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Another Bush Terrorist Threat - I'VE F$CKING HAD IT!!!!!

I'm really fucking losing my cool here. I cannot fucking believe Bush. A new terrorist warning was just issued that Al Qaeda was coming to murder our children in schools. Funny how this is seemingly the only time we hear about Al Qaeda, when there's supposedly new "chatter" and terrorist threats aimed toward us in some way or fashion. Nevermind our pathetic little huntdown in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

Anyways, you really think this new terrorist warning is just a fucking coincidence when the polls showed a few weeks back that "security moms" were all freaked out about the Russian school killings? And here we have Bush, out of nowhere, telling us that Al Qaeda is comin' after your pre-schooler. Who's numbers are fallin' again? Strange that. Just curious, but why were there NO FUCKING WARNINGS 7 FUCKING WEEKS AGO WHEN THE RUSSIAN KILLINGS ACTUALLY HAPPENED? No no, they happen now, right before the election, right on the target swing votin' "security moms", right when his numbers are sinking, yet again:

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U.S. Alerts Schools About Terror Threat By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: October 7, 2004 Filed at 1:22 p.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Education Department has advised school leaders nationwide to watch for people spying on their buildings or buses to help detect any possibility of terrorism like the deadly school siege in Russia. The warning follows an analysis by the FBI and the Homeland Security Department of the siege that killed nearly 340 people, many of them students, in the city of Beslan last month. Advertisement ``The horror of this attack may have created significant anxiety in our own country among parents, students, faculty staff and other community members,'' Deputy Education Secretary Eugene Hickok said in a letter to schools and education groups. The safety advice is based on lessons learned from the Russia incident. But there is ``no specific information indicating that there is a terrorist threat to any schools or universities in the United States,'' Hickok said. Federal law enforcement officials also have encouraged local police to stay in contact with school officials and have encouraged reporting of suspicious activities, the letter says. In particular, schools were told to watch for activities that may be legitimate on their own -- but may suggest a heightened terrorist threat if many of them occur. Among those activities: -- Interest in obtaining site plans for schools, bus routes and attendance lists; -- Prolonged ``static surveillance'' by people disguised as panhandlers, shoe shiners, newspaper or flower vendors or street sweepers not previously seen in the area; -- Observations of security drills; -- People staring at or quickly looking away from employees or vehicles as they enter or leave parking areas; -- Foot surveillance of campuses involving individuals working together. The effort is the latest by the Education Department and other federal agencies to encourage school officials to maintain and practice a plan for responding to emergencies. After the terrorist takeover of the Russian school, President Bush asked his top advisers to review their strategies for dealing with hostage situations, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has said. The federal government is advising schools to take many steps to improve the security of their buildings. Those include installing locks for all doors and windows, having a single entry point into buildings and ensuring they can reach school bus drivers in an emergency. The Education Department sent its letter by e-mail Wednesday to school police, state school officers, school boards, groups representing principals and many other organizations. The Homeland Security Department also sent a bulletin Wednesday to federal, state and local emergency officials to provide fresh guidance based on the review of the school siege in Russia. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nat...tner=ALTAVISTA1

How many fucking times have these fucking douchebags released "terrorist threats" when Bush's numbers are sagging/sinking? What do you think are the probabilities of these continual, coincidental events occurring? I'm fucking sick to death of Bush politicizing these terrorist warnings! I bought the duct tape! I dug a hole in my back yard! I invested in a "safe room"! I bought a parachute and I fucking wear it everyday, just in case I happen to need to jump out of a building 10 stories or higher! I bought groceries and stocked up on supplies just in case of a terrorist attack! I look around at EVERYONE to see if I can notice someone "foreign", "European", or "Middle-Eastern"! I look REEEAL closely at those guys with turbins on their heads, as well as those women who wear those long thingies that cover up their hair - Christ I even call my local police department and the FBI on a weekly basis just to keep them abreast of all the suspicious fucking terrorist-looking people I see everyday!


