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Posted by Ian Knowles on Oct-06-2004 15:37:

How 2 actually scratch the same as halliwell

Right, Lets hit the nail on the head with this subject. Eddie Halliwell is a really amazing DJ. He has allot of trick which he performs really well and he can really work a crowd and looks more than comfortable doing it.

On to the main issue. His scratching abilities to someone who is into dance sound amazing. However to a turntablist who likes their breaks he's nothing special. The fact that he's successfully crossed genres with his scratching abilities have earnt him a somewhat god like reputation.

To all the people into thier hip hop and breaks etc. The scratches he does are completely different in the sense that their is more work with the vinyl(however it is a very simple rythm to maintaine hence why he can do it for prolonged periods). The main thing behind the sratch is the chirping on the crossfader

B0000000B0000000 Represents the beat
1000111110001111 Represents the on/off on the fader @1/8th beat intervales)

The hand action on the vinyl is forward/backward*2 over each beat (This scratch is called a chirp)
To end the scratch have the deck turned off and the last beat on the scratch sequence use ur natural hand action moving forward and release the vinyl whilst smacking the croos fader over for that beat and then back into the original track for the start of the next section. This is in essence what halliwell does. The rest of his scratching comprises of little scribbles on the vinyl and fader. I have been lucky enough to witness halliwell on stage doing this many times. It is purely timing the crossfader which makes this work and this type of scratch only works well with tracks 140bpm or above.

I have given u an example below of how its done. The first half of the clip is me scratching and the second from Eddies bosh CD.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ianknowles007/example1.mp3
right click then save target as

It taken me ages to get this scratch right but when you do it becomes second nature. Want to scratch like halliwell - follow this guide and PRACTISE every chance u get.

Please feel free to post me feedback

Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-06-2004 16:13:

I think this is a great post and definately gets straight to the nitty gritty.

Speaking as a turntablist of old (real old) I remember how it was when I was trying to learn the major guys of the times scratches. I would have been real happy to see someone break it down like this.
Keep up the good work.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by Ian Knowles on Oct-06-2004 16:28:

Cheers chief,

I just put it up cos I get sick hearing this endless Halliwell debate of Good or Gimmick and HipHop V's Dance scratchin. Glad u appreciate it..

Ian

Posted by failsafe on Oct-06-2004 17:06:

nice post and the mp3 sample was great too.

Posted by auujay on Oct-06-2004 17:31:

That was fucking sick.
Great discription but that mp3 sample was awsome.

Posted by Ian Knowles on Oct-06-2004 17:37:

Cheers for the compliments but in all honesty it isnt that difficult to do its just co-ordination of a continous rythm at double the speed of track your playing on the vinyl and timing the cross fader right. I'll do a step by step mp3 of just the scratch on its own and how 2 develope it if anyone wants to know

Posted by starlabs on Oct-06-2004 18:30:

quote:
Originally posted by auujay
That was fucking sick.
Great discription but that mp3 sample was awsome.

+1

Very helpful!!!

Posted by failsafe on Oct-06-2004 19:10:

please do the step by step mp3. that would be sweet.

Posted by auujay on Oct-06-2004 20:38:

This is obviously a noob scratching question but what kind of sound do you use on the scratching record, or does it even matter.

Is it the standard sorta "Cshhh" sound.

Also a step by step mp3 would be cool.

Posted by Ken_Allen on Oct-06-2004 22:36:

I know a guy who does this...Micheal Conway

I'll cut it out and give a link in a min

Posted by Ken_Allen on Oct-06-2004 22:49:

http://www.8ballx.net/~bsd/live1conway.mp3

Posted by mndeg on Oct-06-2004 23:20:

mp3 from first page doesnt work oh yeha and definitely post some how-to's

Posted by cheesy on Oct-07-2004 01:04:

quote:
Originally posted by mndeg
mp3 from first page doesnt work oh yeha and definitely post some how-to's

Copy and paste the link to your browser, clicking it won't work because its hosted on Lycos.

Posted by starlabs on Oct-07-2004 01:05:

quote:
Originally posted by mndeg
mp3 from first page doesnt work oh yeha and definitely post some how-to's

It works, but Lycos doesn't allow referral links, so you'll have to copy and past the URL (link) directly into your browser's address bar...

Posted by ��|E on Oct-07-2004 11:52:

CHEERS!!!

thats was wiked and thanks for the write up, more of these the better!

Posted by JM-8 on Oct-07-2004 14:38:

hmm, I might try posting something up here as well. Never really done much practicing on top of a 140+ BPM beat.

Nice job with the example - the scratching in the second part of the sample was more in time with beat than the first.

Posted by Zild on Oct-08-2004 20:54:

thats because the scratching in the second part of the sample was halliwell himself he better have his own little scratch down on beat seeing as how basically all he does. cmon i need 3 click orbits at 140bpm

Posted by djdawn on Oct-09-2004 07:31:

very sexy samples. now let somebody say scratching and trance don't work!
but I will never get this down, that's for sure...

Posted by jizza on Oct-11-2004 04:47:

cheers ian, always nice to see someone share their knowledge.

...would it still work if i was to use the volume fader instead of the crossfader?

Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-11-2004 12:49:

quote:
Originally posted by jizza
cheers ian, always nice to see someone share their knowledge.

...would it still work if i was to use the volume fader instead of the crossfader?

Not really, you wouldn't get the right curve on the channel fader so it would not sound as crisp, not to mention that your fingers have to travel a further distance so you would loose speed. Hence it wouldn't sound as good.
You can still do cutting and stabs using the up faders.
I beat juggle with channel faders but that is on a battle mixer but they are much shorter and work better for this purpose.

On my A&H you can forget turntablism altogether.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by Ian Knowles on Oct-11-2004 14:38:

Yeah. He's write about not really being able to do it on the channel fader. I always use the cross fader for this scratch + It helps to have the curve of the fader really tight almost on/off. I h8 being in the clubs and people are expecting me 2 scratch with an Allen+Heath and they dont understand the values of a scratch mixer or mixers with an assignable CF curve

Posted by Ajay on Oct-11-2004 14:40:

sweet post m8 top stuff!

Posted by Redmondo on Oct-11-2004 21:36:

Ken..the link u put up of your mate michael is only savage...I'd be well into that and in my opinion that scratching sounds better than the Eddie Halliwell clip without a doubt ! !

Posted by Ian Knowles on Oct-11-2004 23:09:

Yeah I agree that Conway is good. But It doesnt have the same edge as halliwell. He needs 2 make more of a statement with his scratching and its quite hard doing that with Flairs(as Conway does) as apposed to chirps (As eddie does). Here's an example that I have run of using both types of scratching. U'll hear both conway & Halliwell elements

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ianknowles007/Scratchin.mp3
right click then save target as

Let me know your thoughts people

Ian Knowles Website

Posted by jizza on Oct-12-2004 01:36:

hmm i see on your website top ten you have alter ego at number 2, any clips of you scratchin over tech?

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