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Posted by Cyrus King on Oct-05-2004 05:02:

Rumsfeld doubts Saddam Laden link

Its so funny how even when the administration begins admiting their faults.. youve still got moron yanks believing lies that were admitted to being just that.

LOL

fuckin idiots

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3715396.stm


Posted by hardcore trancer on Oct-05-2004 05:12:

Rumsfeld haha he is da biggest clown of them all, he is in his own little fantasy world fighting terrorists god knows where and he is soo far from what the reality is,he'll probably say the exact bullshit even in 20 yrs from now.

I really think the guy is sick in the head and he has Alzheimer's,since he is always sooooooooooooo faaaaaaaaaraway from reality.


Posted by sensorium on Oct-05-2004 06:52:

Poor Donald Duck, I mean, Rumsfeld. Already giving in to the pressure. Don't lie if you can't get away with it.


Posted by imokruok on Oct-05-2004 12:16:

Mainstream media gets it wrong again.

quote:

No. 990-04 IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 4, 2004 A Statement From Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld

A question I answered today at an appearance before the Council on Foreign Relations regarding ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq regrettably was misunderstood.

I have acknowledged since September 2002 that there were ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

This assessment was based upon points provided to me by then CIA Director George Tenet to describe the CIA's understanding of the Al Qaeda-Iraq relationship.

Today at the Council, I even noted that "when I'm in Washington, I pull out a piece of paper and say 'I don't know, because I'm not in that business, but I'll tell you what the CIA thinks,' and I read it."

The CIA conclusions in that paper, which I discussed in a news conference as far back as September, 2002, note that:

* We do have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qaeda members, including some that have been in Baghdad.

* We have what we consider to be very reliable reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda going back a decade, and of possible chemical and biological agent training.

* We have what we believe to be credible information that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven opportunities in Iraq.

* We have what we consider to be credible evidence that al Qaeda leaders have sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire weapons of mass destruction capabilities.

* We do have one report indicating that Iraq provided unspecified training relating to chemical and/or biological matters for al Qaeda members.

I should also note that the 9/11 Commission report described linkages between Al Qaeda and Iraq as well.


Posted by BadBadNeil on Oct-05-2004 13:47:

dum dum dum and the plot thickens. OH how quickly people are to jump on the anti america bandwagon


Posted by Dupz on Oct-05-2004 14:04:

quote:
Originally posted by BadBadNeil
dum dum dum and the plot thickens. OH how quickly people are to jump on the anti america bandwagon


Well there really isnt any reason why people shouldnt...


Posted by Yoepus on Oct-05-2004 14:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
Well there really isnt any reason why people shouldnt...


ya thats what Akhmad was telling me the other day too...


Posted by BadBadNeil on Oct-05-2004 14:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
Well there really isnt any reason why people shouldnt...


people look for reasons, reasons don't come to them, i can probably find a reason to hate every country on this planet if i look hard enough but why waste my time when i just don't give a damn.


Posted by Dupz on Oct-05-2004 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by BadBadNeil
people look for reasons, reasons don't come to them, i can probably find a reason to hate every country on this planet if i look hard enough but why waste my time when i just don't give a damn.


Couldnt agree with you more, but the difference between you and me... For some reason, I give a damn.

I really wish i didnt though.. ignorance is bliss


Posted by Yoepus on Oct-05-2004 15:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
Couldnt agree with you more, but the difference between you and me... For some reason, I give a damn.

I really wish i didnt though.. ignorance is bliss


But you too can change! No longer will you have to live with damn. You too can be blissfully ignorant.

Just follow these three easy steps:

1) Instead of CNN watch E.

2) When you have the craze for some political debate or thought, go gossip about some celebrity instead.

3) Action Hollywood pwns.


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Oct-05-2004 15:47:

Re: Rumsfeld doubts Saddam Laden link

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Its so funny how even when the administration begins admiting their faults.. youve still got moron yanks believing lies that were admitted to being just that.

LOL

fuckin idiots

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3715396.stm


Rummie the Dummy fits right in with the idiots that occupy the current administration, one bumbling fool after another. Everytime that he opens up his mouth to speak stupidity encapsulates his words, no wonder he is Secretary of Defense and at the helm of the Iraq debacle. I didn't realize that Comical Ali was disguised as Rumsie


Posted by Renegade on Oct-05-2004 16:19:

quote:
Originally typed by Donald Rumsfeld's Secretary
I should also note that the 9/11 Commission report described linkages between Al Qaeda and Iraq as well.


