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I dunno about you, but this is pretty impressive to me...

If you haven't heard of Sun.com's project Looking Glass (the 3D Operating System), watch this and tell me you're not impressed by this stuff:

http://webcast-east.sun.com/ramgen/...-1312_01_225.rm

Sun is going to owe Eastman Kodak a whack of cash in a few weeks.

I wonder if any of that technology was used to create this.

Very interesting.

Damn realplayer!

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Sun is going to owe Eastman Kodak a whack of cash in a few weeks. I wonder if any of that technology was used to create this. Very interesting.

what's Eastman Kodak got to do with Sun's Java?

And that's apparently going to be open source OS as well, so... another plus.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Damn realplayer!

+1

Lame.. What they showed offers no benefit as far as usefullness of an OS.

While I'm at it, yes RealPlayer is THE WORST software ever made!

i looked at it with a bunch of senior IT guys at work and everyone laughed at its uselesness....

i mean whats the big deal? just there to awe the geeks.

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Originally posted by malek just there to awe the geeks.

Say "awwwwwwwwww".

Sun / Kodak

Could Kodak Cool Off Java?
Penelope Patsuris, Forbes.com 10.05.04, 11:15 AM ET

NEW YORK - Eastman Kodak is not a name that's synonymous with software, but the photography giant is now at the center of a court case that could be pivotal for that industry.

Late on Oct. 1, a jury found in favor of Kodak (nyse: EK - news - people ) in a dispute in which it alleged that Sun Microsystems (nasdaq: SUNW - news - people ) infringed upon Kodak patents with its Java programming language. Although Sun has said it will appeal the decision, the jury will first hear Kodak's case for damages. It's asking for $1 billion. Even worse: Kodak's claim asks the court to enjoin Sun from using the Java technology pending the case's appeal.

"That would be really draconian," says Amy Landers, a law professor at the University of the Pacific. "Then Sun would have to retool Java."

Sun issued this statement in response to the decision: "Although disappointed by the jury's finding of infringement, we believe that we will be successful in the damages phase of the trial. We hope to reach a decision that will be in the best interest of shareholders, customers and Sun."

A Kodak spokesman said it would also persevere. "We have invested millions across a host of intellectual properties, and we have an obligation to our shareholders to protect that," he said.

This case will likely bounce around the judicial system for years, but it is already raising big and very alarming questions for the software industry. Because Java is a programming language that Sun lets developers essentially use for free, the Kodak/Sun battle could have important implications for the software community as a whole. The message boards are teaming with infuriated technophiles who want to know if Kodak is coming after them next. (So far Kodak has filed suit only against Sun, not individual developers.)

Whether companies should even be able to patent software has been a bone of contention within the legal and technology industries for years. The software code itself is not actually patented--algorithms cannot be patented. Rather, it is a software program's method of operation that falls under patent law, according to Harvard Law professor Jonathan Zittrain.

"Copyright law prevents software from being ripped off wholesale," he says. "But the level of abstraction that is involved in patenting software just doesn't make sense. Software patents are just an employment program for lawyers."

It's a matter of public policy, says Jonathan Eunice, an analyst with the IT research firm Illuminata, based in Nashua, N.H. "The question is, Are software patents doing what they are supposed to do?" he says. "Patent law is supposed to encourage investment and invention, but cases like this aren't doing that."

The European Union is now wrestling with similar matters as it tries to formulate its own software patent policy.

But it's unlikely that U.S. software patents will disappear any time soon, says Stanford University law professor Mark Lemley, if only because software giants like IBM (nyse: IBM - news - people ) and Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) are heavily invested in them.

"We have been patenting software for at least a decade, and there are hundreds of thousands of software patents," he says. "Congress would have to get involved if the issue were to be reconsidered. And the big technology companies have a lot of leverage with Congress."

No doubt the success with which Sun appeals the Kodak case will have a significant impact on how the U.S. government approaches the issue going forward.

Impressive Technology....For people who don't like Real player..Try using Real alternative

software patents are retarded...


what if Kodak wins and asks Sun to stop developping Java?

what are the thousands of developpers supposed to do? stop?

this is stupid.

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Originally posted by jdjd RealPlayer is THE WORST software ever made!

It's the second-worst software ever made.

Number one worst software ever: Adobe Acrobat 6.0

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf It's the second-worst software ever made. Number one worst software ever: Adobe Acrobat 6.0

nah, its ICQ

ICQ... rofl.

3 words... Windows... Millenium... Edition.

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Originally posted by Funkyfun Impressive Technology....For people who don't like Real player..Try using Real alternative

I am, but it won't render the file.

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Originally posted by Nemireck ICQ... rofl. 3 words... Windows... Millenium... Edition.

hahahaa! yep...

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I am, but it won't render the file.

