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Posted by josh4 on Oct-12-2004 03:15:

hey europeans and silly germans

Below is a snipet from an Amerian show Family Guy: (Yes that is a talking dog, just ignore that part.)

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While it's obviously intended for comedic value, I wondered; Are they really like that in Germany? I heard that Russians refuse to admit defeat for the Afghanistan war.

Posted by imokruok on Oct-12-2004 03:38:

There is an element of truth to that clip, but it's not because they refuse to admit defeat. It's because the people actually did a really good job of cleansing their history of something terrible. Think of how many Germans were involved with the Nazi party, and how quickly the nation changed after defeat.

There are strict anti-Nazi laws today in Germany which can get you arrested merely for speaking fondly of the Hitler years. Yes, there are Germans who secretly still harbor positive sentiments for the Nazi party, and there is a small but vocal neo-Nazi movement. But the real reason for the way they act is because they don't want to remember those times, rather than refuse to admit defeat.

(Now...do I agree with the way that it's handled today? No. It's anathema to an American who strongly supports free speech. But it's not my country, and the Germans seem to support what has been done and how it has worked.)

Posted by trancaholic on Oct-12-2004 05:49:

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Originally posted by imokruok
But the real reason for the way they act is because they don't want to remember those times, rather than refuse to admit defeat.

Actually, in these days a new German film is drawing record crowds to the cinemas. It's called "Der Untergang" (roughly translated: "The End") and portrays the last 12 days with der F�hrer in his bunker. On danish TV I saw some interviews with people who had just seen it, and they all stated that it was important to remember the events of that period. One woman said that immediately after the war, the Germans felt like victims because an evil man had come along and led them astray, but that in the 70s and 80s the general perception changed to thinking that the Jews were the victims.

Posted by Dave Piazza on Oct-12-2004 07:54:

hey europeans and silly germans

nice title!

I thinks its about time we start picking on our european friends just as they have been pick on us the last couple of years....

Posted by George Smiley on Oct-12-2004 10:30:

Hi silly Americans!!!

Still think you won the Vietnam War?!

Posted by NYCTrancefan on Oct-12-2004 11:13:

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Originally posted by George Smiley
Hi silly Americans!!!

Still think you won the Vietnam War?!

Ouch I have to agree though if the Russians were defeated in Afghanistan, then we certainly were in Vietnam, what would make the "Untergang" situation any different for either, they both had to retreat and it wasn't for lack of effort in Vietnam that's for sure.

Posted by priveye03 on Oct-13-2004 15:55:

There isn't alot of truth to that...The Germans are extensivly taught to remember their history and to not make the mistakes of the past twice. In school they are taught the German history and all over Germany you can see signs spray-painted onto walls etc... saying Nazis Raus! (Nazis get out) There are many anti-facism marches etc. even though there is the occasional Neo-Nazi rally. It is pretty much a sin to call someone a nazi that is not a neo-nazi. People don't usually hang german flags outside their houses like in the U.S. for fear of being labelled a nazi. There are countless museams dedicated to the nazi times and the attrocities of those times and you can still go visit the concentration camps and SS prisons. Also, my german host brother was young once and saw a documentary on the nazi times. My host-father and him were outside raking leaves or something and the father told the son to go do something. The son quickly responded with "Ja Ja mein Herr." and was immediatly sent inside so the father could tell him how you can't do that and why. So no, it isn't pushed back where no one learns or hears about it.

The reason why it was cleansed so well is because the members of the nazi party burned documents and tried to get rid of any traces of what really happened (I think I understood what you said correctly).

But yes there are still some people that thought everything was better during nazi times and that generation is still alive, albeit that most of them are in retirment homes because they are like 80.

I thought the cartoon was pretty funny though. I love family guy!

Posted by NYGblue on Oct-14-2004 04:16:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Hi silly Americans!!!

Still think you won the Vietnam War?!

No but maybe bush does!

Posted by Ian on Oct-14-2004 05:09:

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Originally posted by NYGblue
No but maybe bush does!

he also claims victory in the papau new guinean civil war

That family guy clip I'm sure without even watching is from European Road Show..... love the 'british' accent of 'piss off ya grotty lil wanker' (Which I might remind u that over 50 million people don't sound like that in this country

back to the clip, i just love the

"ve vere on holiday"

Posted by priveye03 on Oct-14-2004 05:38:

Sie werden sich hinsetzen!
Sie werden ruhig sein!
Sie werden Deutschland nicht mehr beleidigen! (they got the word order a bit wrong on this one.)

Posted by Clovis on Oct-14-2004 08:33:

Shit is hilarious regardless.