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Let The Battle Begin Tiesto VS. Armin Van Buuren

Okay , Now i know im gonna get some crap but i just wanted to gauge Tiesto to Armin Van Buuren.

In the last thread (LAST CHANCE: Armin/Markus Oct 9th - Who's For Sure In? LAST CHANCE)i thought that Tiesto's Peformance at Vision last month was much better than Armin Van Buuren's. The others in that thread mainly disagreed with me.Ive been loosely listening to trance for the past 6 years but have been obsessed the last year almost.My first cd ever was Trance Global Nation Volume 1 which i thought was awesome.

Just wanted to know what you guys all thought of Tiesto.(Master Dj or Super Sellout). Whatever your decision , Back it up with something. I think Tiesto has a much more diverse seletion as apposed to what ive heard from Van Burren.

Dont get me wrong , i went to Vision really looking forward to seeing him but i dont think he played much trance at all.My fav Djs besides tiesto right now are Johan Gielen and Ferry Corsten(Ferry's livesets are insane ).

It was quite simple.

Tiesto was not even attempting to mix. He had a vinyl on the right hand deck for the first 45 minutes of his set that he never took off, all he did was move the needle to the outside of the platter once every ten minutes or so. He would get the BPM matched on the tracks and then just push one track into the other, nto even attempting to match the beats up so there was galloping horses everywhere. I had the feeling that he was using the BPM counter on the mixer to get the right count and then just pushing to the next track. He played some songs I really liked, but I had to leave early because I could not stand the constant off-beat mixing.

I went in not expecting him to be some super stellar mixing god, but when the opener does a better job than the headliner in keeping the beat going steady, there is a major problem.

I have a friend who saw Tiesto in Ibiza in July and said it was amazing, so maybe he actually cared abotu doing his job there instead of just collecting a huge paycheck from a bunch of stupid americans, I don't know.

But I will never pay to see Tiesto again. I was not impressed at all, and I don't make enough money to waste it on a DJ whose set I left early because it made me ill. I have left early at other shows because I was tired, but never because it was a bad mix, only Tiesto gets that distinction.

I am not the world's biggest AVB fan, I like his stuff, and I have a good time during his sets, but I would pay to see Ferry or especially James Holden anyday over Tiesto or AVB.

Just my opinion.....

MrS

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Tiesto was not even attempting to mix. He had a vinyl on the right hand deck for the first 45 minutes of his set that he never took off, all he did was move the needle to the outside of the platter once every ten minutes or so. He would get the BPM matched on the tracks and then just push one track into the other, nto even attempting to match the beats up so there was galloping horses everywhere. I had the feeling that he was using the BPM counter on the mixer to get the right count and then just pushing to the next track. He played some songs I really liked, but I had to leave early because I could not stand the constant off-beat mixing. I am not the world's biggest AVB fan, I like his stuff, and I have a good time during his sets, but I would pay to see Ferry or especially James Holden anyday over Tiesto or AVB. Just my opinion..... MrS

I see, Maybe my ear just isnt trained enough yet ( only been to 2 clubs so far ) to hear the problems you heard or perhaps i was just too drunk. Never heard of James Holden , Ill have to give him a listen for sure. Have you seen Ferry in concert before?

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Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 I see, Maybe my ear just isnt trained enough yet ( only been to 2 clubs so far ) to hear the problems you heard or perhaps i was just too drunk. Never heard of James Holden , Ill have to give him a listen for sure. Have you seen Ferry in concert before?

I have seen Ferry the last 2 times he has been at Vision, and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

MrS

i have never seen Tiesto spin, so i can't really give a full opinion. based on what others have said about Tiestos performanace, and livesets of his that i have heard, i have never really cared to spend the $$$ to see him spin. i still love his older CDs (Magik 6, i'll never get sick of that one), and production-wise i think he is good. but when you just stand there and slam one song into the next, that is definitely not mixing.

