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E-Jay "Techno 2"

I've been into trance for a couple years, and recently, I just bought a music creation program called "Techno 2" by E-Jay. I figured it was a simple program and good for amateurs. The music I want to create is somewhere in the genres of hard trance/epic/hi-energy/euro progressive trance/progressive trance.Could someone give me a basic description of the each genre (BPM, distinctive sounds or instruments, etc.)?, so I will have a better idea of how to create the music that I want. Also, how would I create a song from each of these generes using this program? Descriptions of other electronic genres would also be helpful. Thanks, any help will be appreaciated.

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Its all up to how you arrange the samples. That will decide which genre..
But man.. eJay?? and the 2 version! This isnt something you will be famed with.. Its a good start though. You learn to arrange a song, not really create cuz all the samples are pre-made. But time will come when you know also how to create samples or sounds, then you can arrange them to your own work.
Consider buying FL Studio when you get bored of Techno eJay 2..

Cheers

PS
Listen to those genres you specified to learn about them..

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Originally posted by djyouth Its all up to how you arrange the samples. That will decide which genre.. But man.. eJay?? and the 2 version! This isnt something you will be famed with.. Its a good start though. You learn to arrange a song, not really create cuz all the samples are pre-made. But time will come when you know also how to create samples or sounds, then you can arrange them to your own work. Consider buying FL Studio when you get bored of Techno eJay 2.. Cheers PS Listen to those genres you specified to learn about them..

what he said.. dont worry man, you will learn

You know, for all the ejay bashing that goes on, I've never actually used it. All I really know about it is that you're restricted to the provided samples, or something like that, and you can only arrange things, but that's about it.

I think eventually I'd like to buy it, just to see what it's like.

ejay, isn't that just like a loop software? i've never seen it before but from what i've heard it's just based around queing loops that are provided. maybe a fun toy to impress your friends, but i doubt you'd be able to release anything.

Thanks

This information is really helping out, I've been looking for this type of info for a long time.Thank you. I was also wondering, if I were ever to produce anything when I get a more advanced program, when do I have the right to call myself a "DJ"? If I end up never earning the title of "DJ"----of which I would call myself "DJ Cobalt", then how does just "Cobalt87" sound?

producing and djing are two completely different things!!
so no!

well if you can push the play button of a cd player you could call yourself a dj.. though dj infront of your name is overrated imo

its not like britney is gonna call herself 'singer britney' so why should a dj putt in his name what he does.. should be kinda obvious


and wait.. you bought (!) ejay

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but i doubt you'd be able to release anything.

Wrong.. The samples are royality-free. That means you can do anything with them, except from selling them as samples.

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All I really know about it is that you're restricted to the provided samples

Wrong too.. You can import samples you've created yourself..

Guys. Dont tease this guy. Everyone has to start somewhere. I dont think you would have liked it if someone laughed at you cuz you dont know as much as all the others..

And Cobalt, Good luck.

When i read this tread i felt like "woa, everyone was born with all producing knowledge and cubase with all vstis"

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

well buying ejay isn't really a sign of serious intrest..

but you got a point. if you want to mess around with premade ellements etc. go ahead, have fun with ejay. if you want to make it all yourself read the sticks for info on programs etc.

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Originally posted by nec When i read this tread i felt like "woa, everyone was born with all producing knowledge and cubase with all vstis" What the fuck is wrong with you people?

They're post whores...

to answer this poor man's question.. go here for a basic explanation of the genres and a few other things..

http://www.tranceproduction.com/ind...id=16&Itemid=55

Also, the reason why you're getting a lot of eJay bashing is becuase eJay is for kids (basically) real producers use very little samples and compose/produce the synth sounds themselves using real synthesizers..

if you want to progress the music you do so you can actually call it "yours" read the "Read here before you post" sticky on the top of this forum

I started with eJay as well. It's a great tool for learning how music works, structures etc. but it's only a starter tool.

Some versions have drum machines and some sorth of synths as well so you can make original music with it as well. It's just that the synths are very simple and you're always restricted to the 140bpm base tempo.

Hey Nik, you could change the BPM remember?

120 -> 160.. yeah.

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Originally posted by Cloudburst Hey Nik, you could change the BPM remember? 120 -> 160.. yeah.