I'm sick of the bullshit, Bush. You are a fucking disgrace for politicizing terrorism. It is a complete fucking disgrace to those people who died on 9/11, as well as a disgrace to their loved ones. You've disgraced our country and image long enough. I am no longer believing that you merely need to leave the office. I believe you need to be held fully accountable for deliberate distortions and misdeeds. I call "bullshit" on this threat Bush, yet again.

Jesus I need a beer.

Sometimes a pic says more than my profane mouth:

From ABC News, the alert is actually quite specific:

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School Plans, Security Information Gathered by Suspected Iraq Insurgent Focus Concern on Schools in Six States http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/...t_041007-1.html By Brian Ross Oct. 7, 2004 � Schools in six states in particular are being watched closely based on information uncovered by the U.S. military in Baghdad this summer, law enforcement and education officials told ABC News. A man described as an Iraqi insurgent involved in anti-coalition activities had downloaded school floor plans and safety and security information about elementary and high schools in the six states, according to officials. School officials in Fort Myers, Fla.; Salem, Ore.; Gray, Ga.; Birch Run, Mich.; two towns in New Jersey; and two towns in California have been told to increase security in light of the discovery. Officials in the New Jersey towns, Franklinville and Rumson, were notified by counterterrorism officials last month that their schools had been possibly singled out.

The liberals preach about open government. Now they've got it. The administration has information, they release it. Why? Because if anything were ever to happen, the first thing that people would want to know is "Why weren't we warned?!?!" And there would be a big-ass investigation from the Democrats on what the Republicans were keeping from the public.

A release like this really has no effect on the public unless it directly concerns them. The reason that the administration releases everything is because of the "gotcha" intelligence culture that the Democrats have created. Don't complain about being informed. You made your bed. Now f---ing sleep in it.

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Schools in six states in particular are being watched closely based on information uncovered by the U.S. military in Baghdad this summer, law enforcement and education officials told ABC News. A man described as an Iraqi insurgent involved in anti-coalition activities had downloaded school floor plans and safety and security information about elementary and high schools in the six states, according to officials. School officials in Fort Myers, Fla.; Salem, Ore.; Gray, Ga.; Birch Run, Mich.; two towns in New Jersey; and two towns in California have been told to increase security in light of the discovery. Officials in the New Jersey towns, Franklinville and Rumson, were notified by counterterrorism officials last month that their schools had been possibly singled out.

hook, line and sinker

sorry, i think opus is still on top of things with his timing arguement. feel free to discount me as a liberal peacenik kook for thinking that bush may possibly have had motives other than appeasing the democrats by warning us of impending doom.

perhaps for the sake of national security, the pentagon couldn't release said information until closer to the election... i mean after the facts were analyzed and all potential participating parties were found in their iraq/ al-qaeda meeting rooms.

this is the type of bullshit justification drivel that one should expect. give them something to chew on. what you won't hear is that this described anti-coalition terrorist may not have been a threat before the US invaded Iraq. Bush is doing a great job dealing with the enemies that he's creating. got us good and scared.

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A release like this really has no effect on the public unless it directly concerns them.

do you really believe this, or were you on a blind run?

OK

Question:

We, as tax payers, payed billions of dollars on home security system, they said no terrorist can come to this country, but why the fuck Bush say theres a terrorist attack comming soon?

Answer:

A, Money what they suppostu put into home security system dissapeard
B, Bush brought a new house for 450 million
C. He spent all the home security money to bail out his underage drunk girl again.

...
D. All of the above

hmm

Ahhh i havent thought about this

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Originally posted by imokruok From ABC News, the alert is actually quite specific: The liberals preach about open government. Now they've got it. The administration has information, they release it. Why? Because if anything were ever to happen, the first thing that people would want to know is "Why weren't we warned?!?!" And there would be a big-ass investigation from the Democrats on what the Republicans were keeping from the public. A release like this really has no effect on the public unless it directly concerns them. The reason that the administration releases everything is because of the "gotcha" intelligence culture that the Democrats have created. Don't complain about being informed. You made your bed. Now f---ing sleep in it.

