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Where do you guys normally start mixing? Im normally mixing the last 32 bass lines, with hard trance, and hard house. Do you mix little earlier. Plus im self taught so i have no one helping me its all by my self. Im mixing the very first beat on the vinyl at all times. But im listening to various artist who dont really mix the very first beat but further down the song. And 1 more thing, after its mixed and eq knobs are set. When do you cut off the second vinyl completly. My buddy who moved away would have the main vinyl just freshly mixed at 9 out of 10 and then had the second vinyl around 4, then slowly cut off the second one entirely and boosted up to 10. Any replies would be appreciated.

no hard rules...

I find the best thing to do is this: Every time you you spin a set, record it. Listen to it over and over. Make note of what sounds good and what doesn't. Repeat.

Re: no hard rules...

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Originally posted by Dzokayi I find the best thing to do is this: Every time you you spin a set, record it. Listen to it over and over. Make note of what sounds good and what doesn't. Repeat.

So true. This is definitly the way to go. You can try new things and hear how they sound.

There is no formula for mixing. The sooner you realize this and realize that every mix is different and learn to trust your instincts, the sooner your mixing will become cleaner.

I don't mind noob questions, but this one just sticks me. Know your tracks, know your mixer, know your skills, stop trying to forumlate things, or you'll never get good.

Thanks for the reply's. nrjizer your abosolutely right, guess there isn't a simple formula to do it just go with the music. Being self taught is hard *well for me at least*, Taught my self everything from releasing to pitch bending etc just from internet guides. And I come on here every once in awhile to understand some procedures. I have tons of respect to you guys helping noobs like me out. I appreciate it.

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Originally posted by bokus Thanks for the reply's. nrjizer your abosolutely right, guess there isn't a simple formula to do it just go with the music. Being self taught is hard *well for me at least*, Taught my self everything from releasing to pitch bending etc just from internet guides. And I come on here every once in awhile to understand some procedures. I have tons of respect to you guys helping noobs like me out. I appreciate it.

You're welcome.

There's one important thing to remember: you can read about it as much as you want, but you will only learn by practice. The more you do it, the better you get.

(p.s.: although some of us don't realize it, we were all noobs once... )

The best way to do it is to start recording your sets, every time you mix, even if you're just messing around for fun. Then carefully listen to every transition. Study what you didn't like about them.

If there's too much "oomph" to the transitions, try tweaking your lows, gains and volume faders. If there's too much "clashing," then you need to tweak your highs and mids.

But EQ and fader work is half the battle. Some tracks will fit together like a glove - some won't. Study your tracks, especially their first and last 2 minutes. How do they start? With just the high hats? Or does the kick start right from the beginning? When does the bass line come in? How do they end?

If you're not afraid of RealPlayer, go listen to the mix on Tyler Stadius' website, this guy can mix incredibly well.

i am also 100% self taught as far as djing is concerned, it is by far and away the best way to learn

and btw, even if you are scared of real player (like me) you can get the real alternative plugin for windows media player, also VERY handy for chemical records

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Originally posted by tu_face and btw, even if you are scared of real player (like me) you can get the real alternative plugin for windows media player, also VERY handy for chemical records

where? i checked the windows site and couldnt find it... although i admit it was a half assed attempt

It's a question of knowing your tunes and learning the structure of your tracks. A lot of trance is pretty much done the same way give or take a few bars and beats here and there.
Match your beats, learn how the track goes. Learn to see what's on the record and how to read it. Respect the phrases on the track, learn to use harmonic mixing, think outside the box and be creative don't limit yourself to just playing one track after another... all of those things are bits that will help make your mixing really good. But they don't come over night so you have to pay your dues and put in the work.

Bottom line, there is no formula except your own. And the more unlike other peoples that is the more likely you are to succeed.

Cheers
Nem

PS
I think chemical records have taken away the real player alternative.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Bottom line, there is no formula except your own. And the more unlike other peoples that is the more likely you are to succeed.

Very true.

There are so many dj's who try to copy someone's style (how many tiesto's do we have already...?) and never make it.

Ofcourse there are some basic rules for mixing, but you always have to give it your own twist.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 PS I think chemical records have taken away the real player alternative.

yeah, there was a link for it up on the chemical records site, but they took it down. it is a 3rd party plugin so you wont find it through microsoft.

you can however get it here:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download...Alternative.htm

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Originally posted by tu_face yeah, there was a link for it up on the chemical records site, but they took it down. it is a 3rd party plugin so you wont find it through microsoft. you can however get it here: http://www.free-codecs.com/download...Alternative.htm

Great link, thanks!!!

I'll just chime in with my 2 cents and agree with what's already been said. Up until a few months ago I was looking for an EQ formula that would work with everything and now realize that no such thing exists. You have to know your music, some tracks sound awesome gradually mixed in while others sound awesome dropped straight in. It all depends. One thing that I'm getting into that has made worlds of difference in my mixing satisfaction is harmonic mixing. Everything that I've mixed harmonically sounds worlds better than my mixes usually sound and has made mixing way more enjoyable.

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