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Kerry or Bush?

Hi!

this is not a discussion thread or something

its plain n easy, just vote who u would vote for.

me as a stupid german sucker just wants to know what the americans would do.

so lets start thisone... ...friendly !

Can i vote for Nader?

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Originally posted by Stassi Can i vote for Nader?

I voted for him in 2000! I may vote for him again..mainly because Kerry pretty much has NY locked up

what u mean with locked up`?

As moronic as it sounds - Bush lols

My reasoning?
Terrorist has successfully threaten smaller countries with execution of captives from their native countries and have had these countries remove their soldiers from the war. This is a victory for them.

If the people of America, choose to remove Bush from office, in a smaller sense, isn't that a victory to terrorist? They've successful persuaded the American People to elect a different President. I am not pro-war as I have a few good West Point Graduate friends currently occupying Iraq and Fallujah. I am aware of the Bush's stand point on America and the economy. I know Kerry poses the IDEAL CANDIDATE for America, but don't you think that will be the cause of another attack on our soil? Another test of the new presidents balls? Another reason for them to bring the war onto our homeland? I think our Economy and Rights will naturally heal itself. I believe that an attack on the USA by terrorist would detrimentally hurt the economy and the rights we all have anyways.

I'd let Bush occupy the office with the comfort of knowing that to the least degree he has already acted on it. If Kerry comes into office he might stablize the economy more and contribute to our homeland issues, but to me, that will never mean more then a human life. Together as a society we have to understand that, these homeland issues (abortion, human rights, economy...etc) they are cyclical. There will be solutions, help, rights granted, all of that. But in the time that we live right now, we face war. It's not on our soil but we live amongst it.

Rock the Vote please and be wise and keen to what is happening now as it will affect the future. I've lost a few people on 9/11, I don't need to worry about losing more. RIP 9/11.

everyone that has something to do witrh 911 votes bush, i dont get it... better said, they dont get it.

u need to remove the oil in a fire, not the heat...


btw. kid nyc how old are you?

Bush.

The issue of inheritance tax. As simple as that.

As pointless as it is to vote for him in NY, Im voting for Bush.

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Originally posted by Yan Bush. The issue of inheritance tax. As simple as that.

You're voting in a Presidential election for the first time in your life and you're basing your decision on the fact that Kerry says he might overturn the planned elimination of the inheritance tax? I hope you're kidding...

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss You're voting in a Presidential election for the first time in your life and you're basing your decision on the fact that Kerry says he might overturn the planned elimination of the inheritance tax? I hope you're kidding...

as long as you vote...it's the most imporant thing

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Originally posted by Bloodflower btw. kid nyc how old are you?

does it matter? I'm 12!






jk lols 23.

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss You're voting in a Presidential election for the first time in your life and you're basing your decision on the fact that Kerry says he might overturn the planned elimination of the inheritance tax? I hope you're kidding...

Nah. I heard other plans from Kerry.

hehehe best line/train of thought from either candidate during the debates.

bush saying essentially that if kerry fails in iraq, that iraq would be a safe haven for terrorists. hmm so what's going on in iraq now mister president? i guess u're really keeping them out at the moment

my vote's for kerry. two simple reasons. i don't feel safer than i did on 9/11, and the color-coded warning system is a joke

there IS an unintentional funniness about bush tho... hm

wow im scared what they all did to your heads that still such alot of you vote for bush...

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Originally posted by Bloodflower wow im scared what they all did to your heads that still such alot of you vote for bush...

Both candidates are equally horrible. Might as well nitpick at the little issues, then.

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Originally posted by Bloodflower wow im scared what they all did to your heads that still such alot of you vote for bush...

Because Kerry lies alot more than Bush. Kerry has lied more in 4 months than Bush has in 4 years.

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Originally posted by Vlad Because Kerry lies alot more than Bush. Kerry has lied more in 4 months than Bush has in 4 years.

A shame that they're both puppets, either way. The Dem's are just really aching to get back in office.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6307293/

haha how about that... /sigh, secretly signing a corporate tax cut into law

Bush is an asshole
Kerry is a pussy
neither of them are right for the job.
But in the amount of shit we are in right now, Kerry could only fuck things up more, but then again, so will Bush.
I say, Vote Arnie 2008!

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Originally posted by Bloodflower wow im scared what they all did to your heads that still such alot of you vote for bush...

I dont think switching a bad president for a worse one (a complete puppet) is good while we are at war.

so many valid points everyone is making - they are all good

i just like to think in the now. since 9/11 we haven't suffered any attacks on our soil which I think should be something that everyone is looking at. Whether seeing through the words during debate or what each campaign is striving for should even matter. the fact is that we can/will not tolerate any attacks on our soil. At the expense of our citizens by paying more tax dollars or sacrificing rights to abortion or opinions. We shouldn't nitpick the ideology that each side is representing and focus on the fact of living. Yes alot of people are talking about certain points that they object to, but how can anyone object to anything if they aren't living.