Real Alternative worked for me (just liked Hookd-on-foniks did).

i watched and i must have been bored!

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Originally posted by malek i looked at it with a bunch of senior IT guys at work and everyone laughed at its uselesness.... i mean whats the big deal? just there to awe the geeks.

Anyone who knows anything about software developmen will appreciate this. The graphical stuff is just an add on. the main benefits would be the open ended platform. Its an alternative to windows and anyone administering a microsoft env can tell you about the security concerns.

Looking forward to it.

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Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew Anyone who knows anything about software developmen will appreciate this. The graphical stuff is just an add on. the main benefits would be the open ended platform. Its an alternative to windows and anyone administering a microsoft env can tell you about the security concerns. Looking forward to it.

OK, all they showed was gimmicky crap. How do you know that this OS will be more secure than Windows? I agree they should work on security, but instead these guys are spending their time making their OS "3-D" which is completely useless.

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Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew Anyone who knows anything about software developmen will appreciate this. The graphical stuff is just an add on. the main benefits would be the open ended platform. Its an alternative to windows and anyone administering a microsoft env can tell you about the security concerns. Looking forward to it.

yeah seriously, whats the relation of 3D icons and security??? am I missing something ?

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Originally posted by jdjd OK, all they showed was gimmicky crap. How do you know that this OS will be more secure than Windows? I agree they should work on security, but instead these guys are spending their time making their OS "3-D" which is completely useless.

It'll be more secure because :

1) It's open source
2) It's based on unix OS

Stop rendering desicion on how useless this product will be. It's in development stage for gods sake. I wonder if some of you guys can graspe the concept of having a vision which is what this project is about. It's not something you are likely to see for a few years, so it's purpose at the moment is basically to wet the appetite for developers and get them thinking about the future of OS. To hear you guys say it's useless just makes me wonder if you've ever actually part taken in a creative, innovative design venture before. Something tells me you haven't.

Lets give the Sun development team some credit here. I'm almost 99.99% sure they are more intelligent then most of us here.

I for one am quite impressed with this project and hope they can showcase some of this new systems features in the years to come.

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i looked at it with a bunch of senior IT guys at work and everyone laughed at its uselesness.... i mean whats the big deal? just there to awe the geeks.

Definition of geeks: A bunch of IT guys who stand around looking at a software in development stage and then laugh about how useless it is, without understanding what the project is all about.


IT guys always laugh at Developers, it's about the only thing they can do...IT is for people who can't program. IT guys make websites with dreamweaver...Developers make dreamweaver.



Additional info for those who actually 'care' about development.


Sun representatives describe Project Looking Glass will usher in the next era in desktop operating systems.

"We first started toying with the concept of a true 3D desktop operating system enhancement tool, or skin, a couple of years ago," says Craig Nicholas, technical support engineer at Sun. "Although Project Looking Glass has been under development in-house for some time, we feel that, if it is really to succeed, we need to have other developers working on it. With their input and expertise we will have a 3D skin complete with working applications in the not too distant future."

The reason Nicholas refers to Project Looking Glass as a skin, and not an operating system, is because it is merely that--something that sits atop an operating system.

"At the moment Project Looking Glass is still in development, and so only runs on a computer using the Java Desktop System. We are currently shipping the developer's version with Java Desktop System and Solaris, and plan to have a working version available for Linux," he says.

The company has been showing its 3D desktop for some time. However, the developer release may indicate the project is coming to fruition.

"Our whole goal while developing Project Looking Glass is to give users an uncluttered workspace. We also want to give users the ability to easily manage their desktops. For example, with Project Looking Glass, at the touch of a button users are able to easily view all their open windows, so, instead of having to ALT-TAB through dozens of windows at a time, we developed a solution that lets users view them in a similar fashion to viewing files in a filing cabinet," Nicholas says.

they're just gonna be competing with the new Windows/Longhorn OS that's supposed to have a particular mode that much like "expos�" mode on a Mac, it organizes everything onscreen, but in a 3D interface kind of way.... read up on the sneak peeks at the new Microsoft OS.....definite competition with this one.

Except that it's Microsoft so we can safely assume a few things :

1) It'll never be completed on time

2) Once it is completed it'll be shipped full of bugs

3) Once it's shipped, they'll be a host of new service packs that will supposedly fix all the bugs

4) The service pack will be delayed

5) The service pack will have it's own set of security faults

6) Microsoft will annouce a new version of windows, promising to address all security risks and make us wait for another 2 years.

Heh. Open source will always win out in terms of quality...unfortunately it's a little bit like David vs Goliath -- even though in recent years Davids been getting a little bit stronger.

Still, competition yeilds superior products...or so i learnt in my economics classes. We shall see...

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Real Alternative worked for me (just liked Hookd-on-foniks did).

ditto..

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