Yeah, but all the samples still had to be in 140bpm

i can't understand this hole e-jay thing...
someone has made small bank of loops and you just put them in a row..

so thats your tune now?

man.. it's better to make crappy OWN music .than this shit..

start with some freeware thing like buzz if you dont have enough money ...
like i did

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Originally posted by hardikaveri i can't understand this hole e-jay thing... someone has made small bank of loops and you just put them in a row.. so thats your tune now? man.. it's better to make crappy OWN music .than this shit.. start with some freeware thing like buzz if you dont have enough money ... like i did

Did it ever occur to you that eJay doesn't even try to be serious? It's just a simple program you use to have fun with, a bit like a game...

But no, we all have to be so goddamn serious here all the time

enough with the ejay bashing already.

pick up a copy of fl studio and start twiddling. the possibilities here are much much much more than you have with ejay because you can create your own loops and instruments. in ejay you are piecing together a song out of a bunch of utility loops.

euro trance - 140 to 145 bpm. very prominent kick and usually offbeat bassline and offbeat open hats. usually a detuned saw wave lead. you can create these in a VSTi such as reFX Vanguard. check out the demo to see if you like it. usually has a (cheesy) vocal hook. often has an acid line (which you can make in vanguard or something like muon tau which is free). this genre resembles some types of happy hardcore in the off bass and the tr-909 type snares. run a search on the internet for those. you will find them pretty quickly.

progressive trance - 130 to 140 bpm. typically slower than euro trance with longer, evolving kinds of leads. often a rolling kind of bassline but is predominantly lead and pad driven. you can create pretty thick lush pads using a combination of vanguard and lunoxix ravity. ravity does string orchestral sounds pretty well straight out of the box. layer them using chords to achieve various levels of saturated sound and fiddle with the auto pan in fruity and the stereo enhancer or buzz effect adaptor to make it a little more alive.

hard trance - similar to euro trance but much faster with a more cutting edge. typically 150 to 155 bpm. like euro trance its very much driven by a prominant lead riff and a harder kick and a rolling bassline. vanguard again can make do alot of this stuff.

okay you can choose to go either the hard and sometimes boring way or the easy but prolly more fun way.

the hard way would be to just get yourself a copy of reason/FL studio/cubase/logic and learn the hard way by trial and error. This can be boring as fuckin hell but it'll prolly get you faster to a stage when your tunes sound pretty good and as your own

the easy but longer way would be to just start playing around in ejay and go from there. It's the worst program ever made imho but it doesn't matter what I think. I started out there and when I used it I didn't think that about it so


wichever way you choose is really up to you so don't listen to much to the people here. Many users here tend to forget two things. We have all been newbies once and most important, it's not what you use it's how you use it (well at least to a certain extent )

just make shure you have fun all the way mate

who hasn't used e-jay sometimes????

but it's not a program to produce with really... but can be a great tool too learn with...

but as vizay said.. be sure you have fun all the way while learning

after half an hour I was finished with ejay, because I wanted something it didnt give me, so I switched over to fruity

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Originally posted by Sonicstyle after half an hour I was finished with ejay, because I wanted something it didnt give me, so I switched over to fruity

what creavity?

I wanted to do own loops and melodies, not just put the standard things, and ejay didnt give me that, so I looked for something better

thats exactly what i did too. although i didnt start with ejay. i started with magix music maker (which was free on a pc format cover disc). i wanted to record my own guitar hooks and wanted to wire up my effects setup to music maker but it wouldnt let me. so i got fruity and found out you could not only do that but import more VSTi effects. and make your own drum loops. and instruments. and im still finding out new stuff you can do with it now...music maker and ejay really do have quite severe limitations. i can definitely see how lots of people abandoned it after half an hour.

after a while i just dropped the guitar and started writing trance cuz i got so absorbed in producing backing tracks for guitar that i just dropped the guitar entirely and started completely producing my songs. even the virtual guitar stuff you can plug into fruity is awesome. its funny how many trance anthems also use the same chord progressions as the folk song, brown eyed girl. iguana, urban train, synaesthesia...i just write music on guitar now and transcribe it on fruity's piano roll. with fruity or reason you can see that on the piano roll. on ejay there is no piano roll. theres no way of getting a better understanding of music or writing your own. which is a shame. they could definitely expand it a little more to allow you to create your own basic loops.

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