Yeah, I caught that later. And I stand firm on my feelings on the matter here. I find it incredibly and exceedingly difficult to believe that a CD found in Iraq with school pics on it was just a "surprise" finding and indicated that they were going to target our schools and children. Specifically, and here's where my foil hat falls off, I think this is utter bullshit. I think there was either NO CD found, or that a CD was created and planted. I'm sorry, but the timing is just too fucking coincidental. Too much bullshit has bitchslapped Bush in the past week regarding Iraq and intelligence (along with his 1st debate).

I don't buy it. I'm sick to death of hearing this Administration cry "wolf". I'm done. Fuck 'em.

BUSTED MOTHERF$CKERS!!!

Sorry if I'm patting myself on the back a little on this, but I believe we got down to the bottom of the issue here and the whereabouts of this CD. It wasn't "planted", as I had suggested. Rather, it was from a guy who had connections to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq.

So IOW, it was either a dumb, overblown misunderstanding, or a deliberate, willful exaggeration. I tend to think it's the latter. I sure hope you scared those "security moms" enough, there dickhead. Nice going - yet another fine example of your fucking scare tactics, Bush:

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Disks found in Iraq show info on U.S. schools Friday, October 8, 2004 Posted: 11:29 AM EDT (1529 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military in Iraq has discovered two computer disks containing photographs, layouts and other material pertaining to American schools in six states, U.S. government officials said. The FBI is examining the materials, but a Department of Homeland Security official said the intelligence community determined there was no threat. The military retrieved the disks in Iraq within the last couple of months, and they were turned over to the FBI, one official said Thursday. "There is no threat associated with this," another government official said. The schools are in Fort Myers, Florida; Salem, Oregon; Jones County, Georgia; New Jersey; Michigan; and California. The Department of Homeland Security official said the material was associated with a person in Iraq, and it could not be established that this person had any ties to terrorism. He did have a connection to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq, the official said. Officials said that they are taking the matter seriously though there has been no specific threat related to the recovered material. The U.S. schools were notified in the last few weeks so they would be aware and could take any action they deemed necessary. "State and local law enforcement personnel have informed us of the need to increase our school security during this election season," said Jones County School Superintendent William Mathews Jr. in a letter sent last month to parents of students in the Middle Georgia community. "It is important to know that no threat of any type has been directed or is suspected against any Jones County school." The FBI sent an advisory to terrorism task forces across the nation to inform them about the material, a Department of Homeland Security official said. No public notification or other action associated with a heightened state of alert was taken, the official said, because it did not seem necessary to "elevate it to that level based on the assessment of the intelligence community." U.S. officials said they don't know how to explain why such material would be found on computer disks in Iraq. They said the information recovered is publicly available through the Internet or other means. The Department of Homeland Security official said the information included a Department of Education guide on how to plan for a crisis in schools. A senior government official said there is no indication anyone was on the ground casing the schools. One official said the retrieved information is "all of relatively recent vintage." Authorities said this information is not related to a bulletin that the FBI and Department of Homeland Security issued Wednesday to schools and law enforcement about school safety in the wake of the Beslan, Russia, massacre. A senior official said analysts are going over the information and are examining all possible scenarios. As the official put it, schools have been mentioned as possible terror targets in previous intercepted conversations between alleged operatives and in interrogations of detainees, but nothing has emerged recently. "There is no analysis by the intelligence community that the Iraqi information or Beslan information or any other information indicates there is any plot to attack a school in the United States," said Brian Roehrkasse, a Department of Homeland Security spokesman. CNN's Kelli Arena, Kevin Bohn and Jeanne Meserve contributed to this report. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/08/sc...iraq/index.html

SCARE first, ask questions later. Excellent analysis and response on intelligence.

Hmm, that CNN report seems to contrast heavily with this report on the source of the CD pics:

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"Iraqi insurgent captured in Baghdad last summer [who] had allegedly downloaded floor plans of elementary and high schools in Florida, Oregon, Georgia, New Jersey, Michigan and California." http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WA...ooltargets.html

And what's with 2/3 of these schools being located in swing states?

