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WTF is happening to Toronto??

We cant even support live theatre anymore.

Entertainment, tourism and clubs are all suffering. It's getting harder and harder for clubs to attract clientele. Tourists are obviously not coming anymore and theatre is shutting its doors. Downtown on a weekend night looks more like a scene from Juice than the vibrant club area of the 90s.

Toronto is also getting dirtier, there are more bums thatn ever (and this is not because the city is poorer its because we do nothing to enforce rules) and we have lost the reputation of being a safe clean place to come have fun.

Sars wasnt the reason it just sped up what was happening already. I wont say that the smoking law has anything to do with it (yet) but you have to admit that it was a very stupid thing to do to the tourism industry at a time when it needs a boost. (please dont turn this into another smoking debate thread as we have covered that to death)

Have we not learned from the experiences of US cities in the 70s? Or are Torontonians too arrogant to realize that urban decay can AND IS happening here?

I give Toronto about 10 years before it starts looking like a warzone similar to what cleveland, detroit and washington dc looks like unless we clean up or act now. Sadly socialist mayor miller who we are stuck with for at least 2 more years wont be much help.

Time to clean up the city, make the bums go indoors and use the shelters and help that is available already and clear up the traffic mess.

I MISS YOU TORONTO!

LOL sure u do!

hehehe

I know london was starting to go through this years ago but they took measures to stop that. Canary Wharf is a good example. Too bad our politicians blow hot air to get elected and then do nothing and then we vote them in again.

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Originally posted by halo20 I MISS YOU TORONTO!

TO-RON-TO misses you too Jon Jon!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Canary Wharf is a good example.

Interesting that you bring up Canary Wharf, the neo-Brixton. A friend of mine was mugged last week (in Canary Wharf) at knife point. The guy took his wallet, made him take all his money out of the cash machine, and then he foreced him to this apartment tied him down and then took his shit.

That is London.

LOL shitty!

Here in suburbia the same thing happened to someone down the street 2 weeks ago except they were taken to a cash machine at gun point. After that they let him go..no tie downs..

I guess toronto robbers arent as kinky as the brits LOL

Boourns

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Originally posted by halo20 Interesting that you bring up Canary Wharf, the neo-Brixton. A friend of mine was mugged last week (in Canary Wharf) at knife point.

Dood! When you're here in Toronto remind me to teach you r-jitsu - my own personal martial art. It will help you get out of situations like that.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 LOL shitty! Here in suburbia the same thing happened to someone down the street 2 weeks ago except they were taken to a cash machine at gun point. After that they let him go..no tie downs.. I guess toronto robbers arent as kinky as the brits LOL Boourns

When in that situation, just say NO and bite the bullet

"Give you my money?! F.U., I need it... pull the trigger, biatch!"

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Dood! When you're here in Toronto remind me to teach you r-jitsu - my own personal martial art. It will help you get out of situations like that.

rj, I've decided I'm not talking to you anymore after that terrifying phone call last week. lol

p.s margs, did you know that Roussy and Canie have a fucking apt on St.Claire?!?! lol

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb just say NO and bite the bullet

Good luck - all the "shaq-fu" in the world isn't going to help you if you do that...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 LOL sure u do! hehehe I know london was starting to go through this years ago but they took measures to stop that. Canary Wharf is a good example. Too bad our politicians blow hot air to get elected and then do nothing and then we vote them in again.

The only reason Canary Wharf ever thrived was because it was so much cheaper for the large banks to operate out their. There's no more room to build in central London (around Bank street), and London used to have laws in place as to how high you can build (although I think they've recently changed this to combat the moves to CW). Not to mention how expensive land in central London is. You take away the banks, and the place would be a hell-hole.

That being said, I used to work in CW and it screems yuppy from the moment you you climb the escalator in the tube station. Its a cool place to work, but I wouldn't want to live there. 10 years ago it hardly existed... the CW developers, who to the best of my knowledge were not affiliated with the city, got lucky when the contract for 1 Canada Square was signed. That essentially made CW what it is today.

-Your Mother

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Originally posted by halo20 p.s margs, did you know that Roussy and Canie have a fucking apt on St.Claire?!?! lol

yes, ray has already been there but i have not.

russy is a government worker now.

all the bramptonians have arrived, thats why this is happeneing.

live theatre in Toronto ISN'T just about Mirvish.

There are lots of quality shows going on in Toronto, and don't think it's some great tragedy that Hairspray is going to close earlier than planned.