Armin has been playing harder and harder each time he comes to Chicago, and the Chicago crowd just eats it up and begs for more. his set last weekend was very unlike his ASOT episodes. i thoroughly enjoy his track selection (except for that damn Puffy track, uggggh)... anyway, what makes him a good DJ? he interacts with the crowd, he is a super-friendly guy, he knows how to bring the energy levels up and down, and it's just obvious he's having a great time behind the decks. watching the DJ have as much fun as all his fans in the crowd can really add a positive vibe to the entire night, imo. oh, and he can beatmatch too. pretty amazing for a DJ! heh.

i always said Armin was my #1 trance DJ, but i think Ferry has taken over that position. his last 2 sets at Vision were just fuckin super awesome.

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Originally posted by l�cid except for that damn Puffy track, uggggh

his name is P. Diddy now...its a completely different personality.


i saw tiesto when he was at the HOB but missed his last set here. it was only like my second or third real show that i had been to since i wasnt 21, so it was hard for me to critique him. the energy level was pretty high in there and he seemed to do a good job mixing. but after seeing armin the past two times hes been in chicago, i would prefer to see armin. i guess its just hard for me to compare since i was still somewhat of a n00b when i saw tiesto.

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Originally posted by jonze234 his name is P. Diddy now...its a completely different personality.

lol, different name... same suckage.

Tiesto and Armin are two trains on the same track going to the same place.


1. Playing new music rather than what's the most popular/played by everyone
2. began creating his own tracks
3. become hugely popular
4. DJ sets become more repetitive (listen to one mix every six months and hear majority of the same tracks including most of his own work)
5. fans who created his base of fans become bored with hearing same music and leave for newer DJ.
6. DJ reinvents himself, but doesnt recapture what was
7. Persues new musical endevors like movie soundtracks and the like
8. slow fades away


Armin is about 2 years behind Tiesto, whom are both another two years behind PVD, whom are both 1 year behind Digweed, whom are 2 years behind Oakenfold whom is at #8 right now.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

I've got Ferry Fever

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Originally posted by l�cid i always said Armin was my #1 trance DJ, but i think Ferry has taken over that position. his last 2 sets at Vision were just fuckin super awesome.

I also am eager to see Ferry , Does anyone know if he is scheduled to come to Chitown soon? Any Date?

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Originally posted by mb2004 Tiesto and Armin are two trains on the same track going to the same place. 1. Playing new music rather than what's the most popular/played by everyone 2. began creating his own tracks 3. become hugely popular 4. DJ sets become more repetitive (listen to one mix every six months and hear majority of the same tracks including most of his own work) 5. fans who created his base of fans become bored with hearing same music and leave for newer DJ. 6. DJ reinvents himself, but doesnt recapture what was 7. Persues new musical endevors like movie soundtracks and the like 8. slow fades away Armin is about 2 years behind Tiesto, whom are both another two years behind PVD, whom are both 1 year behind Digweed, whom are 2 years behind Oakenfold whom is at #8 right now.

Well Said, Youve really thought this out havent you?
Just curious who you think is the best DJ today? Who's in front of AVB in your opinion?

i've only seen tiesto twice - once in dc at nation and then this past summer here at vision. i think that his past set at vision really blew - no mixing and basically just played hit after hit. no peaks, valleys or construction to the set at all. just not what i like in a dj.

armin has always impressed me with his track selection and his ability to constuct a set with a beginning, middle and end. his interaction with the crowd is the best i've seen and you can tell that he's extremely passionate about his job - i don't see that kind of passion with tiesto. i think that armin plays a little bit of everything in his sets - trance, prog, techno etc. i like the variety - i easily get bored with hearing just all trance. so - armin is my #1 trance dj - plus, he's as cute as shit!

Lucid---it is well thought out. I like Armin a lot. Seen all but one of his shows here. I purposly listened to no set of his since the date was announced only to find that a large portion of his set can be traced back to sets from the summer. He's stuck like the dj's I listed in the rut of having to play what people come out to hear him play, rather than go out and showcasing new good music. Tiesto was the same two years ago. So was PVD. Listen to one set of either and it's like a greatest hits cd.