Opus, you aging, liberal, hippie, douche! Its all a plot by the liberals to destroy society! Liberals like us wanted an open government, thats why Bush was so multifaceted as to why we went to war with Iraq|

LOL,

So what exactly is your point here with this thread??
Are you trying to suggest that the Bush admin. is making all of this up for political purposes? You don't believe that terrorist could indeed be plotting to do the same thing here in the USA as they did in Russia? I'm suprised it hasn't already happened actually. You aren't some kind of conspiracy nut are you?

I believe we are not getting a lot of reports on the situation in Aphganistan because that is a military matter and releasing intel on that could undermine current military ops. You think only americans watch CNN??!

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Originally posted by tecnolover LOL, So what exactly is your point here with this thread?? Are you trying to suggest that the Bush admin. is making all of this up for political purposes? You don't believe that terrorist could indeed be plotting to do the same thing here in the USA as they did in Russia? I'm suprised it hasn't already happened actually. You aren't some kind of conspiracy nut are you? I believe we are not getting a lot of reports on the situation in Aphganistan because that is a military matter and releasing intel on that could undermine current military ops. You think only americans watch CNN??!

lol

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Originally posted by tecnolover LOL, So what exactly is your point here with this thread?? Are you trying to suggest that the Bush admin. is making all of this up for political purposes? You don't believe that terrorist could indeed be plotting to do the same thing here in the USA as they did in Russia? I'm suprised it hasn't already happened actually. You aren't some kind of conspiracy nut are you? I believe we are not getting a lot of reports on the situation in Aphganistan because that is a military matter and releasing intel on that could undermine current military ops. You think only americans watch CNN??!

The Bush Admin must love to see the Americans in fear,and it is working,it is like they control peoples feelings,they decide when you should be scared.
Thank god I dont live down there!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer The Bush Admin must love to see the Americans in fear,and it is working,it is like they control peoples feelings,they decide when you should be scared. Thank god I dont live down there!!

Personally, I would be fearful if I was living in Canada more so. The USA has a lot tighter security than Canada. Glad I don't have to live up there.

Good points Spacey. I acknowlege that. Well I think durring a controversial election like this one there is a lot going on behind the scenes. I believe the terrorist threat is real. The release of info could indeed be political also. I do not believe it is fabricated. In general, I believe that most stuff is kept from the public in all nations unless it is deemed important by that government to release. A kind of a 'need to know basis' type of thing. And often there is just a lot of stuff the public doesn't need to know about, because it may undermine objectives that are beneficial to that nation. This is the reality of life. However, as US citizens I know we are more informed by our government than 99/100 of the other nations are by their governments.

Btw-If I was to venture a guess I would say that most all of the nations including European get 99% of their news from U.S. sources.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange The point is not whether facts are made up. The point is that information is purposely released for political reasons. For instance, consider these school district disks. Someone discovered these disks. (Who knows where exactly in iraq and by whom.) Someone in the adminstration decided to disclose that these disks had been found. Why would they disclose this to the general public? What could be gained? Who would benefit? Who would not? What if they found a map of Los Angeles. Would they disclose that too? A map of New York City? (Or any other tourist destination.) My point, here, is that the US administration has discretion over what information it releases. Everyone must question why they exercise this discretion on some occasions and not others. On the surface, the release of this story seems very suspect. So the question should not be whether they made it up (in some cases they have) but why they released the information. There is difference.

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Originally posted by tecnolover Personally, I would be fearful if I was living in Canada more so. The USA has a lot tighter security than Canada. Glad I don't have to live up there.

Dont forget the terrorists are against America not Canada.

we dont need alot of security here because we are not hated around the world and we dont have enemies like you Americans.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Dont forget the terrorists are against America not Canada. we dont need alot of security here because we are not hated around the world and we dont have enemies like you Americans.

LOL! I hope you are not really serious??? If you believe that then you are a fool. No offense, but you need to seriously have a reality check, study or pay more attention to things that are going on in the world. Islamic extremists are against "Western culture" and christianity. Why do you think they attacked Spain, Russia, Indonesia, have plotted against France and numerous other European countries???? They are all 'Western'. Canada is also 'western' nation. I hope the majority of canadians are NOT as naive as you. Like it or not this is a global war and you guys are in it as much as we are. And no Bush didn't start this war. It is a fundamental part of Islam that we are the enemies.