Go see Waiting for Godot @ Soul Pepper.


those are my 2 cents on the theatre aspects.

but those are the huge shows. I agree with what you are saying but if the big shows cant produce crowds than it trickles down to the smaller events.

imo Toronto is getting nicer .Only complaint is the closing of Element Bar

nope..toronto as a city is hurting badly.

The clubscene thankfully is in a bit of an upswing venuewise anyways. Lets hope we can get the clientele to fill them.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 nope..toronto as a city is hurting badly. The clubscene thankfully is in a bit of an upswing venuewise anyways. Lets hope we can get the clientele to fill them.

I think his opinion is just as valid as yours.

sure it is...

but its well documented that we are in decay

here is an article i found that helps explain what I have also seen.

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Toronto slides off the A-list Now dirtier and more dangerous By JOHN DERRINGER -- For the Toronto Sun Last year, the city endured one if its worst summers in recent memory. SARS was at the heart of it, but I'm not so sure it would've been much better off had the nasty virus not swept the city. You see, things aren't a heckuva lot better this year. Ask anyone in the beer business, the restaurant/bar business, or just about any tourist-related enterprise. They may blame the weather (agreed, it has sucked), but our problems, I fear, run a lot deeper than that. There used to be two things about this city that made visitors (particularly those from the States) choose Toronto as a vacation or convention destination: It was safe and clean. Today, it is neither. Until the early '90s, Toronto was an oasis, a major city not yet infected with the urban decay so evident south of the border. Then, a funny thing happened. Actually, two funny things happened. Take Cleveland While Toronto started to show signs of big-city reality, many American cities started to clean up their acts. Take Cleveland. (There would have been a joke there 20 years ago, but it no longer applies). The city based an entire entertainment district around Jacobs Field, home of the Indians, and, along with other various urban renewal projects, dragged itself out of the quagmire it had inhabited for decades. New York City is another example of the change that has taken place in urban America. Although many are tempted to compare Toronto with New York, the comparisons are unwarranted and unfair. New York is, well, New York. And it's like nowhere else in the world. Twenty years ago, going to New York was like going to Beirut. You went to the Big Apple expecting to get mugged. If you got out with all your possessions, the trip was a success. All that changed with Rudolph Giuliani. He cleaned up the city through a crackdown on crime, including the most minor offences. Panhandling, burglary and loitering laws were strictly enforced, and the law-and-order campaign worked its way up the crime chain, to the point where the murder rate reached a 40-year low. It's a pretty simple but effective strategy. Prosecute the small crimes and the bigger ones will take care of themselves. The fact that New York has rebounded so well from the tragedy of 9/11 is a testament to Giuliani's principles. I never thought I'd say it, but I feel safer in Times Square than I do at Yonge and Dundas. Toronto Police are unable to enforce loitering and panhandling laws, and somehow our local politicians have put the rights of street people and petty criminals above the good of the city as a whole. The city core looks filthy, and with all due respect to the Downtown Business Association, the new Dundas Square has got "white elephant" written all over it. Anachronistic eyesore A once-bustling theatre business has hit hard times, our state-of-the-art-in-1989 stadium is an anachronistic eyesore, the formerly vital Molson Indy is on its last legs and with episodes like the Hummer shooting on the weekend, there is no feeling of personal safety downtown anymore. Toronto simply doesn't have the natural, architectural or cultural beauty necessary to get it through a time like this. Vancouver is more beautiful. Montreal has a deeper cultural and culinary life. What once separated Toronto from the rest of North America's cities no longer applies. We were the safest, cleanest big city on the continent, and we were a city on the rise. In 2004, Toronto's regarded universally as a city in decline. And until that decline is halted, expect a lot more summers like this one. .

the first thing the two french people told me when we arrived downtown, was "why are the streets empty?"

i always ask myself that question too..

2 answers i can think of are

Torontonians never do anything especially on weekends. Also people drive EVERYWHERE. Check the highways. Thats where everyone is.

Every sidewalk downtown should be full of people at any given time at least up until 10 or so. Thats what a world class city is all about.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i always ask myself that question too.. 2 answers i can think of are Torontonians never do anything especially on weekends. Also people drive EVERYWHERE. Check the highways. Thats where everyone is. Every sidewalk downtown should be full of people at any given time at least up until 10 or so. Thats what a world class city is all about.

When I was going back to Montreal, there was a very heavy traffic up to 300 Kms out of town!! insane!

does everyone has a cottage somewhere in the country or what??

Probably. Nobody does anything in the city...that's prob why it's so dead.

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Originally posted by halo20 I MISS YOU TORONTO!

i miss you spray-paint on Putney Bridge !

Toronto people like to sit around. And on weekends they like to sit around up north...

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