There is no such thing as a best DJ. I just think that a DJ of Armin's level who has access to tons of new music shouldn't have to play the same songs all the time. There used to be a time when a DJ would come through and people would not be able to ID many tracks. Now guys can ID most of set.

Whats your dosage?

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Originally posted by ctprincess armin has always impressed me with his track selection and his ability to constuct a set with a beginning, middle and end. i like the variety - i easily get bored with hearing just all trance. so - armin is my #1 trance dj - plus, he's as cute as shit!

Do you guys usually roll or anything? Is that why you prefer peaks and valleys in an entire set? I personally have never tried any drugs except ganga(only twice).I usually just escort my lovely lady vodka into the parties. I like everthing but in my opinion every trance song has a peak and valley section in the individual song itself. I guess thats one of the main reasons i like trance in the first place.

I would suggest the "true" trance is something of a mathematical construct. Its a center point in a spectrum of music and very few tracks or DJs are dead on the point.

Its like a class where half the students got a "D" and the other half got a "B". The average grade was a "C", yet no one single person got a "C".

I usually go with my emotional reaction to the DJ. If he makes me want to dance until I'm sore.. it was trance. If it makes want to wear a fur-lined hat and a shit eating grin while I just sort of undulate at half or one quarter the BPM... it was house.

But, what the hell do I know? I'm just saying the divisions between the types seem quite fuzzy to me.

I like Tiesto's recorded stuff, but that's all I've heard of him. I know DJs can be really different live. But I'd have to agree that the energy coming from the DJ is important to the trance state of mind. AVB shook and grooved the whole show, so did Markus. Seeing them so into the music increases the depth that I get into the music. They were giving us something they themselves loved and that makes it a bit special to me.

Anyway, I suspect the ability to ID all the tracks is an artifact of the information age more than anything else. Hot new tracks explode across the internet rather than languish in some obscure record store until a resourceful DJ happens upon it.

Peace.

Re: Whats your dosage?

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Originally posted by XtremeNINja27 Do you guys usually roll or anything? Is that why you prefer peaks and valleys in an entire set? I personally have never tried any drugs except ganga(only twice).I usually just escort my lovely lady vodka into the parties. I like everthing but in my opinion every trance song has a peak and valley section in the individual song itself. I guess thats one of the main reasons i like trance in the first place.

i think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of the tranceaddicts do not need drugs to enjoy the music. the people that need drugs to enjoy it are the ones who are not that passionate about it in the first place.

personally i have experienced sets when i was super-f#$%^ked-outofmymind, as well as being stone-cold-sober, and it doesn't change my opinion of the music or the way a good set is constructed. no one wants to stand there and hear a bunch of songs mashed together in a way that doesn't make sense, playing hit after hit. the valleys and peaks that we experience are a construction of many songs put together in a way that almost tells a story. it's the soundtrack of our night and the DJ must feed off of the crowds' reaction to determine in what direction he will take his set.

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Originally posted by Zilax I usually go with my emotional reaction to the DJ. If he makes me want to dance until I'm sore.. it was trance. If it makes want to wear a fur-lined hat and a shit eating grin while I just sort of undulate at half or one quarter the BPM... it was house. But, what the hell do I know? I'm just saying the divisions between the types seem quite fuzzy to me. I like Tiesto's recorded stuff, but that's all I've heard of him. I know DJs can be really different live. But I'd have to agree that the energy coming from the DJ is important to the trance state of mind. AVB shook and grooved the whole show, so did Markus. Seeing them so into the music increases the depth that I get into the music. They were giving us something they themselves loved and that makes it a bit special to me. Anyway, I suspect the ability to ID all the tracks is an artifact of the information age more than anything else. Hot new tracks explode across the internet rather than languish in some obscure record store until a resourceful DJ happens upon it.

Zilax, very well said!