Canada is as peaceful as sweden
when did you see a terrorist blowing up in Canada? majorly that is!
where do you see Canadian flag getting burned around the world?
where do you see Foreigners cursing Canada?

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Originally posted by tecnolover LOL! I hope you are not really serious??? If you believe that then you are a fool. No offense, but you need to seriously have a reality check, study or pay more attention to things that are going on in the world. Islamic extremists are against "Western culture" and christianity. Why do you think they attacked Spain, Russia, Indonesia, have plotted against France and numerous other European countries???? They are all 'Western'. Canada is also 'western' nation. I hope the majority of canadians are NOT as naive as you. Like it or not this is a global war and you guys are in it as much as we are. And no Bush didn't start this war. It is a fundamental part of Islam that we are the enemies.

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Originally posted by ZinG when did you see a terrorist blowing up in Canada? majorly that is! where do you see Canadian flag getting burned around the world? where do you see Foreigners cursing Canada?

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Originally posted by tecnolover LOL, So what exactly is your point here with this thread?? Are you trying to suggest that the Bush admin. is making all of this up for political purposes?

Did it look like I was merely "suggesting" anything? That is exactly what I am saying, and I'll demonstrate evidence below.

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You don't believe that terrorist could indeed be plotting to do the same thing here in the USA as they did in Russia?

Of course I believe they're plotting. However, evidence from the last few terrorist alerts clearly demonstrate a pattern not based on motives of protection, but on political maneuvering.

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I'm suprised it hasn't already happened actually.

To a certain extent, I agree. Considering how incredibly lackadaisical Bush has been on protecting the Homeland, everything from a lack of protection on the borders, the shores, nuclear and chemical plants, hell it's scary how easy a terrorist could attack us. But then again, an attack like an airplane-used-as-a-missile is highly unlikely to happen again with out current protection.

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You aren't some kind of conspiracy nut are you?

Of the worst kind, sir.

MUUHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA!!!!

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I believe we are not getting a lot of reports on the situation in Aphganistan because that is a military matter and releasing intel on that could undermine current military ops. You think only americans watch CNN??!

I see, so by that logic our media works not just to warn Americans of attacks, but to thwart terrorists from attacking us because we are showing their "attack" plans for all to see? You really think that the terrorists, after watching CNN reveal the terrorist alert for possible school attacks, walked around fuming in anger and yelled in Arabic,

"Dang! Foiled again!"

And you think I'm the conspiracy nut?


Here, munch on a few things here:

Remember the most recent terrorist warning, coincidentally right around the Democratic National Convention?:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0408/S00025.htm

Remember how credible people thought those were? Remember how our First Lady and one of her daughters was ACTUALLY at one of those buildings supposedly in target during the warning?

Remember Ashcroft comin' out and issuing warnings before checking with Ridge and Homeland Security? You ever check the polls around that time? Bush was kinda slippin':

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004May27.html


And, oh boy, remember all that fun hubub over duct tape? Well our President had clearly stated that, "we don't take a bunch of polls and focus groups to tell us what we ought to do." Yet strangely, that was exactly what they had done before issuing that duct tape scare:

http://www.hypocrites.com/article10462.html

But more specifically, check out the timing of it all:

http://www.funkspace.com/articles/orangealert.html

Or how 'bout that terrorist scare of bombing the casinos in Vegas?:

http://www.trinicenter.com/oops/29122003.html


Here's an article dating back over 2 yrs. ago from Brookings Institute, clearly demonstrating how well our Administration utilizes their tactics of spreading the fear across the media:

http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-e...er/20020523.htm


It's really not a far stretch to imagine our Administration politicizing terrorist alerts. Considering our President has recently politicized the major assaults on the Iraq:

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Major Assaults on Hold Until After U.S. Vote "When this election's over, you'll see us move very vigorously," said one senior administration official involved in strategic planning, speaking on condition of anonymity. "Once you're past the election, it changes the political ramifications" of a large-scale offensive, the official said. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...-home-headlines

you really think politicizing our terrorist alerts is that far of a stretch?

