keep them on a leash" (referring to his daughters trying to make a joke) and kerry responded "yeah, i've learned not to do that".
but upon seeing the new evidence, thanks occ, i am now fully convinced that kerry was informed by bush ahead of time of the said interruption, kerry wrote his response that he kept hidden in his jacket, and somehow had a mindcontrol device installed by the liberal media to make us believe that bush is a idiot and kerry won the debate.
ooo, i just watched the footage, and if you go to full screen and watch bush's hands, he clearly pulls out a piece of paper and unfolds it onto the podium. damn, he cheated and lost horribly
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2...ever-cheat.html
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| Originally posted by JM shifted? nah, just adjusted for the current issue. many Americans, such as yourself still haven't adjusted yourself, hence your flawed viewpoint. >JM< |
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