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Originally posted by l�cid personally i have experienced sets when i was super-f#$%^ked-outofmymind, as well as being stone-cold-sober, and it doesn't change my opinion of the music or the way a good set is constructed. no one wants to stand there and hear a bunch of songs mashed together in a way that doesn't make sense, playing hit after hit. the valleys and peaks that we experience are a construction of many songs put together in a way that almost tells a story. it's the soundtrack of our night and the DJ must feed off of the crowds' reaction to determine in what direction he will take his set.

exactly. i think armin is the master of trance dj's when it comes to telling a story. i was a little worried in may - his may set was hit after hit - no story, no nothing - most likely due to his plane issues.

but, on saturday he had 4+ hours to spin and you could tell that he wasn't just throwing records on. he played some trance, some techno and some tribal tracks and it didn't just sound like a mish-mash of tracks either. and i was pretty sober the entire night - only 4 drinks in 4 hours

only disappointment of the night - encore was burned with desire - he ended his may set with that same cheesy song!

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Originally posted by l�cid i think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of the tranceaddicts do not need drugs to enjoy the music. the people that need drugs to enjoy it are the ones who are not that passionate about it in the first place.

Couldnt agree more, just wondering where you guys stood since i never met any of you yet.

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Originally posted by mb2004 Armin is about 2 years behind Tiesto, whom are both another two years behind PVD, whom are both 1 year behind Digweed, whom are 2 years behind Oakenfold whom is at #8 right now.

perfect!! perfecto!! couldint have said better

download a live tiesto set from a club or event in europe and you will see why he is the number one dj in the world. he plays so different over there so much harder its unreal!

If you download a set 3 to 6 months later you'll get half the same songs to remember the last set by.

Also, don't you think a true #1 DJ would play "unreal" anywhere, rather than just in Europe?

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Originally posted by ctprincess only disappointment of the night - encore was burned with desire - he ended his may set with that same cheesy song!

I thought he closed with No one on Earth in may, and in Feb. he closed with Burned, either way both are kinda cheesey, but I enjoy both very much!!

I believe this thread originated based on their last sets in Chicago at Vision. If that is the case, this can be summed up in 3 words: Grey Goose Vodka. Tiesto played some good tracks, but he drank too much that night and was getting really sloppy at the end. That's the only time I've seen him so I can't judge overall, as I've heard some good sets recorded elsewhere. Armin was very good and I've gotta agree with the story method that a few other people have noted. I'm not sure why P. Diddy was part of the last story, but othwerwise it's in my opinion the best way to mix. I always like to mix and make CDs for those long hours at work where it starts off with maybe a calm Chicane song and somehow get to the so-called "boom boom boom" style of PVD by the middle. As for drugs, I used to be almost embarrassed to tell people that I liked a lot of EDM because of the perception by many people that say "oh, drugs and glowsticks." But then it's great when you play some songs for them and they're shocked by how good it is. Drinking is more than enough for me and apparently for Tiesto as well.

The best party I have been by far was Tiesto - House of Blues 2003 ! If someone recorded this you must listen to it! MASSIVE

That was f#ckin insane !!

That is what really pushed me into becoming a Tiesto whore and what ultimetly led to my major dispppointment with him at his last performace here. He programmed the 2003 set beautifully. The energy was amazing. He moved around within styles gracefully. He went from dirty sticky floors to some booty shakin chicago style house music. He just was dropin massive track after massive track. He was just having so much fun as were we !! He was so enguaged with the crowd it was heart warming! Everyone was jumping around and dancin; the floor felt like it was going to collapse !! I will remeber that night forever.


Paul Van Dyk in Chicago is f#ckin awesome too. He seems to really play good sh!t when he comes here. His last set here at sound-bar was awesome. I was dancin the whole night. I was just pissed at him for playing to much techno when I flew out to see him in NYC, I blame the raver crowd and the sh!tty weather



PVD and Tiesto are two DJ's that I hope will come back to the city soon.

Gotta love them all but Tiesto is better in my opinion. Saw him at Space once but Ferry is more into it woooo FERRY FERRY FERRY!

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