Place Your Bets - Anyone Wanna Bet Me on this New Alert?

Any takers?:

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Washington Ferries May Be Eyed for Attack By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 10:21 p.m. ET SEATTLE (AP) -- Federal authorities believe Washington state's ferry system has been under surveillance and could be a possible target for a terrorist attack, The Seattle Times reported Sunday. An FBI assessment determined that 19 suspicious incidents reported by law enforcement officers, ferry workers and passengers since the Sept. 11 attacks were highly likely or extremely likely to involve terrorist surveillance, the Times reported. ``We may well be the target of preoperational terrorist planning,'' said U.S. Attorney John McKay. McKay and other security officials said the assessment helped prompt new security requirements that began Saturday on the Washington ferries, the nation's largest ferry system. Suspicious incidents included individuals asking questions about ferry operations or taking photos of stairwells, car decks and workers, according to a document obtained by the Times. A man who is a subject of an FBI terrorism investigation allegedly was involved in three incidents: one two days after the 2001 attacks in which he allegedly videotaped an oil refinery, a bridge and Navy flight operations; another involving the videotaping of a ferry's car deck in September 2003; and a third the following day in which a ferry was videotaped as it was loaded and unloaded. Patrick Adams, Seattle FBI special agent in charge, said he does not think the man poses ``an immediate threat to anyone here in the Seattle area,'' but declined to elaborate. Edmund Kiley, chief of security for Washington State Ferries, said security is better than in past years. Thousands of cars are screened daily by explosives-detecting dogs, Kiley said, and more Washington State Patrol troopers are present. In late 1999, a terrorist plot was thwarted when an Algerian man with a car full of explosives was arrested in Port Angeles, Wash., as he left a ferry from British Columbia. Ahmed Ressam, who had trained at Osama bin Laden's terrorism camps in Afghanistan, was convicted of plotting a terrorist attack on Los Angeles International Airport during millennium celebrations. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nat...=print&position

Damn! I've been on that Port Angeles ferry before, eeeek.

I see how the releasing of threats does seem to fall on the times when Bush support drops and I definately agree that the media is being used to scare us into submission.Why would anyone want to attack a boat full of blue collar workers and retired old people?

This happened when Clinton was prez right?


I don't kow what to kame of all this, I really wish I could just trust the people who we pay to get all this information from us instead of running around blindly guessing which threats are real and which ones are spread for political gain, if only politics worked solely in the public interest, this "political gain" bullshit is what fucks upthis country.

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Originally posted by ZinG Canada is as peaceful as sweden when did you see a terrorist blowing up in Canada? majorly that is! where do you see Canadian flag getting burned around the world? where do you see Foreigners cursing Canada?

First let me just correct something I said on my last post, I said Indonesia was a 'western' nation. My mistake. It was attacked by terrorists but it is not a western culture. Indonesia has the largest muslim pop in the world. Now to comment on the above post.

Spain and many of these other nations who have been victims of Islamic terrorists were peaceful too. That didn't make them immunce to attacks did it?? IMO the more peaceful a nation you are the more vulnerable you are to an attack. and the more effective that terror is on the population. the perfect example is Spain. They fell apart after that attack. It was pitiful. The terrorists were victorious. Spain didn't have the backbone and courage to stand up against these bullies. I love Spain, been there twice on vacation and it's beautiful yet I'm so dissapointed in them these days. Did you see the US back down after sept 11??

My opinion- Pres. Bush is the strongest US president since FDR in 50's. Thats right. I believe he will go down in history as one of the greatest US presidents. Great presidents and leaders most often come out of catastrophe. FDR and with world war 2 and Pearl Harbor and the depression. Abraham Lincoln and slavery and civil war. Washington with the Revolutionary war, Madison and the war of 1812.
The best presidents were strong leaders who like Bush, had conviction and vision. These were also spiritually strong men with strong faith in God and christianity. Their actions or decisions weren't always the most popular but they stood their ground and later history shown that their actions shaped the future of their nation for the better.

enough said.

i feel cheap writing this:



only a true bush supporter would say that bush is the strongest US president since FDR in the 50s.

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