I'm pro-human life thats all...whether we suffer in poverty or succeed with happiness, the fact is we are alive. Remember there are people out there who have attacked our right to live, if we can't defend that and move to elect a leader focusing on quality of living then whats the point? Bush is preserving life by preventing attacks from happening. Kerry is focusing on quality of life, how can we attribute to quality of life if someone is out to take our lives from us.

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Originally posted by Bloodflower what u mean with locked up`?

our presidents aren't elected by the people but by a system of electors. every state has X amount of electors so if a candidate wins the popular vote in a particular state he/she gets all the electors -- it doesn't matter if a candidate wins by 1 vote or a million they get all the electors. first candidate to get 270 electoral votes wins.

since new york is heavily democratic, kerry is undoubtedly going to win the state's electors, hence he has our state "locked up." in new york (and other states that tilt heavily toward one party) you can vote for mickey mouse and it doesn't matter because the winner takes all.

on a side note, the number of people voting bush in this thread makes me glad new york isn't a swing state

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Originally posted by kid nyce so many valid points everyone is making - they are all good i just like to think in the now. since 9/11 we haven't suffered any attacks on our soil which I think should be something that everyone is looking at. Whether seeing through the words during debate or what each campaign is striving for should even matter. the fact is that we can/will not tolerate any attacks on our soil. At the expense of our citizens by paying more tax dollars or sacrificing rights to abortion or opinions. We shouldn't nitpick the ideology that each side is representing and focus on the fact of living. Yes alot of people are talking about certain points that they object to, but how can anyone object to anything if they aren't living. I'm pro-human life thats all...whether we suffer in poverty or succeed with happiness, the fact is we are alive. Remember there are people out there who have attacked our right to live, if we can't defend that and move to elect a leader focusing on quality of living then whats the point? Bush is preserving life by preventing attacks from happening. Kerry is focusing on quality of life, how can we attribute to quality of life if someone is out to take our lives from us.

Hes also not preserving life by sending innocent kids who signed up for the army so "the government pays for your school", but in reality all the people who have died in vain in a pointless war will never get the school funding they deserve cause they are dead.
This is a difficult election. But we need a good president, not a bad alternative to a bad president.

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Originally posted by Stassi Hes also not preserving life by sending innocent kids who signed up for the army so "the government pays for your school", but in reality all the people who have died in vain in a pointless war will never get the school funding they deserve cause they are dead. This is a difficult election. But we need a good president, not a bad alternative to a bad president.

Agreed as I stated in my first post its totally understandable as I have friends there now and I'm sure many people do. Again I'm not pro-war nor am I against it. And as hypocritcal as it sounds if the draft was re-instated i'd be the first to move to Canada (even though it has been said that Canada will also be elected into the draft) the fact of the matter is would you want the war here on our soil or there on their soil? For me personally, confining them on their soil makes our environment much less rough.

Think about it...
if we were the smaller power
how would you feel running through the city with people in turban's shooting AKs at you. Flipped over car's buildings on fire with helicopters flying over shooting missles and machine guns? Personally, I wouldn't take that shit as I would be armed myself but the fact of the matter is, the war could be HERE but its not, its over there on their soil.

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Originally posted by kid nyce so many valid points everyone is making - they are all good i just like to think in the now. since 9/11 we haven't suffered any attacks on our soil which I think should be something that everyone is looking at.

this reasoning is highly reductive; one can just as easily say that were never attacked on our soil prior to bush or that we were attacked because of the bush administration's intelligence failures.

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Remember there are people out there who have attacked our right to live, if we can't defend that and move to elect a leader focusing on quality of living then whats the point? Bush is preserving life by preventing attacks from happening.

if you think that we were attacked because people were "jealous of our freedom" then a refresher course in 20th century world history and political science is in order mate. there's a reason why planes are being flown into downtown manhattan (and not, say, downtown stockholm, oslo or manitoba) and it has nothing to do with jealousy.

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Kerry is focusing on quality of life, how can we attribute to quality of life if someone is out to take our lives from us.

kerry is hardly the one-dimentional caricature you portray. his campaign has focused serious attention to issues of national security and to imply that bush is the only capable of defense is to seriously shortchange a guy who knows a thing or two about the military -- the man was taking shrapnel up the ass while others were seeking deferments and doing coke and quaaludes with fratboys.

(and i'm not voting for kerry btw)

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