Huh?

quote:
The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jun16.html

Rumsfeld should have stuck by what he said originally - for the first time in a long time he's managed to get an intelligence assessment right and then he spoils it all by going back on his word? There is no solid evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda and this should have been apparent to any right thinking individual for some time.

Also, can some one tell me exactly how this phrase can be "misunderstood"?

quote:
Mr Rumsfeld was asked by a New York audience about connections between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.

"To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two."


Seems pretty straight-forward (and damn accurate) to me.


Posted by occrider on Oct-05-2004 17:06:

Sounds to me like he's sending "mixed messages" to the troops. And I have it, on the authority of the President of the United States, that I cannot expect our troops to continue to do the hard work if they hear mixed messages from Washington, DC.

I like campaign rhetoric.


Posted by sensorium on Oct-05-2004 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by BadBadNeil
dum dum dum and the plot thickens. OH how quickly people are to jump on the anti america bandwagon


Come on man, why is this anti america? We're jus writing about one guy, not the whole country. You have to admit that. A comment that would be anti America would be something like this: "Damn Rumsfeld! What can you expect from a white American who gets nervous whenever he has to talk to the public? Screw all the Americans. Etc." But nobody has said that.

Maybe I'm just too innocent to catch the anti-American sentiment in some posts. Who knows.


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Oct-05-2004 19:20:

quote:
Originally posted by ierxium
Come on man, why is this anti america? We're jus writing about one guy, not the whole country. You have to admit that. A comment that would be anti America would be something like this: "Damn Rumsfeld! What can you expect from a white American who gets nervous whenever he has to talk to the public? Screw all the Americans. Etc." But nobody has said that.

Maybe I'm just too innocent to catch the anti-American sentiment in some posts. Who knows.


Akin to the Kerry flip-flop terminology, the anti-American point has been utilized beyond any credibility anymore in a debate. Yet there are those who persist with it, they hate us for our freedoms and democracy


Posted by Renegade on Oct-05-2004 19:24:

How come criticism of Kerry isn't "anti-American"?


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Oct-05-2004 19:27:

I fucking love Rummy. I swear to God I hope Bush keeps him around if he gets re-elected. Everytime he opens his mouth you know you're in for a treat!


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Oct-05-2004 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I fucking love Rummy. I swear to God I hope Bush keeps him around if he gets re-elected. Everytime he opens his mouth you know you're in for a treat!


And by God rest assured he will keep him. The man should be tested for senility when it comes to the statements he makes on American foreign policy, then yet again his comments must be a known knowns or an known unknown or a unknown unknown, hey he said it

I believe he truly operates on the basis of the Rumsfeldian Philosophy
I give you "A Short Course in Rumsfeldian Philosophy" http://www.gruffducks.com/rumsphil.html


Posted by BadBadNeil on Oct-05-2004 20:20:

quote:
Originally posted by ierxium
Come on man, why is this anti america? We're jus writing about one guy, not the whole country. You have to admit that. A comment that would be anti America would be something like this: "Damn Rumsfeld! What can you expect from a white American who gets nervous whenever he has to talk to the public? Screw all the Americans. Etc." But nobody has said that.

Maybe I'm just too innocent to catch the anti-American sentiment in some posts. Who knows.


quote:

ouve still got moron yanks believing lies that were admitted to being just that.

LOL

fuckin idiots


Theres where the hatin started and it trickled on down as usual.

Hating Bush or Kerry or Rummy isn't anti american, thats just a different point of view like most of the stuff posted in these forums.


Posted by smokeape on Oct-05-2004 23:59:

Well, unless al-Zarquawi had absolutely nothing to do but get involved in Iraqi affairs, I would tend to believe there had to be a previous supportive link in the past between the government and his radical faction. Why else is he and al-Queda in Iraq trying to upset the state of affairs?


[[[smoke]]]


Posted by Renegade on Oct-06-2004 07:54:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Well, unless al-Zarquawi had absolutely nothing to do but get involved in Iraqi affairs, I would tend to believe there had to be a previous supportive link in the past between the government and his radical faction. Why else is he and al-Queda in Iraq trying to upset the state of affairs?


[[[smoke]]]


Funny you should mention that. Hot off the presses:

quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A CIA report has found no conclusive evidence that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein harbored Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which the Bush administration asserted before the invasion of Iraq.


CIA Report Finds No Conclusive Zarqawi-Saddam Link



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